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This entire discussion has been absolutely fascinating and honestly pretty scary as someone who buys scratch tickets regularly! I had no idea the tax situation was this brutal. What really gets me is how the lottery system seems almost designed to mislead people. Like, they advertise "$2 MILLION WINNER!" in huge letters on the ticket, but nowhere does it mention that you might actually only get $700k after taxes and the lump sum reduction. That feels pretty deceptive to me. I'm definitely going to be more strategic about this going forward. The advice about keeping detailed records throughout the year and using tools like taxr.ai to calculate the real impact makes so much sense. And @Maya Jackson's rule about assuming you'll only keep 60% of any big win is something I'm going to remember. One question I have - for those smaller wins like $1,000-$5,000, is it worth getting professional tax help, or are the online calculators sufficient at those levels? I'm trying to figure out where the threshold is for when you really need to bring in an accountant vs. handling it yourself. Thanks everyone for sharing your real experiences - this is the kind of practical information that should honestly be required reading before you can buy a lottery ticket!
Great question about when to get professional help! From what I've learned in this thread, for wins in the $1,000-$5,000 range, the online calculators like taxr.ai are probably sufficient for most people. The tax situation is relatively straightforward at those levels - you'll owe your marginal tax rate on the winnings, and the withholding (if any) is usually close to what you'll actually owe. I'd say the threshold for professional help is probably around $10,000+ or if you have a complicated tax situation already (like multiple income sources, business ownership, etc.). At that point, the potential tax savings and peace of mind from professional advice can justify the cost. You're absolutely right about the misleading advertising though. It really should be illegal to advertise jackpot amounts without clearly showing the after-tax, lump-sum reality right next to it. The current system basically tricks people into thinking they're playing for amounts that are way higher than what they'd actually receive. I'm in the same boat as you - this thread has completely changed how I think about playing the lottery. The 60% rule is going to stick with me too!
This thread has been incredibly enlightening! As someone who occasionally plays the lottery, I never fully grasped how devastating the tax implications could be until reading through everyone's real experiences here. What really strikes me is how the system seems set up to create false expectations. When you see "$2 MILLION JACKPOT" plastered everywhere, your brain naturally thinks "wow, $2 million!" - not "well, maybe $700k after taxes and lump sum reduction." The psychological impact of that marketing versus reality must be crushing for actual winners. The practical advice shared here is invaluable though. @Maya Jackson's 60% rule, keeping detailed gambling records throughout the year, and using tools like taxr.ai for accurate calculations - these are the kinds of tips that should honestly be mandatory education for anyone buying lottery tickets. I'm also amazed by how many people shared stories about struggling to reach the IRS for guidance, and how services like claimyr.com can actually get you through to a real person. The fact that winners are largely left to figure out complex tax implications on their own seems like a major gap in the system. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences so openly. This discussion should be required reading for anyone who plays regularly!
I faced this exact same issue when I was temporarily in the UK for work. The 844 number is indeed geoblocked, which is incredibly frustrating for US taxpayers abroad. Here's what I found worked: I used WhatsApp calling with a US-based VPN connection. The combination of the VPN (I used ExpressVPN) plus WhatsApp's calling feature bypassed the geographic restrictions. Make sure to connect to a US server first, then place the call through WhatsApp. Another option that worked for a colleague was using a callback service like CallHippo, which provides a US number that forwards to your international line. You call their US number, it connects you to the IRS line, and any callbacks go to your actual phone. One important tip: when you do get through, explain your situation to the IRS rep. Many are understanding about international callers and some can note in your file that future contacts should accommodate your international status. Also ask if your specific issue can be handled via mail or fax instead - sometimes an in-person appointment isn't actually required despite what their initial automated system suggests. The whole system needs an overhaul for expat taxpayers, but these workarounds have helped me and others navigate it successfully.
This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping to find! I'm currently in Canada dealing with this same issue and hadn't thought about using WhatsApp calling with a VPN. Quick question - did you have any issues with call quality or dropped connections using that method? I've had mixed experiences with VPN calling in the past. Also, the CallHippo suggestion is intriguing - do you remember roughly what that service cost? I'm willing to pay a reasonable fee if it means actually getting through to schedule my appointment.
