Are short term capital gains subject to FICA taxes in 2025?
Hey tax people - I've been doing more day trading this year and made some decent profits on stocks I held for less than a year (around $14k in short term gains). My friend was telling me that I'll have to pay FICA taxes (social security and medicare) on these gains in addition to regular income tax. That doesn't sound right to me, but I'm not a tax expert. Are short term capital gains actually subject to FICA taxes? I use TurboTax but want to make sure I'm setting aside enough for next year's taxes. Thanks!
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Eli Wang
Short term capital gains are NOT subject to FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). They're subject to ordinary income tax rates based on your tax bracket, but they're not considered earned income for FICA purposes. The confusion probably comes from how short-term gains are treated like regular income for income tax purposes. When you hold investments less than a year, those gains get taxed at your ordinary income tax rate (unlike long-term gains which get preferential rates). But this is separate from FICA taxes, which only apply to earned income from employment or self-employment. Make sure you're setting aside enough to cover the income tax portion though - depending on your tax bracket, you might need to pay anywhere from 10% to 37% on those short-term gains.
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Cassandra Moon
•Thanks for explaining! So what exactly counts as earned income for FICA then? I do some freelance graphic design work on the side of my regular job, and I know I pay self-employment tax on that. Is that basically the same as FICA?
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Eli Wang
•Earned income for FICA purposes includes wages, salaries, tips, and net earnings from self-employment. Your freelance graphic design work is definitely subject to self-employment tax, which is essentially both the employer and employee portions of FICA (so about 15.3% total). Investment income - including interest, dividends, capital gains (both short and long term), and rental income - isn't considered earned income for FICA/self-employment tax purposes, so it's not subject to those taxes. That's why there's often tax advantages to having investment income vs. purely earned income.
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Zane Hernandez
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Genevieve Cavalier
•How does it handle crypto trading? I've got some bitcoin profits this year but also some ethereum losses. Do they analyze crypto the same way as regular stocks?
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Ethan Scott
•Does it actually connect with TurboTax or other tax software or do you just use it to figure things out separately? Sounds useful but I don't want to have to input all my info twice.
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Zane Hernandez
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Genevieve Cavalier
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Lola Perez
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Nathaniel Stewart
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Riya Sharma
•I'm skeptical. The IRS phone system is notoriously terrible. How exactly does this "jump the line"? Sounds like they're just calling and waiting on hold like everyone else, then connecting you. Not sure how that's worth paying for.
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Lola Perez
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Riya Sharma
Well I'm eating crow - I actually tried Claimyr after responding here because I've been putting off calling about an issue with my account for months. It actually connected me to the IRS in about 35 minutes without me having to sit through that awful hold music. The agent was able to clarify my FICA vs income tax question and also helped with another issue I had about estimated tax payments. Definitely worth it just for the time savings and stress reduction. Didn't think I'd be the one posting a positive follow-up but credit where it's due!
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Santiago Diaz
The way I remember the difference: think about FICA as taxes on "work" income only. If you're actively working to earn the money (job, freelancing, etc), it gets hit with FICA. If your money is working for you (investments, including short-term gains), no FICA. BUT don't forget about the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) which is an additional 3.8% tax on investment income for high earners (over $200k single or $250k married). That's separate from FICA but still something to be aware of if your income is higher.
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Millie Long
•What's confusing me is how rental income works then? I'm not "actively working" for that money in the traditional sense, but it's not exactly the same as stock investments either. Is rental income subject to FICA?
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Santiago Diaz
•Rental income is generally not subject to FICA or self-employment taxes. It's treated as passive income in most cases, similar to investments. There are exceptions though - if you're in the business of real estate (like a real estate professional who spends most working hours on real estate activities) or if you provide substantial services along with the rental (like running a bed and breakfast where you're providing daily services to guests), then it might be treated differently. But for normal rental properties where you're just collecting rent checks, it's typically not subject to FICA/SE tax.
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KaiEsmeralda
I messed this up last year lol. I set aside way too much for taxes cause I thought my crypto gains would be hit with self-employment tax too. Ended up with a bigger refund than expected, which I guess isn't the worst problem to have, but still annoying that I restricted my cash flow unnecessarily for months!
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Debra Bai
•Better than the opposite problem though! My buddy underpaid on his gains and got hit with an underpayment penalty. I'd rather over-save than get surprised with a penalty come filing time.
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Chloe Davis
Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations! This clears up so much confusion. I was definitely overthinking this - sounds like I just need to worry about regular income tax on my $14k in short-term gains, not FICA. Based on what you all said, I'm in the 22% tax bracket so I should probably set aside around $3k for federal taxes on those gains, plus whatever my state rate is. Way less stressful than thinking I'd owe an extra 15.3% on top of that! Really appreciate this community - you saved me from either overpaying or calling my accountant and paying $200 just to ask this one question.
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Lena Schultz
•Glad we could help clear that up! You're absolutely right about the 22% bracket calculation. Just a heads up though - don't forget about potential state taxes too if your state has capital gains taxes. Also, if this pushes your total income higher, you might want to double-check if you need to make estimated quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties next year. TurboTax usually walks you through that, but it's good to be aware of ahead of time!
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Klaus Schmidt
Just want to add one more thing that might be helpful - even though short-term capital gains aren't subject to FICA taxes, they do count toward your adjusted gross income (AGI). This means they could potentially push you into a higher tax bracket or affect other tax benefits that have income limits. For example, if your gains push your AGI above certain thresholds, you might lose eligibility for things like IRA deduction limits, student loan interest deductions, or other credits. It's worth running the numbers to see how your total income picture looks, not just the tax on the gains themselves. Also, since you mentioned you're doing more day trading this year, keep really good records of all your transactions. The IRS has been cracking down on unreported trading activity, especially with all the new 1099 reporting requirements for crypto and stock transactions.
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Michael Green
•Great point about AGI limits! I hadn't even thought about how my trading gains could affect other deductions. I do have student loans so I'll definitely need to check if I'm still under the income threshold for that interest deduction. And yes, record keeping has been a nightmare this year - I've been using multiple brokers and doing way more trades than last year. I've heard horror stories about people getting audited because their 1099s didn't match what they reported. Do you recommend any specific software for tracking all the trades, or is a simple spreadsheet sufficient as long as I'm capturing all the key details?
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