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Andre Rousseau

Can moving expenses be deducted as a legitimate business expense?

So my buddy is relocating to another state to become a co-owner of an insurance agency there. He's convinced he can write off pretty much all his moving costs as business expenses (application fees for the new house, hiring movers, literally anything related to the move). When I told him business expenses need to be directly tied to the business operations, he shot back with "how could it be any more directly related? I'm literally moving to run the business!" I'm pretty sure moving your personal household isn't considered a legitimate business/trade expense, but I don't know enough about tax rules to give him a solid explanation. Can someone with more tax knowledge explain whether he's right or wrong here, and why? I'd like to give him accurate info before he tries to claim all this on his taxes.

Zoe Stavros

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Your friend is unfortunately mistaken. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act suspended the moving expense deduction for tax years 2018 through 2025 for most taxpayers. The only exception is for active-duty military members moving due to military orders. Prior to 2018, you could deduct moving expenses if you met certain distance and time requirements, but even then, it was taken as an adjustment to income on your personal tax return, not as a business expense on Schedule C. If your friend is becoming an owner of an insurance agency (presumably as a partnership, LLC, or S-corp), he might be confusing this with business startup costs, which are a different category of expenses. Certain startup costs can be deducted or amortized, but personal moving expenses to relocate don't qualify as startup costs.

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Jamal Harris

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Thanks for the explanation. So even before 2018, moving expenses weren't considered business expenses? Are there any creative but legal ways he could deduct some of these costs, maybe as startup expenses like you mentioned?

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Zoe Stavros

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Even before 2018, moving expenses were considered personal deductions taken as an adjustment to income, not business expenses. They were never deductible on a business schedule. For startup costs, the IRS allows deducting expenses that are directly related to starting the business - things like market research, analyzing potential locations, advertising, employee training, legal and accounting fees. Personal moving expenses don't qualify because they're considered personal in nature, not business-related. Your friend needs to keep a clear separation between personal and business expenses, especially as a new business owner. Blurring these lines is exactly what can trigger IRS scrutiny.

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How long did it take to get results? Did you have to talk to a person or was it all automated? I'm moving my consulting business next month and trying to figure out what I can deduct.

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StarStrider

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Tax professional here. Your friend should be careful with this approach. The IRS specifically addresses this in Publication 535 (Business Expenses). While certain startup costs for a new business can be deductible, personal moving expenses are considered exactly that - personal. Even if the move is motivated by business reasons, the costs of physically relocating your household belongings, family, etc. are personal living expenses which are not deductible. What COULD be deductible: expenses directly related to moving business property and equipment, market research costs in the new location, costs of securing a business location, etc. What IS NOT deductible: costs of moving household goods, travel expenses for family members, house-hunting trips, temporary living expenses, closing costs on home purchase.

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This is exactly what I needed - thank you! So if he's primarily moving his household and family, those expenses aren't deductible even if the reason for the move is business-related. But if he's also moving actual business property, that portion could potentially be deductible?

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StarStrider

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That's correct. The expenses for moving actual business property (like specialized equipment, inventory, business furniture, etc.) to the new location could potentially qualify as legitimate business expenses. Those would be reported on the business tax return. The personal household moving expenses remain non-deductible regardless of the business motivation behind the move. This is a common area where business owners often blur the lines, but the IRS is quite clear on maintaining the distinction between personal and business expenses. Your friend should keep meticulous records and separate receipts for anything that might qualify as a legitimate business expense versus personal moving costs.

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When I started my insurance agency, I tried deducting moving expenses as business startup costs and got audited. The IRS disallowed all household moving expenses but did allow: - Cost of moving actual business equipment - Business setup costs in new location - Business licenses in new state - Professional fees related to establishing the business Learn from my expensive mistake - keep personal and business expenses completely separate!

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Sofia Torres

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Sorry you had to learn this the hard way. How did the audit go overall? Was it just a matter of paying the additional tax or were there penalties too?

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