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Are federal withholding tables significantly too low for higher combined incomes?

So my husband and I are now pulling in a combined salary somewhere in the mid-$200k range. Our income only went up about 4% from last year, nothing crazy. We've both got our W4's marked as single with zero dependents for maximum withholding. I'm even having an extra $1,175 per month taken out for federal withholding on top of that. Yet somehow we're STILL short by about $4,000 this year when we did our taxes! I'm thinking of bumping my extra withholding up to $1,600 monthly, but I'm worried even that won't be enough. It feels like every single year I'm having to drastically increase our withholding way beyond what I'd expect. Are the withholding tables just fundamentally inaccurate at our income level? Is anyone else experiencing this? For context, we're now taking the standard deduction since I'm toward the end of paying off our mortgage and the SALT limits make itemizing pointless. I also have roughly $6,500 in dividend income annually that isn't in tax-sheltered accounts. Any insights on whether I'm missing something or if the withholding tables are just this far off for higher incomes?

This is actually a common issue at higher income levels. The withholding tables aren't necessarily "wrong," but they have limitations in how they handle multiple income sources and additional investment income. When both spouses work and have higher incomes, the withholding calculations at each job don't "know" about the other job. So each employer withholds as if that's your only income, which puts you in a lower tax bracket than your combined income actually falls into. Your dividend income is another factor - since there's no automatic withholding on that, you need to compensate through your W-4 adjustments. The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that might help you calculate a more accurate withholding amount. You can input all income sources, and it will recommend specific W-4 settings. Another option is to consider quarterly estimated tax payments to cover the gap rather than just increasing your withholding.

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Thanks for this explanation. I've tried the IRS Withholding Estimator before but found it really tedious to use. I just went with the "single, zero dependents + extra withholding" approach since it seemed simpler. But I'm curious - roughly how much extra withholding would you recommend for someone in our situation? Is there a rule of thumb like "X% of dividend income" or "X% of second income" that people typically use?

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The "single with zero dependents plus extra withholding" approach is definitely simpler, which is why many dual-income couples use it. If you want a rough rule of thumb, for couples in the 24-32% brackets with dual incomes, adding about 5-10% of the lower spouse's income as extra withholding often helps cover the shortfall. For your dividends, setting aside roughly 25-30% of that amount annually is typically sufficient. So for $6,500 in dividends, that's about $1,625-$1,950 per year or roughly $135-$162 per month in extra withholding just for the dividend portion.

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After struggling with similar issues for years, I finally found a solution that worked well for me. I started using https://taxr.ai to analyze my paycheck withholdings and it showed me exactly where the standard tables were falling short. The tool identified that my wife and I were underwithholding by nearly $7k annually despite both claiming "single/0" on our W4s! What I liked most was that it explained how the withholding tables don't account for the "tax stacking" that happens with dual incomes. Our employers were each withholding as if our individual salaries were our only income, missing the fact that combined we were in a higher bracket. It also gave me customized instructions for filling out the new W4 forms properly instead of just using the old "single/0" method which doesn't work as well with the redesigned forms.

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Did it actually give you specific numbers to put on your W4? Like for the "extra withholding" line? I'm in almost the exact same situation as OP and I've been guessing at the extra withholding amount for years.

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How accurate was it compared to what you actually ended up owing? The last thing I need is another calculator that underestimates my tax bill again.

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Yes, it gave me specific dollar amounts to put on line 4(c) of the W4 for both my wife and me. For my situation, it recommended $267 extra withholding per paycheck for me and $198 for my wife rather than the flat amount I had been using. The amounts were different because it calculated the exact impact of our tax bracket changes. It was surprisingly accurate. Last year before using it, we owed about $5,200 at tax time. After adjusting our withholding based on its recommendations, we ended up with a small refund of about $340. So it actually worked better than my previous guesswork approach where I kept coming up short.

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Just wanted to follow up and say I tried that https://taxr.ai tool mentioned above and it was actually super helpful! I was blown away by how it analyzed my specific situation. I've been in the same boat as you - making around $260k combined with my wife, claiming single/0 on both W4s, and STILL coming up short every April. The tool showed me I was under-withholding by $6,200 annually despite thinking I was being conservative! What I found most useful was that it explained exactly WHY the withholding tables don't work well for our situation - basically our employers calculate withholding independently without knowing about the other job, and that creates a big shortfall at our income level. Now I've got specific numbers to adjust our W4s instead of just guessing and hoping. Definitely worth checking out if you're tired of writing big checks to the IRS every spring!

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Wait, you actually got to speak to a real IRS agent? How does this service work exactly? Is it just automating the phone calling process or something? I've been trying to get through for months about a similar withholding issue.

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This sounds like complete BS to me. Nobody gets through to the IRS in 25 minutes. I've spent literally hours on hold only to get disconnected. I'll believe it when I see it.

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I need to eat my words here. After my skeptical comment above, I tried that Claimyr service out of desperation since I needed to talk to someone at the IRS about my withholding situation (similar to OP's issue). I'm honestly shocked - it actually worked. Got a call back in about 40 minutes and spoke with an IRS agent who was super helpful about my withholding questions. She explained that for my income level ($225k household), I should be withholding an additional 12% beyond the "single/0" setting because of exactly the issue OP described - the withholding tables don't handle dual high incomes correctly. The agent spent about 15 minutes walking me through the exact numbers for my new W4. Turns out I've been under-withholding by about $7,800 a year despite thinking I was being conservative with my withholding choices! Definitely worth it if you need actual personalized advice about withholding at higher income levels. The standard advice online just doesn't cover these edge cases well.

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One solution that worked for me was switching to making quarterly estimated payments instead of trying to get the withholding perfect. I still do some basic withholding but then make 4 payments throughout the year to cover the rest. It's actually easier for me because I can calculate exactly what I need based on our actual income as the year progresses, rather than trying to predict everything perfectly in January.

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I've considered that approach too. How do you calculate your quarterly payments? Do you use tax software, or is there some formula you follow? And do you ever worry about underpayment penalties if your estimates are off?

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I use last year's total tax as my safe harbor amount (which avoids penalties as long as you pay at least 100% or 110% of prior year tax, depending on your income level). I take that amount, subtract what will be withheld through our regular paychecks, and divide the remainder by 4 for each quarterly payment. I track it in a simple spreadsheet. For example, if last year's tax was $52,000, and I expect about $40,000 to be withheld through payroll, I'll make quarterly payments of $3,000 each ($12,000 ÷ 4). This approach completely eliminates underpayment penalties as long as you hit that safe harbor amount.

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The withholding tables definitely have problems with dual high incomes. My accountant explained it's because each employer calculates withholding as if that job is your only income source. For example, if you each make $130k, each employer withholds as if you're in a lower tax bracket. But combined, your $260k pushes much more income into higher brackets. The automated withholding systems simply aren't designed to handle this scenario well.

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This is exactly right. I'm a payroll specialist and see this all the time with higher-income couples. The withholding system was really designed for single-income households or situations where one income is significantly higher than the other. When you have two high earners, the tables just don't work correctly.

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Thanks for confirming! My accountant also mentioned that the 2020 W4 redesign was supposed to help with this, but most people don't know how to fill it out correctly for dual-income situations. Apparently there's a special worksheet for two-income families that many people skip.

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