I'm currently dealing with this exact same situation from Montreal! After reading through all these suggestions, I ended up trying the Google Voice method that several people mentioned. Here's my experience: I set up Google Voice about 2 weeks ago using a VPN connected to a US server, and it worked perfectly for calling the IRS appointment line. The call quality was crystal clear and I was able to schedule my appointment for next month when I'll be back in the States. A few important details for anyone trying this approach: - Make sure to verify your Google Voice number while you're still connected to the US VPN - I had to add $10 in calling credit even though it's supposed to be free for US calls - The IRS rep was completely unaware I was calling from Canada - the system showed a regular US number One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned yet: if you're planning to return to the US within the next 60 days, you can also try explaining your situation to the IRS International line (+1-267-941-1000) and ask if they can schedule the appointment on your behalf. They can't do it directly, but some reps have been helpful in facilitating a warm transfer to the domestic appointment line. The whole system is definitely broken for expats, but at least there are workarounds that actually work!
Thanks for sharing your detailed experience with Google Voice! This is super encouraging to hear since I've been hesitant to try the VPN approach. Quick question - when you say you had to add $10 in calling credit even though it should be free, did that end up getting used during your call to the IRS, or is it still sitting in your account? I'm trying to budget for this whole process and want to know if I should expect ongoing costs or if it's just a one-time setup thing. Also, really smart tip about the warm transfer from the International line - I hadn't considered that as a potential pathway.
I went through this exact situation with my consulting LLC last year. The short answer is no - multi-member LLCs cannot be treated as disregarded entities under any circumstances. The IRS is very clear that disregarded entity status is only available for single-member LLCs. Your default classification is partnership taxation (Form 1065), but you're absolutely right to explore other options. At your income level, an S-Corp election could save you significant money on self-employment taxes. Here's what I learned: 1. With partnership taxation, both members pay self-employment tax on their entire share of profits 2. With S-Corp election, you only pay employment taxes on reasonable salaries, not on distributions For a $125k business, if you each took $40k salaries and split the remaining $45k as distributions, you'd save about $3,400 in SE taxes annually (15.3% Ć $45k). The tradeoff is quarterly payroll filings and more complex bookkeeping. I'd strongly recommend running the numbers with a CPA before deciding. The breakeven point where S-Corp election makes sense is usually around $60-80k in profits, so you're definitely in the range where it could be beneficial.
This is really helpful, especially the specific numbers breakdown! I'm curious though - when you say "reasonable salaries," how do you determine what's actually reasonable? Is there a specific formula or percentage the IRS expects, or is it more subjective? Also, did you find that the quarterly payroll filings were manageable to do yourself, or did you need to hire a payroll service? I'm trying to weigh the compliance burden against the potential tax savings.
Great question about reasonable salaries! The IRS doesn't provide a specific formula, but they generally expect salaries to be comparable to what you'd pay an employee doing similar work in your geographic area. I used salary data from sites like Glassdoor and PayScale for marketing professionals in my area. As a rule of thumb, many tax professionals suggest 60-70% of net profits as salary, but it really depends on your role and local market rates. The key is being able to defend your decision if audited. For payroll, I initially tried doing it myself using QuickBooks Payroll, which costs about $45/month for two employees. It's definitely manageable - you just need to run payroll each pay period and file quarterly forms (941 and state equivalents). The software handles most of the calculations and filings automatically. If you're not comfortable with it, payroll services like Gusto or ADP run about $80-120/month but handle everything for you. Given your projected savings, either option would still leave you significantly ahead financially.
Based on everyone's helpful responses here, I wanted to share what we ended up deciding for our multi-member LLC situation. After running the numbers and consulting with our CPA, we're moving forward with the S-Corp election since we're projected to hit $125k this year. The key factors that convinced us were: 1) The potential SE tax savings of around $3,500-4,000 annually at our income level, 2) The fact that we can keep our LLC structure and just change the tax classification, and 3) Our CPA confirmed that reasonable salaries for marketing professionals in our area would be around $45k each, leaving $35k in distributions that wouldn't be subject to SE taxes. We're planning to use QuickBooks Payroll to handle the compliance side since it's much cheaper than hiring a payroll service at our size. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it really helped us make an informed decision! Will report back in a year with how it actually worked out in practice.
