< Back to IRS

Jade O'Malley

Can K1 losses from real estate syndications offset business income from my single member LLC?

So I've been investing in several real estate syndications over the past few years and they all do cost segregation studies to accelerate depreciation, which has been generating some decent paper losses on my K1s. I've got about $175,000 in these investments spread across 4 different partnerships. My main question is whether I can use these paper losses to offset the income from my consulting business, which is set up as a single member LLC. The business is doing well this year - on track to make around $95,000, and I'm trying to understand my tax planning options. I'm not sure if there are special rules about using passive losses from real estate investments to offset active business income, especially since my business is a single member LLC that's taxed as a sole proprietorship. Anyone know if this is allowed or if there are limitations I should be aware of?

This is a good question about offsetting different types of income. Generally speaking, losses from passive activities (like your syndicated real estate investments) can only offset income from other passive activities - not from active business income like your LLC. The IRS has what's called "passive activity loss rules" that specifically prevent using passive losses to offset active income. Your real estate syndication K1 losses are almost certainly considered passive, while your single member LLC income is active business income (assuming you're materially participating in the business). There is an exception for "real estate professionals" who spend more than 750 hours and more than half their working time in real property businesses, but from your description it sounds like your main gig is your consulting LLC, not real estate. The passive losses that can't be used in the current year aren't lost forever though - they get suspended and carried forward until you either have passive income to offset them against or you dispose of the entire passive activity.

0 coins

This makes sense but I'm confused about something - I've heard about the $25k special allowance for rental real estate. Does that apply in this case or is that something completely different?

0 coins

The $25,000 special allowance for rental real estate activities only applies if you "actively participate" in the rental activity, which typically means you have significant management decisions like approving tenants, setting rental terms, etc. For syndicated real estate investments where you're essentially a passive investor, you typically won't qualify for this exception because the syndication sponsor/general partner handles all the management aspects, not you as the limited partner. So unfortunately, that exception probably won't help in your situation.

0 coins

I was in a similar situation last year with passive losses from a few syndication deals and actively looked into this. I discovered this awesome AI tax assistant at https://taxr.ai that really helped me understand the passive loss limitations. I uploaded my K1s and my LLC tax info, and it immediately identified which losses could and couldn't be used to offset my business income. The tool explained how my syndication investments were considered passive activities under IRS rules, and showed me how those losses would carry forward. It also suggested some strategies for potentially using those losses in future years. Saved me from making a costly mistake on my return!

0 coins

How accurate is this tool? I'm always skeptical about AI tax tools because the rules around pass-through entities and passive losses are super complicated. Does it actually understand all the nuances between different types of income?

0 coins

Does it work with partnership income too? I have a similar situation but with multiple business entities - some partnerships and some single-member LLCs. Can it handle more complex scenarios?

0 coins

The accuracy has been impressive in my experience. It correctly identified which of my K1 losses were subject to passive activity limitations and which weren't. It even flagged a potential issue with at-risk limitations that my previous accountant had missed. It definitely handles partnership income too. I have a mix of Schedule C business income, K1s from partnerships, and some S-corp involvement. The system sorted through all of it and showed me which income streams could offset each other under tax rules. It also explained the material participation tests that determine whether income is active or passive.

0 coins

Following up on my question about that taxr.ai tool - I decided to try it out last week and it was actually really helpful for my situation! I uploaded my pile of K1s and business documents, and it clearly showed that my real estate syndication losses couldn't offset my active business income. But the really useful part was discovering that some of my other partnership income was actually considered passive, which I didn't realize. This meant I could use some of those real estate losses against that income! The tool even estimated how much of my passive losses would carry forward and how they might be used in future years. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with multiple income streams and entities.

0 coins

If you're having trouble getting clear answers about passive loss limitations, you might want to try contacting the IRS directly. I know, I know - getting through to them seems impossible these days. I spent HOURS on hold trying to get clarification on a similar issue with K1 losses. Then I found this service called Claimyr at https://claimyr.com that got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes instead of waiting for hours. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. The agent I spoke with walked me through exactly how passive losses from real estate investments are treated against different income types. Turns out my CPA had been applying the rules incorrectly for years!

