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Advice needed: Prior year refund (2019) on hold while 2023 taxes show balance due - should I pay now?

I'm in a bit of a tax situation and could use some advice. Back in 2019, I had some financial difficulties and didn't file my 2019 tax return until July 2023, just before the refund claim deadline (which had been extended to July 15, 2020 due to COVID). Luckily, I sent it certified mail so I have proof it was filed on time. All my other returns (2020-2023) were filed by their regular deadlines. I filed an extension for my 2022 taxes and submitted in October 2023. In November 2023, I got two letters - one flagging my 2022 return for identity verification and another claiming I'd filed my 2019 return too late for a refund. During the identity verification call, I faxed my certified mail receipt to the IRS agent showing my 2019 return was sent before the deadline. The agent confirmed it looked good, said he'd note everything in the system, and told me I should receive both my 2019 and 2022 refunds in about 8 weeks. I received my 2022 refund without issues, but I'm still waiting on the 2019 refund. When I prepared my 2023 return, I discovered I have a balance due that's smaller than my pending 2019 refund. I checked my transcript on the IRS website which shows I still have a refund coming from 2019. I figured the IRS would automatically apply that refund to my 2023 balance, but last week I received a balance due notice for 2023. I called the IRS and was told they're still "reviewing" my 2019 refund. So my question is: Should I just pay the 2023 balance now, or wait assuming they'll eventually apply my 2019 refund? I'd rather not pay if they're going to apply the refund later. And if I should pay now, should I pay the original balance due or the current amount with added interest and penalties?

This is a common situation with the IRS, especially with delayed filings and refunds from previous years. Here's what you need to know: If you don't pay the 2023 balance due by the deadline, you'll continue to accrue penalties and interest on that amount, regardless of your pending refund from 2019. The IRS systems don't automatically hold off on penalties just because you're owed money from a different tax year that's under review. My recommendation would be to pay the 2023 balance due now, including any current penalties and interest. This stops the clock on additional penalties accumulating. Once your 2019 refund is processed and approved, you'll receive that amount separately. If you're certain the 2019 refund will be approved (which sounds likely since the agent confirmed your timely filing), then paying now is essentially like making an interest-free loan to the government for a while. But it protects you from additional penalties if the 2019 review drags on longer than expected. You can also request that the IRS specifically apply your 2019 refund to your 2023 tax liability by filing Form 8379, but that may actually delay things further rather than speed them up.

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Thanks for the advice. So just to clarify - even though the IRS agent already confirmed my 2019 return was filed on time when I faxed my certified mail receipt, I'll still face penalties on my 2023 balance while they "review" the 2019 refund? That seems really unfair. Do you know how long these refund reviews typically take? It's already been about 9 months since the agent confirmed everything looked good.

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Yes, unfortunately the IRS treats each tax year as a separate account, so even though an agent verified your 2019 filing was timely, that doesn't automatically pause penalties on your 2023 balance. It is frustrating, but that's how their systems work. These reviews can take anywhere from a few months to over a year, especially with the backlog they've been dealing with since COVID. Nine months is unfortunately not unusual these days. You might consider contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service if it goes beyond a year with no resolution, as they can sometimes help move things along.

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Did you have to pay for the transcript analysis? I'm in a similar situation and the IRS keeps giving me the runaround. I'd love to be able to speak their language and understand what's actually happening.

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I'm skeptical about these third-party services. Couldn't you just get the same information by calling the IRS directly? What did this service tell you that you couldn't find out yourself?

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The transcript analysis is part of their service, and yes there is a cost but it was worth it to me since I was dealing with thousands in potential penalties. I actually tried calling the IRS directly multiple times. The problem was that each time I called, I got different information because I didn't know what questions to ask or what all the codes on my transcript meant. The service breaks down every transaction code and tells you exactly what's happening in your account that you might not know to ask about. I learned my refund was under review specifically because of a manual verification process (code 570) and not because of a suspected audit (which would be different codes). This let me ask the right questions when I called, and the IRS agent confirmed this was accurate. Saved me a lot of stress wondering if I was being audited.

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Just wanted to update that I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. It was incredibly helpful! I've been trying to understand my transcripts for weeks and getting nowhere with the IRS. The analysis showed me that my 2020 refund was actually approved but being held because of an offset review (something the IRS never mentioned in my calls). I was able to call back with the specific code information and got everything resolved in one call instead of being transferred around. They also showed me exactly what would happen to my balance due if I didn't pay by certain dates. Turns out I was already accruing the failure-to-pay penalty which increases by 0.5% each month. Definitely paying my balance now and waiting for the refund separately!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should check if you're eligible for first-time penalty abatement for the 2023 balance due. If you had a good compliance history for the past 3 years (which it sounds like you might since you mentioned filing 2020-2022 on time), you could qualify to have the failure-to-pay penalties removed. You'd still be responsible for the interest, but getting the penalties removed could save you a decent amount. You'd need to request this specifically, either by calling the IRS or submitting a letter. Just make sure to pay the balance first, then request the abatement after.

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That's really helpful - I didn't know about first-time penalty abatement! I think I would qualify since all my other returns were filed on time. Do I need to wait until the whole situation is resolved with my 2019 refund, or can I request the abatement as soon as I pay the 2023 balance?

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You can request the first-time penalty abatement as soon as you pay the 2023 balance in full. You don't need to wait for the 2019 refund situation to be resolved. Just call the main IRS number on your notice and specifically ask for "first-time penalty abatement under the IRS's First Time Abatement administrative waiver." Have your 2023 notice handy when you call. The agent will check your eligibility based on your filing compliance for the past 3 years. If approved, they'll remove the failure-to-pay penalties, though the interest will remain. The whole process usually takes just one phone call if you qualify.

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Form 8379 (Injured Spouse Allocation) - couldn't this help with getting the refund applied to the balance due? I thought that's what you use when the IRS is holding your money.

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Form 8379 is for injured spouse claims, not for this situation. That form is used when a joint filer wants to recover their portion of a refund that was applied to their spouse's separate debt (like back child support, student loans, etc). What you're thinking of might be Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service Application) which can help when you're experiencing financial hardship due to IRS delays. Or possibly just a letter requesting that the 2019 refund be applied to the 2023 balance when it's processed.

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