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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm trying to figure out where exactly to enter the prorated amounts. The interface is confusing me - when I enter my property tax on the rental screen, it doesn't seem to ask about partial year use.
TurboTax doesn't directly ask about proration - you need to do the math yourself before entering. When it asks for "property taxes paid" on the rental property screens, just enter the prorated amount for the rental period. Don't enter the full year amount and expect the software to figure out the split. Calculate what portion applies to the rental period and enter only that amount.
This is such a common confusion point! I went through the same thing when I converted my primary residence to a rental mid-year. You're absolutely correct to prorate - only include the property taxes for July through December on Schedule E. One thing I learned the hard way is to keep really good records of the conversion date and your calculation method. I created a simple spreadsheet showing the total annual property tax, the rental period (6 months out of 12), and the prorated amount. This documentation came in handy when my CPA reviewed my return. Also, if you're in a state where property taxes are paid in arrears or have weird billing cycles, make sure you're matching the payment date to the period it covers. Some areas bill for the previous year, which can create additional complexity in your first year as a landlord. The lack of explanation for Line 16 in the instructions is frustrating, but you're thinking about it the right way!
Thanks for sharing your experience! The spreadsheet documentation tip is really helpful - I'm definitely going to create something similar to track my calculations. Quick question about the payment timing issue you mentioned - my property taxes are due twice a year (January and July), and I converted to rental in July. The January payment I made while living there covered January-June, and the July payment covers July-December. So it sounds like only the July payment would go on Schedule E, right? Want to make sure I'm understanding the timing aspect correctly before I finalize everything.
Great question about S Corp conversion! I made this transition two years ago when my consulting income hit $450k and it was absolutely worth it. Here are some practical insights from my experience: **State Choice**: Between Colorado and Minnesota, Colorado generally has more favorable business tax rates. But since you're spending significant time in both states, you'll likely need to file returns in both regardless of where you incorporate. Consider consulting with a tax professional who understands multi-state tax issues. **Professional Team**: You'll definitely want to upgrade from just a tax preparer. I'd recommend: - A CPA experienced with S Corps (not just general tax prep) - Payroll service like Gusto or ADP (makes quarterly payroll much easier) - QuickBooks or similar for clean bookkeeping - Consider an attorney for initial setup if your situation is complex **Reasonable Salary**: For $520k revenue in tech consulting, depending on your profit margins, a salary in the $180-220k range would likely be defensible. The IRS looks at what someone with your skills and responsibilities would earn as an employee. Your CPA can help determine the sweet spot. **Additional Benefits**: Beyond SE tax savings, you'll get better retirement plan options (Solo 401k with higher contribution limits), potential health insurance deductions, and cleaner business/personal separation. One tip: Start the process now if you want S Corp treatment for 2024. The paperwork and IRS processing can take time, and you don't want to miss the election deadline. The administrative overhead is real but manageable with the right systems. At your income level, the tax savings should easily justify the additional costs and complexity.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the timeline - if I start the process now in late 2023, what's the earliest I could realistically have everything set up and running? I want to make sure I don't miss any deadlines but also want to be realistic about how long each step takes. Also, you mentioned Solo 401k with higher contribution limits - how much higher are we talking? I'm currently maxing out a SEP-IRA but if there are better retirement savings options available, that could be another significant benefit I hadn't considered.
Great question about timeline! If you start now, here's what you're looking at: **Timeline breakdown:** - Entity formation: 1-2 weeks (faster if you pay expedite fees) - EIN from IRS: Same day if you apply online, or 2-4 weeks by mail - S Corp election (Form 2553): File immediately after formation, but specify Jan 1, 2024 effective date - Bank account setup: 1-2 weeks after you have all docs - Payroll system setup: Few days once bank account is ready So realistically, you could have everything operational by early January 2024 if you start the process in the next few weeks. **Solo 401k vs SEP-IRA:** This is where S Corps really shine! For 2024: - SEP-IRA: Limited to 25% of compensation, max $69k - Solo 401k: $23k employee contribution + up to 25% employer contribution = potentially $92k total With your income level, you could easily hit that $92k max with a Solo 401k through your S Corp, versus being capped much lower with the SEP-IRA. That's potentially $20k+ more in tax-deferred retirement savings annually. The Solo 401k also allows loans and Roth conversions that SEP-IRAs don't offer. Definitely factor this into your ROI calculations - it could add another $5-7k in annual tax savings on top of the SE tax benefits.