0 coins

Wait, how does this actually work? The IRS phone system is notoriously awful. How can a third-party service magically get you through when millions of people can't get through directly?

0 coins

This sounds like BS honestly. Nothing gets you through to the IRS faster. I've tried everything and ended up just having to wait like everyone else. There's no secret back door or special number.

0 coins

It's not magic - the service basically automates the calling and waiting process using their technology. They call the IRS and navigate the menu systems, then wait on hold for you. When they reach an actual person, they connect the call to your phone. So you don't have to spend hours listening to hold music. I was skeptical too, but it actually works. The IRS doesn't give them special access - they're just handling the frustrating waiting part for you. I think they use multiple lines simultaneously which is something we can't do as individuals. I verified with the IRS agent that they were indeed an IRS employee answering official questions, not some third-party person.

0 coins

I have to admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I was still struggling to get answers about my K1 passive losses, so I reluctantly gave it a try last week. I'm shocked to say it actually worked! Got connected to an IRS tax law specialist in about 20 minutes who explained exactly how the passive loss limitations apply to my situation. Turns out I was accidentally using passive losses incorrectly on my previous returns. The agent explained that I could potentially qualify as a real estate professional because my property management business hours combined with my direct rental activities exceeded the 750-hour threshold. This might allow me to treat those losses as non-passive. Definitely worth the call - saved me from continuing to file incorrectly!

0 coins

One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that passive losses can offset capital gains from the sale of your passive investments. So if you decide to sell your interest in any of those syndications at a gain, your suspended passive losses could come in handy then. Also, don't forget that material participation rules have several tests. If you're spending 100+ hours on these real estate activities and that's as much or more than any other participant, you might qualify as materially participating, which could change how those losses are treated.

0 coins

Thanks for bringing this up! I hadn't considered the possibility of using these losses when I eventually exit the syndications. Do you know if there's any way to track how much suspended passive loss I have each year? Is there a specific form where this gets reported?

0 coins

Yes, you'll want to keep track of your suspended passive losses each year using Form 8582, "Passive Activity Loss Limitations." This form calculates your allowable passive losses for the current year and shows how much gets suspended for future use. The IRS doesn't provide a specific tracking form for suspended losses year to year, so it's important to keep your own records. I maintain a spreadsheet showing the suspended losses for each passive activity by year. When you eventually dispose of the activity, you'll need this history to claim all your suspended losses. Many tax software programs will track this for you if you use the same program each year, but I still recommend keeping your own records as a backup.

0 coins

Have you considered setting up a separate entity for your real estate investments? Sometimes restructuring how you hold these investments can impact how the passive loss rules apply. I did this last year and it opened up some planning opportunities.

0 coins

This could be dangerous advice without more details. Changing entity structures just to try to circumvent passive loss rules can potentially be seen as lacking economic substance. The IRS might consider it tax avoidance if the only purpose is to manipulate loss limitations.

0 coins

Just wanted to add another perspective on this - I've been through a similar situation with syndication losses and consulting income. One thing that really helped me was getting a clear understanding of the "grouping" rules under the passive activity regulations. Even if your real estate investments are passive, you might be able to group certain activities together if they form an "appropriate economic unit." This could potentially change how the material participation tests apply. For example, if you have any direct rental properties alongside your syndication investments, there might be grouping opportunities. Also, make sure you're not missing the "significant participation" test - if you spend between 100-500 hours on an activity, it might qualify as significant participation, which can convert passive income from other significant participation activities into non-passive income that your losses could offset. The key is documenting your time spent on any real estate activities. I started tracking my hours more carefully after realizing I was spending more time reviewing investment materials, attending investor calls, and doing due diligence than I thought. Every hour counts toward those material participation thresholds.

0 coins

IRS AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,087 users helped today