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Yuki Sato

Can I qualify for QBI deduction with a single rental property that's fully managed by a management company?

So I'm in my first year of being a landlord and the tax situation is way more frustrating than I anticipated. I converted my previous primary residence into a rental last year and hired a property management company to handle literally everything - tenant screening, rent collection, maintenance calls, the works. Here's my situation - I have zero interaction with the tenants. The management company handles all maintenance, turnover, leasing, etc. They just send me monthly statements and deposits. Whenever there's a major repair needed (like when the water heater died last month), they consult with me before proceeding, but that's about it. I've been researching the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction and it seems like there's a ton of conflicting information about whether rental properties qualify or not. Some sources say you need multiple properties to be considered a "business" while others say even a single property can qualify if you're treating it as a business. Would I qualify for the QBI deduction in this scenario, or should I just forget about it? I'm tempted to just play it safe and not claim it, but I don't want to leave money on the table either if I legitimately qualify. The property brings in about $2,350/month in rent, and I'm paying the management company 8% plus fees for new tenant placement.

Carmen Flores

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You're right that there's been a lot of confusion around QBI and rental properties! The good news is that the IRS has provided some clarity since the deduction was first introduced. For a rental property to qualify for the QBI deduction, it generally needs to rise to the level of a "trade or business" under tax code section 162. The IRS created a safe harbor (Revenue Procedure 2019-38) specifically for rental real estate enterprises. Even a single property can qualify if you meet certain requirements: 1. You maintain separate books and records for the rental activity 2. You perform 250+ hours of "rental services" annually (this is where your situation gets tricky) 3. You keep contemporaneous records of these services Here's where the property management complicates things - those 250 hours can include time spent by you OR your agents/employees (including property managers), but you need documentation of their time. The activities can include maintenance, repairs, collecting rent, screening tenants, and daily operation. Even if you don't meet the safe harbor requirements, you might still qualify based on facts and circumstances. Some tax professionals believe a rental managed like a business (separate bank accounts, proper documentation, profit motive) can qualify even without meeting the safe harbor.

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Yuki Sato

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This is really helpful, thanks! I didn't know about the 250 hour requirement. Do I need to specifically ask my property management company to document their hours spent managing my property? They don't currently itemize their time in the monthly statements. Also, would the tenant placement count toward those hours? The management company spent quite a bit of time finding and screening tenants when I first rented out the house.

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Carmen Flores

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Yes, you should definitely request time documentation from your property management company. Most good management companies can provide this information if you tell them it's for tax purposes. The hours don't need to be itemized on each monthly statement, but you need some kind of contemporaneous documentation showing the activities and time spent. Tenant placement absolutely counts toward those 250 hours! All the time spent advertising the property, showing it to prospective tenants, conducting background checks, preparing leases, etc. counts as "rental services" under the safe harbor rules. Make sure to get documentation of those hours spent as well.

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Andre Dubois

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I went through a similar situation last year with my rental property. After tons of research, I ended up using https://taxr.ai to analyze my property management statements and extract the qualifying activities. They have this cool feature where they can review your management company statements and identify which activities would count toward the 250-hour requirement for QBI. What I really liked is that they flagged several activities my property manager was doing that I hadn't realized qualified as "rental services" under the IRS safe harbor. They even helped me format the documentation in a way that would satisfy IRS requirements if I ever got audited. Saved me a ton of time trying to figure out if I qualified or not.

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CyberSamurai

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That sounds interesting, but how exactly does the tool determine what counts as qualifying activities? My property management company just sends me a single-page statement each month with the rental income minus their fees and any maintenance costs. Not a lot of detail about actual hours worked.

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I'm a bit skeptical... wouldn't a regular tax professional be able to tell you this without using some special tool? How do you know their interpretation of what qualifies is actually correct according to IRS standards?

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Andre Dubois

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The tool actually uses documentation analysis to review the activities described in your management statements, even if they don't explicitly list hours. It estimates reasonable time frames for standard activities like tenant screenings, inspections, maintenance coordination, etc. based on industry standards. Then it creates a comprehensive log with time estimates that you can use for your records. Most tax professionals can definitely help with this, but many aren't specialized in rental property QBI issues since it's relatively new tax law. What I liked was that they cited specific IRS guidance for each activity they counted. For instance, they pointed out that time spent driving to and from the property for inspections counts toward the 250 hours, which my CPA hadn't mentioned.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for my rental property documentation. I was really skeptical (as you can see from my previous comment), but it actually worked surprisingly well for my situation. I uploaded my management statements from the past year, and it identified about 215 hours of qualifying activities. I wasn't quite at the 250-hour threshold, but the analysis showed me specific additional activities I could document myself (like time researching capital improvements, meeting with my accountant about the property, etc.) to reach the safe harbor. I ended up qualifying for QBI and saving about $3,700 on my taxes this year! The report it generated also gave me confidence that I could defend the deduction if audited, which was my biggest concern. Definitely worth checking out if you're in a similar situation with a property management company.

