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Oscar O'Neil

Can I claim mortgage points deduction if they're not showing on my settlement statement?

I'm trying to figure out if I can deduct about $33k in mortgage points that aren't actually listed on my settlement statement. We refinanced our home last fall, and I know we paid points to get a better rate (the loan officer definitely mentioned this during the process), but when I look at my closing documents, I don't see them specifically labeled as "points" anywhere. My lender is being super unhelpful - I've called twice and been transferred around to different departments with no clear answer. I'm using TurboTax and it keeps asking me for the amount of points paid, but I honestly don't know what to put since I can't find them listed anywhere! The loan was for $625k if that matters, and I'm pretty sure we paid around 1.25 points to bring down our rate. That's where I'm getting the $33k figure from, but I'm not confident enough to just claim it without proper documentation. Has anyone dealt with this before? Will the IRS flag me if I claim points that aren't clearly listed on my settlement statement?

This is actually a common issue! Mortgage points (also called discount points) are sometimes listed under different names on your closing documents. Look for terms like "loan origination fee," "discount fee," or simply "points" on your Closing Disclosure form. One point equals 1% of your mortgage amount, so if your loan was $625k, one point would be $6,250. If you paid 1.25 points, that would be around $7,800 - not $33k. I think your estimate might be off, as $33k would be over 5 points which is unusually high. If you still can't find it, contact your loan officer directly (not the general customer service) and ask for documentation that specifically shows the points you paid. For tax deduction purposes, you'll need this documentation if you're audited.

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Thanks for the clarification - you're right about my math being way off! I must have been thinking about something else entirely. I'll check my Closing Disclosure again with those specific terms in mind. Quick follow-up question: If I do find them listed under a different name, is that sufficient for tax purposes or do I need something that explicitly says "points"?

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The exact terminology isn't critical for tax purposes - what matters is that the fee represents prepaid interest to reduce your interest rate. The Closing Disclosure or settlement statement should be sufficient documentation even if it uses terms like "loan discount fee" instead of "points." If you're still uncertain after reviewing your documents, you can request a letter from your lender that clarifies which fees were for mortgage points. This provides additional documentation in case of an audit.

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That sounds helpful. Can it actually recognize different lenders' formats? My closing docs are from a small credit union and they seem to label everything differently than what standard advice suggests.

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I'm curious - does it handle refi situations differently than initial mortgages? I've heard points on refinancing have to be amortized over the loan life rather than deducted all at once.

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Yes, it recognizes documents from over 40 different lenders including smaller credit unions! It's specifically trained on various document formats and can identify the information regardless of what terminology they use. I was surprised because my lender had some really unusual labeling. For refinancing situations, you're absolutely right that the tax treatment is different. The tool actually flags this distinction and explains that points on a refinance typically must be deducted over the life of the loan rather than all in the first year. It provides a breakdown of how much you can deduct each year based on your specific loan details.

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How exactly does that work? Does it just connect you to the regular customer service line? My lender has terrible hold times and then they transfer me around endlessly.

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Sounds too good to be true. I've been trying to reach my mortgage company for a month with no success. They literally never answer or return calls. How could this service possibly get through when I can't?

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One thing to look for is anything calculated as a percentage of your loan amount on the Closing Disclosure. My points were listed as "0.625% loan fee" rather than explicitly called points. Also check if the amount matches what you'd expect - on a $625k loan, 1.25 points would be $7,812.50. Look for a fee around that amount.

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Would points always be a percentage? Mine has a flat fee of $3,200 called "Rate Buy-Down Fee" - is that the same thing as points?

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Yes, a "Rate Buy-Down Fee" is typically mortgage points, even if it's expressed as a flat fee rather than a percentage. That's exactly the kind of alternative terminology lenders often use. Mortgage points are essentially prepaid interest that reduces your interest rate, so anything that explicitly mentions reducing your rate (like your "Rate Buy-Down Fee") is likely points. As long as it was paid to obtain a lower interest rate, it should qualify for the deduction, though the tax treatment depends on whether this was a purchase or refinance.

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Something important that nobody has mentioned - if this was a REFINANCE (not a first mortgage), you can't deduct all the points in the year you paid them! You have to spread the deduction over the life of the loan. So if you paid $7,800 in points on a 30-year refinance, you can only deduct about $260 per year. A lot of people miss this and incorrectly deduct the full amount in year one.

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Is there any exception to this rule? I thought if you use the refinance money for home improvements, you can deduct points immediately?

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Also check your monthly mortgage statements - sometimes they'll list the interest rate reduction you received from paying points. Mine shows "Rate: 4.125% (reduced by 0.75% through discount points)" which helped confirm what I paid for when the settlement statement was unclear.

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That's a really helpful tip - I hadn't thought to check my monthly statements! I'll take a look at mine tonight. Thanks!

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