One crucial aspect I haven't seen mentioned is the impact on your quarterly estimated taxes. When you transition to S Corp status, your estimated tax payment strategy changes significantly. As a 1099 contractor, you're probably making quarterly payments based on your entire net profit. With an S Corp, you'll need to: 1. **Payroll taxes**: These get withheld from your salary automatically through payroll 2. **Estimated taxes on distributions**: You'll still need quarterlies, but only on the distribution portion 3. **State considerations**: Both Colorado and Minnesota have different estimated payment requirements The timing can be tricky in your transition year. If you're starting S Corp treatment January 1, 2024, your Q1 2024 estimated payment (due April 15) needs to reflect your new structure, even though you might still be getting your payroll system fully operational. Also, with your multi-state situation, you'll likely need to make estimated payments to both states. Colorado requires estimates if you expect to owe $1,000+ in state tax, while Minnesota's threshold is $500+. I'd strongly recommend getting your CPA involved early in 2024 to recalculate your estimated payment amounts. The last thing you want is an underpayment penalty because you didn't adjust your quarterlies to match your new S Corp structure. The good news is that once you get through the first year, the quarterly rhythm becomes much more predictable and manageable.
This is definitely legitimate! I went through the exact same situation with Ticketmaster last month when I had to sell some Olivia Rodrigo tickets I couldn't use. Originally paid $295, could only get $105 back through their resale program, and they held up my payment until I provided my SSN. I was initially really skeptical too, but after researching it thoroughly, this is actually required by federal tax law. The IRS has tightened reporting requirements for payment platforms, so they have to collect SSNs from anyone they pay money to, regardless of amount or whether you made a profit. The good news is that since you're selling at a major loss ($330 vs $120), you won't owe any taxes on this transaction. In fact, you'll be able to report a $210 capital loss on Schedule D when you file your taxes, which could help offset other capital gains or even reduce your ordinary income by up to $3,000. My recommendation is to just provide the SSN and get your $120. Make sure to keep your original Ticketmaster receipt though - that's your crucial proof of the $330 cost basis. Even if you receive a 1099-K showing the $120 as "income," your receipt will demonstrate to the IRS that this was actually a substantial loss. I know it's frustrating to deal with tax paperwork when you're already getting hit with their terrible resale prices, but $120 is definitely better than forfeiting it entirely. The capital loss documentation might actually work in your favor come tax season!
As someone brand new to this community, I just want to say how incredibly helpful this entire discussion has been! I was dealing with almost the exact same situation - Ticketmaster requesting my SSN for a ticket resale where I'm taking a loss - and I was really worried it was some kind of scam. Reading through everyone's real experiences with Olivia Rodrigo, Hamilton, Taylor Swift, and other concert tickets has completely reassured me that this is legitimate federal tax compliance. The consistency across all these different situations and platforms really drives home that this is just the new reality of payment reporting. I'm particularly grateful for the detailed explanations about Schedule D and capital loss reporting - I had no idea that losing money on tickets could actually create a tax benefit through the capital loss deduction. That definitely takes some of the sting out of getting ripped off by their resale prices! I'm definitely going to provide my SSN and make sure to keep all my documentation organized. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this community is amazing for helping newcomers understand these confusing tax situations!
I had this exact same experience with Ticketmaster about 2 months ago! Sold some Ed Sheeran tickets I couldn't use - paid $385 originally, got $145 back through their resale program. I was really suspicious about the SSN request too, especially since I was already losing so much money. After doing a bunch of research and even talking to a CPA friend, I can confirm this is 100% legitimate. It's not Ticketmaster being extra shady - they're actually required by federal tax law to collect SSNs for anyone they pay, regardless of the amount. The IRS has really tightened up payment reporting requirements for platforms like this. The silver lining is that your $210 loss ($330 - $120) will actually work in your favor tax-wise. You'll report this on Schedule D as a capital loss, which can offset other capital gains you might have or reduce your ordinary income by up to $3,000 per year. My advice: just give them your SSN and take the $120. Keep that original purchase receipt though - it's absolutely crucial for proving your $330 cost basis to the IRS. Even if you get a 1099-K showing the $120 as income, your receipt proves this was actually a loss. I know it's frustrating to deal with tax paperwork when you're already getting screwed by their resale prices, but $120 is definitely better than nothing, and documenting the loss properly might actually help you come tax time!
As a newcomer to this community, I really appreciate you sharing your Ed Sheeran ticket experience! I've been reading through this entire thread and it's been so helpful to see so many real examples of people dealing with this exact SSN request situation across different artists and platforms. Your point about talking to a CPA friend really adds credibility to what everyone else has been saying about this being legitimate federal tax compliance. I was initially really suspicious too, but seeing the consistent experiences from Hamilton tickets to Taylor Swift to Ed Sheeran really shows this is just how payment reporting works now. The fact that you mentioned the $3,000 annual deduction for capital losses is really valuable - I hadn't fully understood that benefit until reading through these responses. It definitely helps offset some of the frustration of getting such terrible resale prices from Ticketmaster! I think I'm convinced to provide my SSN and keep all my documentation organized. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience - it really helps newcomers like me feel confident about navigating these confusing tax situations!