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Jamal Carter

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If you're trying to reach the IRS to get clarification on whether your rental property qualifies for QBI, good luck! I spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone who could actually answer my question about this exact situation. Always busy signals or being on hold for hours only to get disconnected. I eventually used https://claimyr.com to get through to an IRS agent. There's a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they have a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you, then calls you when they get a human on the line. The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that even with a single rental property managed by a property management company, I could qualify for QBI if I could document sufficient "rental service" hours (including the hours spent by my property manager). That clarification alone saved me thousands on my taxes.

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Mei Liu

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How exactly does this service work? Do they have some special access to the IRS or something? Seems weird that a third-party service could get through when regular citizens can't.

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I'm calling BS on this. There's no way the IRS would give specific tax advice like that over the phone. They always say "consult with your tax professional" when it comes to interpretations of tax law like QBI qualifications.

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Jamal Carter

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No special access - they use technology to continually redial and navigate the phone trees automatically. Basically, they do the waiting for you instead of you having to sit on hold for hours. When they reach a human, they conference you in so you can speak directly with the IRS agent. You're partially right - they won't give definitive "yes, you qualify" answers, but they will clarify how the rules work. In my case, the agent explained that under Revenue Procedure 2019-38, hours spent by property managers can count toward the 250-hour requirement if properly documented. They didn't tell me "you specifically qualify" but confirmed the general interpretation of the rule, which was exactly what I needed to know.

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I need to eat some humble pie here. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr myself because I've been trying to get clarification on a different QBI rental issue for months with no luck. I got through to an IRS tax law specialist in about 45 minutes (compared to my previous attempts where I spent literally hours on hold). The agent was able to point me to the specific guidance in Revenue Procedure 2019-38 that addressed my situation. While they did say "consult your tax professional" for my specific case, they were incredibly helpful in explaining how the safe harbor works. For what it's worth, the agent confirmed that property management hours DO count toward the 250-hour requirement if properly documented, which was my main question. Definitely changed my perspective on both the service and my QBI eligibility.

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Amara Nwosu

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Just wanted to add my experience as a landlord with a single rental property. I initially didn't claim QBI because my accountant wasn't sure if I qualified. The next year, I switched accountants and the new one said I absolutely did qualify under the "facts and circumstances" test, even without meeting the safe harbor requirements. He pointed out that running a rental through a management company actually strengthens the argument that it's a business rather than an investment, since you're operating it in a businesslike manner with professional management. We documented everything properly and I was able to claim the QBI deduction for both years (filed an amended return for the previous year). One tip: keep a separate business credit card and checking account for ALL rental transactions. This makes it much easier to show you're running it as a business rather than an investment.

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AstroExplorer

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Did you have any issues with the amended return claiming QBI? I'm in a similar situation where I didn't claim it last year but now think I should have. Worried about raising red flags with an amendment.

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Amara Nwosu

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No issues with the amended return at all. The key was having solid documentation to back up the claim. My accountant included a detailed statement explaining why the rental activity qualified as a Section 162 trade or business, along with documentation of all the property management activities. I think amendments raise more red flags when you're making questionable claims without documentation. In this case, we were correcting an error of omission (not claiming a deduction I was entitled to) and had the paperwork to back it up. The refund was processed without any questions.

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - if your income is below certain thresholds, you might qualify for QBI even without meeting the safe harbor! For 2025 filing, the phase-out begins at $182,100 for single filers or $364,200 for married filing jointly. Below those thresholds, the IRS tends to be less stringent about the exact nature of the "trade or business" requirement for rental properties. My CPA advised that with good documentation and business-like treatment of the property (separate accounts, proper record-keeping), a single rental property has a strong case for QBI qualification if you're under those income limits.

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Yuki Sato

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That's really interesting! My total income including the rental is around $155,000, so I'm below that threshold. Does this mean I might qualify even without hitting the 250 hours of rental services?

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Yes, you're in a good position being under the threshold! While the 250-hour safe harbor provides a guaranteed way to qualify, rental properties can still qualify as a "trade or business" under Section 162 based on facts and circumstances. At your income level, if you're operating the rental in a businesslike manner (separate accounts, proper documentation, profit motive, etc.), you have a very reasonable position to claim the QBI deduction. Just make sure you have good records of all rental activities, including those performed by your management company, to support your position that this is a business activity rather than just an investment.

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Paige Cantoni

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Based on your situation, you have a decent chance of qualifying for the QBI deduction, especially since your rental income appears to be well below the income thresholds mentioned by Giovanni. Here are a few key points for your specific case: 1. **Documentation is crucial**: Start requesting detailed activity logs from your property management company. Even if they don't currently track hours, most can provide estimates for time spent on tenant placement, maintenance coordination, inspections, etc. 2. **Business treatment matters**: Since you're using a professional management company and treating this as a business operation, you're already on the right track. Make sure you have separate bank accounts and maintain good records. 3. **Don't overlook your own time**: While the management company handles day-to-day operations, any time you spend reviewing their reports, making decisions about repairs, researching the rental market, or meeting with your accountant about the property can count toward qualifying activities. 4. **Consider the facts and circumstances test**: Even if you can't document 250 hours, your situation (professional management, business bank accounts, profit motive) suggests you're operating a trade or business rather than just holding an investment property. Given that you're earning $2,350/month in rent, the QBI deduction could save you several hundred to over a thousand dollars depending on your tax bracket. Definitely worth pursuing with proper documentation!

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