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Yara Assad

IRS says my deceased father's unpaid tax bill could be covered by unfiled returns - can I still claim them?

I'm dealing with a messy situation with my father's estate and hoping someone can help. My dad passed away in December 2022 and I've been trying to settle his tax affairs for the past year and a half. I filed his final 1040 for 2022 in early 2023 with all the estate forms. There was actually a refund due, but it never showed up. After waiting several months, I made an in-person appointment at the IRS office last summer to figure out what happened. That's when the bombshell dropped - they told me my dad hadn't filed his 2019 taxes and there was an outstanding balance from that year. Apparently, that's why they were holding the 2022 refund. A few months later, I received a notice showing the 2019 balance plus interest (around $3,800 total now). The estate doesn't have liquid funds to cover this. I made another IRS appointment last month, and it got even more confusing. The agent said my dad HAD filed 2019 taxes initially, but the IRS later discovered unreported income and assessed additional tax. They sent a notice about this in October 2022, which he probably never saw since he died shortly after. Here's where it gets interesting - the agent also discovered my dad never filed for 2020 or 2021, and based on the income information they have, he would have been owed refunds totaling around $8,500 for those years - more than double what he owes for 2019! But the agent said I'm out of luck because there's only a 3-year window to claim refunds. She suggested I could still file the missing returns and then appeal, but meanwhile, that 2019 balance keeps accruing interest. Can anyone advise me on how to handle this? Is there any way to get the IRS to apply those potential refunds to the outstanding balance, even though we're outside the 3-year window?

Olivia Clark

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This is actually a situation where you have more options than the IRS agent suggested. When dealing with a deceased taxpayer's unfiled returns, there are special provisions that can help. First, you should absolutely file those unfiled returns for 2020 and 2021, even if they're technically past the refund statute of limitations. The reason is that while the IRS generally won't issue refund checks after the 3-year window closes, they CAN still apply overpayments to outstanding tax debts - even those from other tax years. This process is called "offset" and it works differently than direct refunds. When you file those returns showing overpayments, request in writing that the IRS apply those amounts to the 2019 outstanding balance instead of issuing refunds. Additionally, you should look into filing Form 843 (Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement) to request abatement of the interest that's accrued since your father's death, especially since you never received the original notice before interest started accumulating. Death of a taxpayer is considered reasonable cause in many cases. And finally, consider requesting Currently Not Collectible status for the account while this gets sorted out, which would pause collection activities and stop additional penalties from accruing.

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Thanks for this detailed answer. Question - when filing those old returns (2020-2021), do I use the "regular" 1040 forms for those tax years, or is there a special form since he's deceased? And for the Form 843 you mentioned - what exactly should I write as the reason for abatement? Just that he passed away before receiving the notice?

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Olivia Clark

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For the old returns, you'll use the regular 1040 forms for each specific tax year (use the 2020 form for 2020, etc.). Just make sure to write "DECEASED" at the top of each return along with your father's date of death. You'll also need to sign as the personal representative - write "Personal Representative for the Estate of [Father's Name]" in the signature area. For Form 843, you'll want to cite both the death as reasonable cause and the fact that notices were sent after his death as reasons for abatement. Specifically mention that neither the decedent nor the estate had the opportunity to address the tax issue in a timely manner because the notices were never received by someone who could act on them. Include a copy of the death certificate with your submission.

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Malik Jenkins

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Don't forget to see if your father's situation qualifies for First Time Penalty Abatement! If he had a clean compliance history (filed and paid on time) for the three years before 2019, you might be able to get the penalties removed entirely. This would at least reduce the overall amount owed. You'd need to call the IRS and specifically ask for "First Time Penalty Abatement" for the unfiled return. The interest would still apply, but removing penalties could significantly reduce the total.

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Yara Assad

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That's a great suggestion I hadn't considered. My dad was always pretty diligent about filing on time before he got sick, so he probably would qualify. Do I need to file a specific form for this abatement request or just call and ask for it?

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Malik Jenkins

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You don't need a specific form for First Time Penalty Abatement. The easiest approach is to call the IRS directly and make a verbal request. Make sure to specifically use the phrase "First Time Penalty Abatement" when speaking with the representative. If you prefer to request it in writing, you can submit a penalty abatement letter that clearly states you're requesting First Time Penalty Abatement. Include your father's name, SSN, the specific tax year (2019), and a statement confirming that he had a history of compliance for the three prior years. Attach a copy of the death certificate as well.

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Just a heads up - I'd recommend filing those unfiled returns ASAP. Even though the 3-year refund window might have passed, there's actually no statute of limitations for the IRS to ASSESS taxes if returns were never filed. So better to file them showing refunds owed than risk the IRS creating Substitute for Returns (SFRs) that might not include all deductions and credits he was entitled to.

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Eduardo Silva

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This is so true. My brother never filed his 2017 taxes and the IRS created a substitute return for him in 2022 that assessed over $12,000 in taxes because they only counted income and NONE of his deductions or credits. He would have actually been due a refund if he'd filed properly. Don't wait!

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