I'm new to this community and currently going through RIVO status myself, so this thread has been incredibly helpful! I filed in early March and have been stuck in this status for about 3 weeks now. Like everyone else has mentioned, I was initially really worried that I had made some error on my return. What's been most reassuring is learning that RIVO stands for Return Integrity Verification Operation and is basically an automated system that cross-checks our returns against their databases for fraud prevention. The 40% increase in RIVO cases this year that was mentioned earlier really explains why so many of us are dealing with this for the first time! I took the advice here and set up my IRS online account to check my transcript - you're all absolutely right that it provides way more detail than the "Where's My Refund" tool. I can see the 570 hold code on my account, so now I know to watch for that 571 release code. Based on all the timelines shared here, it sounds like most people see resolution within 6-8 weeks, so I'm hoping to see movement in the next few weeks. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, especially when you're counting on that money, but knowing this is just standard verification makes it much more bearable. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's such a relief to know we're not alone in this process and that patience really is the key here!
I'm new to this community and currently experiencing RIVO status myself! I filed my return in mid-February and have been stuck in this status for about 5 weeks now. Like so many others have shared, I was initially really anxious thinking I had made some mistake on my return. This entire thread has been incredibly educational and reassuring. Learning that RIVO stands for Return Integrity Verification Operation and is essentially their automated fraud prevention system that cross-checks our information against their databases really helps explain what's happening. That 40% increase in RIVO cases this year that someone mentioned really puts into perspective why so many of us are encountering this for the first time! I followed everyone's advice and set up my IRS online account to check my transcript - you're all absolutely right that it shows much more detailed information than the basic "Where's My Refund" tool. I can see the 570 hold code on my account and now I'm watching for that 571 release code that everyone mentions indicates when the hold gets lifted. At 5 weeks, I'm hoping to see some movement soon based on all the timelines people have shared here. The uncertainty is definitely the most challenging part, especially when you're planning around receiving that refund. But knowing this is just standard verification and that most people receive their full refund amount with no adjustments makes the waiting period much more manageable. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their experiences and timelines - it's such a comfort knowing we're not alone in this process and that patience really is the main thing required here!
Lily Young
Great thread! I'm in a similar situation this year. One thing I'd add is to make sure you factor in the opportunity cost of tying up your credit limits when doing these large tax payments. I learned this the hard way last year when I put $25k on my Amex Gold and then couldn't use it for regular spending while waiting for the payment to process. Had to use my backup cards which didn't have any bonuses running. Also, for anyone considering the Chase cards mentioned here - be aware of Chase's 5/24 rule if you've opened a lot of cards recently. I got denied for the Sapphire Reserve because I had opened 6 cards in the past 24 months, even though my credit score was excellent. One more tip: if you're planning to do this again next year, consider setting calendar reminders to apply for new cards in January/February so you have them ready by April. The application-to-approval process can take weeks, especially for business cards.
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Emily Parker
ā¢This is such valuable advice! The credit limit issue is something I never would have thought about. I'm planning to put about $15k on a new card and you're right - that would basically max out most cards and leave me scrambling for everyday purchases. The 5/24 rule is also a great callout. I've been pretty aggressive with card applications over the past year so I should probably check where I stand before applying for any Chase products. Do you know if business cards from other issuers count toward the 5/24 limit, or is it just personal cards? And definitely setting those calendar reminders now! Nothing worse than realizing in March that you needed to apply months ago.
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Pedro Sawyer
One strategy that's worked really well for me is stacking credit card sign-up bonuses with business cards that have higher spending thresholds. The Chase Ink Business Cash has a $750 bonus after $7,500 spend (perfect for larger tax bills), and business cards often don't count toward personal credit utilization. I'd also recommend the American Express Business Gold - they frequently run elevated offers of 90,000+ points after $10k spend. The annual fee is higher but the earning potential is massive if you have a big enough tax liability. Pro tip: Some business cards let you request credit limit increases before you make the large purchase, which helps with the utilization issue that others mentioned. I called Amex before my tax payment last year and they bumped my limit from $15k to $35k on the spot, no hard pull required. Just make sure you can legitimately apply for business cards - even a small side hustle or freelance income qualifies you as a "business" in most issuers' eyes.
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