Can I write off Ponzi scheme investment losses on tax return?
I need some help figuring out if my dad can get a tax break after losing money in a Ponzi scheme. Back in 2021, my father's financial advisor talked him into putting $160,000 into what looked like a solid investment opportunity. Fast forward to this year, and the whole thing came crashing down when the SEC stepped in and revealed it was actually a massive Ponzi scheme. After the settlement, my dad only got back about $19,000 of his original investment. He's in his late 70s now and doesn't really understand all this tax stuff, so I'm trying to help him out. Can he claim the $141,000 loss on his tax return? And if so, what kind of documentation would he need to provide to the IRS to back up this claim? I've heard something about theft losses but I'm not sure if that applies here or how to go about it. Any advice would be super appreciated! My dad's on a fixed income these days and this hit him pretty hard financially.
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Ravi Malhotra
Your dad should definitely be able to claim this as a theft loss. The IRS has specific provisions for Ponzi scheme victims. Since this was declared a Ponzi scheme by the SEC, that makes the process more straightforward. He'll need to file Form 4684 (Casualties and Thefts) and likely Form 8949 for capital losses. Make sure you have documentation of the original investment, the SEC case information, and settlement details showing how much he recovered. Unlike regular capital losses that are limited to $3,000 per year against ordinary income, qualified theft losses from Ponzi schemes are often treated more favorably. Since this happened in 2021, he should be able to carry back the loss to previous tax years or carry it forward, potentially generating refunds from prior years' taxes.
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Isabella Costa
•This is super helpful, thank you! I wasn't aware of Form 4684. Do you know if he would be able to amend his 2021 tax return to claim this loss, or would it have to be claimed in the year the SEC settlement was finalized (which was just a few months ago in 2025)? Also, how far back can he carry these losses?
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Ravi Malhotra
•He should claim the loss in the year of discovery, which would be when the SEC declared it a Ponzi scheme, not when he made the investment. If that happened in 2025, this would go on his 2025 return. For Ponzi schemes specifically, he can carry back theft losses up to 3 years and then carry forward any remaining losses for up to 20 years. This is much more generous than normal capital losses. If the discovery was actually in a previous year and he hasn't claimed it yet, you might need to file amended returns. I'd recommend working with a tax professional who has experience with investment fraud cases since timing is critical for maximizing the tax benefits.
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Freya Christensen
I went through something similar with my mom last year and used https://taxr.ai to help sort through all the documentation. The SEC settlement paperwork was super confusing, and my mom had basically given up on trying to recover anything tax-wise. Their system analyzed all the documents (SEC filings, original investment paperwork, bank statements) and actually identified exactly how to classify the loss properly. It saved us from miscategorizing it as a capital loss when it qualified as a theft loss with better tax treatment. They even generated the completed form attachments for her return.
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Omar Farouk
•Interesting! Did it help determine when the loss should be claimed? My brother is dealing with something similar but we're not sure if he should claim it the year the scheme collapsed or when the court case was finally settled. There was like a 2-year gap between those.
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Chloe Davis
•I'm skeptical about these online services... wouldn't a real CPA be better for something this complicated? My friend lost money in that Madoff thing years ago and said it took a specialized attorney to sort everything out.
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Freya Christensen
•For your timing question, it helped identify that we needed to claim it in the year the SEC officially designated it as a fraud, not when she invested or when the final settlement payments came through. There's specific IRS guidance on this and the system flagged the exact ruling that applied to our situation. Regarding using a real CPA, we actually did both. The service organized all our documentation and identified the specific tax provisions that applied, then we took that to our CPA who was impressed with how thoroughly everything was prepared. It saved him time (and saved us money) since most of the research was already done. Many CPAs don't handle Ponzi scheme cases regularly, so having the specific IRS references was really helpful.
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Omar Farouk
I tried https://taxr.ai after reading about it here, and it really helped with my brother's situation. We had a similar Ponzi scheme loss but with way more complicated documentation because the investments were spread across multiple entities. Their document analysis identified that part of his loss qualified as a theft loss and part needed to be treated as a capital loss due to how the investments were structured. This was something our regular tax preparer had completely missed. It ended up saving him almost $30k in taxes through proper classification and by identifying which previous tax years he could carry back the losses to. Just wanted to share since this thread helped me find a solution that actually worked!
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AstroAlpha
Has anyone tried calling the IRS directly about Ponzi scheme losses? I've been trying to get clarification for weeks and can't get through to anyone who knows what they're talking about. Just get transferred around until someone hangs up on me. I found https://claimyr.com and their video explanation at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - they claim they can get you connected to an actual IRS agent without the endless hold times. Has anyone used this for complicated tax questions like Ponzi scheme losses?
