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Ethan Campbell

Can I deduct preparation & client meeting time on taxes as self-employed?

Quick tax question for you all - I just spent over two weeks trying to land a new client for my business. First week was all meetings and prep work (like 40 hours worth), and the second week was purely spent drafting a detailed statement of work after they agreed to hire me. This was substantial unpaid time - probably close to 80 hours total. Can I deduct any of this time on my tax return? I'm self-employed and file Schedule C. The client eventually signed the contract, but all this work was done before any money changed hands. I'm trying to figure out if preparation time and pitching count as deductible business expenses. Any insight appreciated!

Yes, you can absolutely deduct the business expenses associated with obtaining new clients, but there's an important distinction to make here. While you can't deduct the VALUE of your time spent (the IRS doesn't allow you to deduct what you could have earned), you CAN deduct all actual expenses incurred during those two weeks. This includes things like transportation costs to meetings, meals with potential clients (50% deductible), office supplies used to prepare your pitch, software subscriptions utilized for creating the statement of work, a portion of your home office expenses for the time period if you have one, and any other actual expenses related to obtaining this client. These would all be legitimate business expenses reportable on your Schedule C.

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Wait I'm confused - what if I didn't really have any expenses besides my time? I do similar proposal work and spend hours creating custom pitches but I work from my apartment and just use my existing laptop and stuff. Does that mean I get no deduction for all that work?

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You're right that if you don't have additional expenses beyond your time, there's less to deduct. However, don't overlook some deductions you might still qualify for. If you're working from your apartment, you might qualify for the home office deduction if you have a space used regularly and exclusively for business. This could give you a deduction for a portion of your rent, utilities, and internet. For your laptop and other equipment, you can claim depreciation or possibly Section 179 expensing for the business portion of these items. Also, don't forget about less obvious expenses like your cell phone bill (business portion), internet service, software subscriptions, office supplies, and possibly even a portion of meals if you were working through mealtimes on this project.

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Here's my two cents as someone who's been self-employed for 20+ years - track EVERYTHING. Even if you're not sure if something is deductible, keep the receipt and make note of the business purpose. It's way better to have documentation you don't need than to miss out on legitimate deductions. For client acquisition specifically, I track: - Mileage to/from prospect meetings - Coffee/meal expenses with prospects (50% deductible) - Printing costs for proposals - Software used to create proposals - Portion of internet/phone for business development calls - Research materials specific to potential clients My CPA always says "if you're not documenting it, you're donating it to the IRS

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Does this apply to online business too? I don't have physical meetings but spend tons of time on zoom calls and making digital proposals. Can I deduct my internet bill and computer?

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Absolutely! For online businesses, you can definitely deduct the business portion of your internet bill - just make sure you calculate a reasonable business percentage. If you use the internet 80% for business and 20% personally, you can deduct 80% of the cost. For your computer and other equipment, you have options. You can either deduct the full cost in the year you buy it using Section 179 expensing (subject to limitations), or you can depreciate it over several years. Software subscriptions used for business are typically 100% deductible. Don't forget about your phone bill too if you use it for business calls or client communications.

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Has anyone used TurboSelf-Employed for tracking these kinds of expenses? My accountant charges me a fortune and I'm wondering if I could DIY with the right software.

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I switched from TurboSelf to QuickBooks Self-Employed last year and it's way better for expense tracking. It connects to your bank accounts and credit cards, and you can categorize expenses on your phone as they happen. It also calculates quarterly estimated tax payments which was a huge help. More expensive but worth it for me.

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Great question! I've been self-employed for about 5 years now and have dealt with this exact situation multiple times. The key thing to remember is that you can't deduct the value of your time, but you absolutely can deduct legitimate business expenses incurred during client acquisition. Since you mentioned spending 80 hours over two weeks, I'd suggest going back through that period and documenting every actual expense you had. This might include gas/mileage if you drove to meetings, any materials you purchased for the proposal, software subscriptions you used, coffee/meals during client meetings (50% deductible), and even a portion of your home office expenses if you qualify. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all expenses by potential client, even when deals don't close. That way I have documentation ready at tax time. The IRS allows these client acquisition costs as ordinary and necessary business expenses on Schedule C, but good record-keeping is essential. Also, since this client did sign the contract, all those expenses are clearly legitimate business costs that led to actual revenue. Make sure to keep copies of your SOW, meeting notes, and any receipts from that period.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to self-employment and honestly had no idea I could deduct things like mileage and home office expenses for client acquisition work. I've been doing freelance graphic design for about 6 months now and spend a lot of time creating custom portfolio pieces and proposals for potential clients. Your spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I've been terrible about tracking expenses because I wasn't sure what counted. Do you have any recommendations for what categories to include? I'm thinking mileage, software subscriptions, printing costs... what else should I be tracking that I might be missing? Also, when you mention "portion of home office expenses" - how do you calculate that if you're working on multiple projects from the same space? Do you allocate based on time spent on each client or is there a different method?

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