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Has anyone used TurboTax to report a business sale? I'm trying to figure out if the self-employed version can handle this or if I need to upgrade to their business version?
I used TurboTax Self-Employed last year for selling my small consulting business and it worked fine. It walks you through Form 4797 and 8594. The key is making sure you have your asset allocation figured out beforehand because the software doesn't help much with deciding what goes where.
I just went through this exact same situation when I sold my consulting firm last year. The key thing that helped me was understanding that you need to treat this as an asset sale, not a stock sale, which means each component of your business gets reported differently. For your client list and goodwill (the intangible value you built up over 8 years), these qualify as Section 197 intangibles and should be reported on Form 4797 Part I since you held them for more than a year. This gives you long-term capital gains treatment, which is much better than ordinary income rates. The installment sale aspect is important too - you'll definitely need Form 6252 to report the payments you'll receive over the next two years. This lets you spread out the tax liability rather than paying it all upfront on the 70% you received. One thing that caught me off guard was Form 8594 (Asset Acquisition Statement) - both you and the buyer need to file this with consistent asset allocations. Make sure your purchase agreement specifies how the sale price is allocated across different asset categories, or you might run into issues later. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help for this if you can. The classification of assets can make a huge difference in your tax bill, and there are specific rules about what qualifies for capital gains vs ordinary income treatment that aren't always intuitive.
This is incredibly helpful! I'm just starting to research this topic as I'm considering selling my small marketing agency next year. Can you clarify what you mean by "Section 197 intangibles"? I keep seeing this term but I'm not sure exactly what qualifies. Also, when you mention that the purchase agreement should specify asset allocations - is this something that needs to be done during negotiations, or can it be figured out later? I want to make sure I don't miss anything important in the sale process.
If your cousin ever resurfaces and pays you back after you've claimed the bad debt deduction, you'll need to report that as income in the year you receive it (to the extent you received a tax benefit from the deduction). Just something to keep in mind.
Is there a time limit on this? Like if the cousin shows up 10 years later, do you still have to report it?
This happened to me! I claimed a bad debt from my ex-business partner and then 3 years later they paid me back unexpectedly. Had to include it on my taxes that year and it messed up my expected refund :
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - lent money to a family member who disappeared. One thing I learned from my tax preparer is that you should also keep records of any attempts to locate the debtor, not just collect from them. Screenshots of failed texts, returned mail, even notes about conversations with mutual contacts can help establish that the debt truly became uncollectible. Also, make sure you have clear documentation that this was actually a loan and not a gift. Bank records showing the transfer, any written agreements (even informal ones), and evidence that repayment was expected are crucial. The IRS sometimes challenges these deductions by claiming they were really gifts to family members. Having that promissory note you mentioned puts you in a much better position than most people in this situation.
This is really helpful advice about documentation! I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation where I lent $3,000 to a friend who has since moved states and stopped responding. I have the Venmo transfer records and some text messages where we discussed repayment terms, but I'm worried it's not formal enough. Do you think screenshots of Venmo transactions with notes like "loan repayment due next month" would be sufficient documentation for the IRS? I'm kicking myself for not getting something more official in writing, but at the time I trusted this person completely. Also, should I wait until I've exhausted all possible ways to contact them before claiming it as a bad debt, or is there a reasonable timeframe where I can determine it's uncollectible?
Has anyone else noticed that the K-1 equivalent info from DST investments sometimes doesn't match up with the 1099-MISC? My DST sponsor sends a "Tax Information Statement" that shows different amounts than what's on my 1099. Confused about which numbers to use on my Schedule E.
The 1099-MISC only shows the gross rental income. The Tax Information Statement breaks down all the income AND expenses including depreciation, property management fees, mortgage interest, etc. You need to use BOTH - report the 1099-MISC income on Schedule E, then deduct all the expenses shown on the Tax Statement on the appropriate lines of Schedule E.
Just wanted to add my experience with DST passive losses since I see a lot of confusion here. I've been invested in DSTs for about 4 years now and initially made the mistake of not properly tracking my suspended passive losses year over year. The key thing to understand is that these losses accumulate on Form 8582 if you don't have other passive income to offset them against. I learned this when I finally sold one of my DST interests and suddenly had a huge passive loss carryforward that I could finally use - it saved me thousands in taxes on the gain from the sale. Make sure you're keeping detailed records of your annual passive losses from each DST investment. When you eventually dispose of a DST interest (whether through sale or exchange), all those accumulated losses become deductible against any type of income, not just passive income. It's actually a pretty powerful tax planning tool once you understand how it works over the long term. Also, don't forget that if you do a 1031 exchange from your DST into another investment, the passive losses stay with you and continue to accumulate. Only an actual taxable sale triggers the release of all those suspended losses.
This is really helpful info about tracking passive losses over time! I'm just getting started with my first DST investment this year and honestly hadn't thought about the long-term implications. When you mention keeping "detailed records" - what specific documentation should I be saving beyond the annual tax statements? Also, you mentioned that a 1031 exchange keeps the passive losses but a sale releases them - does that mean if I'm planning to build a portfolio of DST investments over time, I should consider the timing of any sales carefully to maximize the benefit of releasing those accumulated losses?
