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Received a CP501 notice for my already paid 2017 taxes - new penalties?

I filed my 2017 taxes back in 2020 (I had already filed my 2019 return and the IRS was holding onto my refund). I ended up owing for 2017, so they took a portion of my 2019 refund to cover the taxes and the late filing/payment penalties. According to my 2017 transcript, the balance showed zero as of August 2020. About a month after filing, I got a notice saying they used part of my 2019 refund to pay off 2017. I thought everything was settled... Then last week, I got a CP501 notice claiming I still owe taxes from 2017! I pulled my 2017 transcript a few days ago, and there were absolutely no changes to the original return - no additional income reported or changes to the tax amount owed. The only new thing is they added ANOTHER penalty for filing after the due date. I have no clue why they did this, except maybe they calculated it wrong initially? It's only like $27, and I could just pay it and be done. If nobody here has any insights, I might just do that instead of dealing with the nightmare of calling the IRS. My past experiences with their phone system don't leave me optimistic that I'll ever reach a human, or that they'll know anything more than what I already see. But I wanted to check if it's normal for them to randomly add extra penalties to a zero balance almost two years later?

This actually happens more often than you'd think. The IRS can reassess penalties up to 3 years after the original filing date. What likely happened is their automated system did a secondary review of your account and determined that the original penalty calculation was incorrect. Even though your balance showed zero after they took your refund, their system can still flag accounts for additional review. The late filing penalty is typically 5% of unpaid taxes for each month your return is late, up to 25%. If they initially calculated it incorrectly, their system will eventually catch it. For a small amount like $27, it's probably easiest to just pay it. But if you want to challenge it, you can request penalty abatement through the IRS's First Time Penalty Abatement policy if you've had a clean compliance history for the three years prior to 2017.

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Thanks for the explanation! I had no idea they could add penalties after showing a zero balance. Do you think it's worth trying for that First Time Penalty Abatement? I had filed on time for the previous years, but I've heard horror stories about trying to get through to the IRS these days. Is there a way to request this without calling?

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You can request First Time Penalty Abatement without calling by sending a written request. Write a letter explaining that you're requesting abatement under the First Time Penalty Abatement policy, include your identifying information, and reference the CP501 notice number. For such a small amount, it might not be worth the time investment. Another option is to use the IRS online payment agreement tool to set up a payment plan if you don't want to pay it all at once, though there may be setup fees that exceed the actual amount you owe. Many people in your situation just pay the amount to avoid further complications.

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How does it actually work? Do you just upload the notice and it tells you what to do? I'm dealing with a CP501 right now too but for 2020 taxes, and I'm totally confused because I thought I had paid everything.

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Wait, how does this actually work? Does it just dial for you repeatedly or something? I've been trying to reach the IRS for weeks about my CP501 notice and keep getting disconnected.

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This sounds like BS honestly. If it was that easy to get through to the IRS, everyone would be doing it. I've been trying for MONTHS to talk to someone about my tax situation. How much does this cost? Probably a fortune for something you could do yourself if you just keep trying...

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Just an FYI - you might want to double check if they charged you interest on that penalty amount too. When the IRS adds penalties later, they often backdate the interest to the original due date. So your $27 might have a few dollars of interest tacked on as well. If you decide to pay it, make sure you're paying the full amount shown on the most recent notice, not just the penalty amount you saw on your transcript. Otherwise you might keep getting notices for the small interest amount.

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That's a really good point! I didn't even think about the interest. I just looked at the CP501 again and you're right - there's about $3.42 in interest charged on top of the penalty. Would that interest continue to grow if I wait to resolve this, or is it a fixed amount?

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Yes, the interest will continue to accrue daily until the balance is fully paid. The IRS interest rate changes quarterly, but it's currently around 5% annually. On such a small amount, we're talking pennies per month, but technically it will keep growing. If you request and get approved for penalty abatement, they would also remove the associated interest. But if you're just going to pay it, do it sooner rather than later to avoid any additional interest charges. Be sure to pay the total amount on the notice rather than just the original penalty.

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Has anyone actually gotten through to the IRS using the normal phone numbers lately? I've been trying for THREE WEEKS to talk to someone about my CP501 notice. Every time I call, I either get the "we're too busy, call back later" message or get disconnected after waiting on hold for an hour.

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I managed to get through last month but only by calling at exactly 7:00 AM Eastern when they first open. Even then I waited for 1.5 hours on hold. Tuesdays and Thursdays seem to be slightly better than Mondays from my experience.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll try calling right when they open on Thursday. Did you end up resolving your issue when you finally got through? I'm still debating whether it's worth the hassle for a small amount or if I should just pay it.

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For what it's worth, I had a similar situation with a CP501 for a small amount from a previous tax year that I thought was fully paid. I just went ahead and paid it online through the IRS Direct Pay system. Took about 3 minutes and I never received another notice. Sometimes the peace of mind is worth more than the $27, especially when you consider how much time you might spend trying to get it abated. Unless you're concerned this might happen again or there's a principle involved, sometimes it's just easier to pay it and move on.

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