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Diego Chavez
•How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously terrible. I tried calling about my mom's identity theft issue and waited 2+ hours before getting disconnected.
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Anastasia Smirnova
•Sounds too good to be true honestly. The IRS is basically unreachable by phone these days. And even if you do get through, most agents won't know the specifics about something as complex as Ponzi scheme tax treatment.
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AstroAlpha
•It's a service that navigates the IRS phone system for you. They call the IRS, wait on hold, and then connect you once they reach a live agent. I was skeptical too, but their video shows the process. The way they explained it, they use technology to navigate the phone trees and stay on hold instead of you doing it. They don't claim the agents will know everything, but at least you can get to a human without wasting hours. For specific questions like Ponzi schemes, you'd still need to ask for the right department once connected.
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Anastasia Smirnova
I actually tried Claimyr last week after seeing it mentioned here. I was trying to get clarification on how to document a Ponzi scheme loss since my situation had some unusual elements (part investment, part loan to the fraudster). I was connected to an actual IRS agent in about 20 minutes, which honestly shocked me after my previous attempts. The agent transferred me to someone in their investment loss department who walked me through exactly what documentation I needed and confirmed that I could deduct the full amount as a theft loss rather than a capital loss. I was absolutely prepared to come back here and call BS if it didn't work, but it actually saved me hours of frustration. Just make sure you have your specific questions ready when they connect you.
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Sean O'Brien
Just a heads up, my accountant advised me that there's a specific IRS Revenue Procedure (2009-20) for Ponzi schemes. It creates a "safe harbor" rule that can make the loss deduction more straightforward if your situation qualifies. Basically lets you claim 95% of your net investment as a theft loss in the year of discovery without having to wait for the final resolution of all recovery efforts.
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Isabella Costa
•Is that still in effect for 2025 filing? I've been reading so many conflicting things about how the 2017 tax law changes affected theft loss deductions.
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Sean O'Brien
•Yes, the safe harbor procedure is still available, but there's a complication with the 2017 tax law (TCJA). That law limited personal theft losses to those attributable to federally declared disasters through 2025. HOWEVER, the IRS clarified that investment theft losses like Ponzi schemes are still deductible because they're considered to occur in a "transaction entered into for profit" rather than personal theft losses. So your dad should still be able to use the safe harbor under Revenue Procedure 2009-20. Just make sure whoever prepares the return is familiar with these provisions. Many tax preparers aren't experienced with these specialized situations and might incorrectly tell you the deduction isn't available anymore.
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Zara Shah
Another thing to consider: if your dad itemizes deductions, he may need to reduce the theft loss by 10% of his AGI and $100. But if he can claim it as an investment theft loss on Schedule A (instead of a capital loss), he won't be limited to the $3,000 annual deduction limit for capital losses.
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Luca Bianchi
•I don't think that's right anymore. The 10% AGI floor was for casualty losses. Ponzi schemes qualify for a different treatment. My father-in-law went through this in 2023 and was able to deduct the full amount without the AGI limitation.
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Zoe Stavros
Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like your dad has a solid case for claiming this as a theft loss. The key points I'm seeing are: 1. Make sure you have all the SEC documentation proving it was officially declared a Ponzi scheme 2. Use Form 4684 and possibly Form 8949 as mentioned by Ravi 3. The timing matters - claim it in the year the SEC declared it fraudulent, not when he invested 4. Revenue Procedure 2009-20 could be your best friend here - lets you deduct 95% of the loss right away Given that your dad is on a fixed income and this hit him so hard financially, I'd really recommend getting professional help to make sure you maximize the tax benefits. Whether that's a CPA experienced with investment fraud or one of those document analysis services people mentioned, the potential tax savings could be substantial. Also document EVERYTHING - bank statements, original investment paperwork, SEC filings, settlement details. The IRS will want a clear paper trail showing the original investment amount and what was recovered. Hope your dad can get some financial relief from this terrible situation!
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Andre Lefebvre
•This is such a comprehensive summary, thank you Zoe! I'm saving this comment to reference when I help my dad with his paperwork. One quick question - you mentioned Revenue Procedure 2009-20 lets you deduct 95% of the loss right away. Does that mean he can't claim the full $141,000 loss, or is the 95% rule just about timing (like not having to wait for final settlement amounts)? I want to make sure we're not leaving money on the table if there's a way to eventually claim the full amount.
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