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if you might have been eligible for those contributions after all! I thought I had made excess Roth contributions for two years, but when I reviewed my tax returns more carefully, I realized my MAGI calculation was wrong. I had included some one-time items that shouldn't have been in the calculation, and I was actually under the limit for those years. Worth double-checking your MAGI calculation before going through the hassle of removing excess contributions. The definition of MAGI for Roth IRA purposes is pretty specific.
This is actually super helpful. What specific items don't count toward MAGI for Roth contribution purposes? I'm wondering if I might have made the same mistake in my calculations.
Great point! For Roth IRA purposes, MAGI is your adjusted gross income with certain deductions added back. Some key items that get added back include traditional IRA deductions, student loan interest deduction, tuition and fees deduction, and foreign earned income exclusion. But things like one-time capital gains, certain retirement distributions, or unemployment compensation might have inflated your MAGI calculation if you weren't careful about what actually counts. The IRS Publication 590-A has the complete list of what gets included in the MAGI calculation for Roth eligibility.
I went through this exact situation last year and want to emphasize how important it is to act quickly once you discover the excess contribution. The 6% penalty compounds year after year, so even though it seems small, it really adds up over time. One thing that caught me off guard was that when you remove the excess contribution, you also have to remove any earnings attributed to that excess amount. My IRA custodian had to do a specific calculation to determine what portion of my account's growth was tied to the excess contribution - it's not something you can easily calculate yourself. Also, make sure you specifically request a "return of excess contribution" from your custodian rather than just a regular withdrawal. The tax treatment is different, and you want it properly coded on the 1099-R they'll send you. The whole process took about 3 weeks from when I contacted them to when the money was removed from my account. Don't wait for the IRS to contact you - their automated systems will eventually flag this, and it's much better to be proactive about fixing it!
Drake
Great question about tax gain harvesting! I did this exact strategy last year when my income was low. Just want to emphasize a few key points that have been mentioned: 1. You can indeed buy back immediately - there's no waiting period for gains like there is for losses (wash sale rule) 2. The gain is locked in the moment you sell, regardless of when you repurchase 3. Make sure you're only doing this with long-term holdings (over 1 year) to qualify for the 0% capital gains rate One thing I'd add is to be strategic about which specific lots you're selling if you have multiple purchases of the same stock. You can use "specific identification" to choose exactly which shares to sell to maximize your tax benefit. Also, don't forget to factor in any transaction fees - while the tax savings are great, make sure the brokerage fees don't eat into your benefits too much. Good luck with your harvesting strategy! It's a smart move to take advantage of your low income year.
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FireflyDreams
β’Thanks for the additional tips! The specific identification strategy is something I hadn't thought about. If I have multiple purchases of the same stock at different prices, can I choose to sell just the lots with the highest gains to maximize my tax harvesting? Or would that create any complications? Also, regarding transaction fees - most brokerages have eliminated commission fees for stock trades now, but are there any other hidden costs I should watch out for when doing this strategy?
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CosmosCaptain
β’Yes, you can absolutely use specific identification to sell the lots with the highest gains! This is actually one of the most powerful aspects of tax gain harvesting. You just need to specify to your broker which exact shares you're selling (usually by purchase date and price) before executing the trade. Most online brokers have tools that let you select specific lots when placing sell orders. This won't create any complications - it's a completely legitimate tax strategy. Just make sure to keep good records of which lots you sold in case the IRS ever asks for documentation. You're right that most major brokers have eliminated stock trading commissions, but there are still a few potential costs to watch for: - Some brokers still charge fees for penny stocks or over-the-counter trades - Foreign transaction fees if you're trading international stocks - Bid-ask spreads (not technically a fee, but can impact your net proceeds) For most standard stock and ETF trades at major brokers like Fidelity, Schwab, or Vanguard, you shouldn't have any fees that would meaningfully impact your harvesting strategy. The tax savings will far outweigh any minor spread costs.
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SebastiΓ‘n Stevens
One additional consideration that might be helpful - if you're planning to do this regularly (not just this year), you might want to keep a spreadsheet tracking your cost basis adjustments. Each time you sell and rebuy, you're establishing a new cost basis for those shares, which will affect future tax calculations. For example, if you bought Stock XYZ at $50, it's now worth $80, and you sell and rebuy at $80, your new cost basis becomes $80. This "steps up" your basis and could reduce future capital gains when you eventually sell for good. Also, since you mentioned your income is around $22,000, you're well within the 0% bracket (which goes up to $44,625 for single filers in 2024), so you have plenty of room to harvest gains. Just make sure to account for any other income sources you might have throughout the year that could push you over that threshold. The strategy you're considering is really smart - taking advantage of low income years to realize gains tax-free is one of the best tax optimization moves you can make!
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Malik Johnson
β’This is really helpful advice about tracking cost basis! I hadn't thought about how the "step up" in basis could benefit me in future years. So essentially, by doing this tax gain harvesting now, I'm not only getting the 0% tax treatment this year, but I'm also resetting my cost basis higher for future sales - that's like a double benefit! Quick question about the income threshold - when you mention the $44,625 limit for single filers, does that include the capital gains themselves? So if I have $22,000 in regular income and harvest $20,000 in capital gains, would my total be $42,000 and still qualify for the 0% rate? Or do capital gains get calculated separately? Also, do you have any recommendations for simple spreadsheet templates to track these basis adjustments? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly for future reference.
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