Got a CP30 notice about estimated tax penalty even though I didn't underpay?
Just got this weird CP30 notice from the IRS about my 2023 estimated taxes and I'm super confused. I'll just make up some numbers to explain. The notice says: - Payment I made - $25,000 - Tax I owed - $24,400 - Failure to pay proper estimated tax penalty - $125 - Refund due - $600 Here's the thing that's driving me crazy - I already received a refund for $725! The refund due listed on this new notice is reduced by the $125 penalty they claim I owe. But wait, my estimated tax payment was MORE than what I owed. So why is there a penalty at all? Does anyone know what's going on here? I'm planning to call the IRS on Monday but from everything I've heard, getting a real person on the phone is basically impossible these days.
19 comments


Amara Eze
The CP30 notice is actually about estimated tax penalties, not underpayment overall. Even if your total payments for the year exceeded your tax liability, you could still face penalties if you didn't pay enough estimated tax throughout the year. The IRS requires you to pay taxes as you earn income, not just by the filing deadline. The penalty applies if you didn't pay enough tax through withholding or quarterly estimated payments during the specific time periods. The IRS expects you to pay your taxes in relatively equal installments throughout the year. So even if your final payment made up the difference, if earlier payments were insufficient, you can still get hit with this penalty. You should check when you made your estimated payments. If they were late or unevenly distributed across quarters, that's likely the reason for the penalty.
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Liam McGuire
•Wait, so even though I paid MORE than enough in total, they can still penalize me if I didn't spread the payments out evenly? That seems ridiculous! Do you know if there's a way to get this penalty removed?
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Amara Eze
•Yes, that's exactly how the estimated tax system works - it's designed to ensure steady tax payments throughout the year rather than one large payment at the end. There are ways to potentially get the penalty removed. If you can show reasonable cause for not making timely estimated payments, you might qualify for relief. Also, if your income was earned unevenly throughout the year (like if you're self-employed with fluctuating income), you can use the annualized income installment method on Form 2210 to possibly reduce or eliminate the penalty. This form lets you show that your income wasn't earned evenly, so your payments didn't need to be even either.
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Ava Thompson
I had this EXACT same issue last year! Turns out the problem might be that your estimated payments weren't evenly distributed across the four quarters. The IRS expects you to pay roughly 25% of your annual tax obligation each quarter, even if your income isn't earned evenly. If you made most of your estimated payments later in the year, that's probably why you got the penalty. You can file Form 2210 to ask for relief, especially if your income was uneven throughout the year. That form lets you calculate your required payments based on when you actually earned the income.
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Liam McGuire
•That makes sense! I definitely paid most of it in the last two quarters because my business had a much better second half of the year. Is Form 2210 something I can file now even though I already got my refund?
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Ava Thompson
•Yes! You can absolutely file Form 2210 now. You'll need to complete it and file Form 1040-X (amended return) to recalculate your penalty based on when you actually earned the income. Since you've already received your refund, if the 2210 reduces or eliminates your penalty, the IRS will send you an additional refund for the penalty amount you paid. Just make sure you check the box on Form 2210 for the "Annualized Income Installment Method" and complete Schedule AI on page 4 of the form to show when your income was actually earned. It's a bit complicated, so you might want to use tax software or get help from a tax pro.
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CyberSiren
My neighbor is a retired IRS agent and she told me that estimated tax penalties are calculated per QUARTER, not just annually. So if you made one big payment at the end, you could still get hit with penalties for the earlier quarters. There's a special test called the "safe harbor" provision. If you paid either 90% of this year's tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150k) through timely estimated payments, you won't get penalties. Maybe check if you met one of these tests?
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Miguel Alvarez
•Is that safe harbor thing calculated for the whole year or for each quarter separately? I always thought I just had to hit 100% of last year's taxes by the end of the year.
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Zainab Yusuf
This same thing happened to me! Check if your state has residency requirements for tax purposes. I moved mid-year and had to pay estimated taxes to TWO states because of their different rules. The CP30 was because the IRS thought I underpaid federally, but it was actually because I was paying to multiple state tax authorities and messed up the allocation. Call the IRS (good luck lol) and explain. They removed my penalty after I explained and sent proof of my state tax payments showing i was actually in compliance with the quarterly requirements when you look at the whole picture.
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