That sounds like a solid decision! I'm in a similar situation with my business partner - we're running a small consulting firm and have been debating between staying with partnership taxation or making the S-Corp election. Your breakdown of $45k salaries with the remaining as distributions is really helpful as a reference point. One question: did your CPA mention anything about the timing of when to file Form 2553 for the S-Corp election? I've heard there are specific deadlines you need to meet for it to be effective for the current tax year, and I want to make sure we don't miss any important cutoff dates if we decide to go this route. Also, would love to hear how the QuickBooks Payroll experience goes - we've been hesitant about managing payroll ourselves but the cost savings compared to a full service make it tempting.
Great timing on your question about Form 2553 deadlines! Yes, timing is absolutely crucial - you generally need to file Form 2553 within 2 months and 15 days of the beginning of the tax year you want the election to be effective. So for 2025, that deadline would be March 15, 2025. If you miss that deadline, the election typically becomes effective for the following tax year. However, there's also the "reasonable cause" provision where the IRS may accept late elections if you can show good cause, but it's much better to file on time. Since we're already past the 2025 deadline, we'll be electing S-Corp status effective January 1, 2026. One thing our CPA emphasized is that you also need to make sure all LLC members consent to the election, and if you have any ineligible shareholders (like non-resident aliens or certain trusts), you can't make the S-Corp election at all. Fortunately, that wasn't an issue for us. I'll definitely update on the QuickBooks Payroll experience - so far the setup process has been pretty straightforward, and their customer support has been helpful with the initial questions about tax deposits and reporting requirements.
I went through something very similar last year and can totally understand the panic you're feeling right now! The good news is that what you're describing has several classic signs of a scam. Here's what really stands out to me: legitimate tax collection follows a very predictable pattern. You would have received multiple notices directly from the IRS or your state tax agency BEFORE any third-party collection agency ever gets involved. The fact that you've always filed on time, gotten refunds, and never received a single prior notice makes this extremely suspicious. A few immediate things to check: - Look up "Revenue Recovery Solutions" on the IRS website's list of authorized private collection agencies - I suspect you won't find them there - Check if the letter has proper debt validation disclosures required by federal law - See if they're demanding immediate payment without offering dispute rights Don't let that 15-day deadline pressure you into doing anything hasty. Real tax agencies give you much more time and multiple opportunities to respond. Take a deep breath, and start by calling your state tax department directly using the number from their official website (NOT any number from that letter) to verify if you actually owe anything. You're being smart by asking questions before taking action. Most people who fall for these scams act quickly out of fear, which is exactly what the scammers are counting on!
This is such helpful advice! I'm definitely going to check that IRS authorized collection agency list first thing. You're absolutely right about the timeline being suspicious - it really doesn't make sense that I would go from never receiving any notices to suddenly being in collections. I'm feeling much calmer now after reading everyone's responses. It's clear that legitimate tax debt doesn't just appear out of nowhere like this. The 15-day pressure deadline was really getting to me, but you're right that real agencies give you much more time to respond. I'm planning to call my state tax department Monday morning using their official website number, then pull my IRS transcripts to verify everything. If this is a scam like it seems to be, I'll make sure to report it to all the agencies people mentioned - FTC, state AG, and TIGTA. Thank you so much for taking the time to walk through those red flags. It really helps to have experienced people confirm what seemed off about this whole situation!
I just want to add one more important point that I haven't seen mentioned yet - if this does turn out to be a legitimate debt (which seems very unlikely given your situation), you have specific rights under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA). Any legitimate collection agency MUST provide you with a written validation notice within 5 days of first contacting you. This notice must include: - The amount of the debt - The name of the original creditor (in this case, which tax agency) - A statement of your right to dispute the debt within 30 days - Information about what happens if you dispute The fact that you're being given only 15 days to respond and threatened with "enforcement actions" without proper validation disclosures is another huge red flag. Even if this were real, those tactics would be illegal under federal debt collection laws. Also, legitimate tax agencies typically offer payment plans and settlement options - they don't just demand full payment immediately. The aggressive, threatening tone you described is classic scammer behavior designed to bypass your logical thinking and make you act out of fear. You're absolutely doing the right thing by verifying everything first. Trust your instincts - this has scam written all over it!
Rajiv Kumar
Does anyone know if Schedule E passive losses are subject to the SALT cap limitation of $10,000? My tax guy says no because they're "below the line" deductions not itemized deductions, but I'm not 100% convinced.
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Aria Washington
ā¢Your tax guy is correct. The SALT (State And Local Tax) cap of $10,000 only applies to itemized deductions reported on Schedule A. Rental losses on Schedule E are business losses, not itemized deductions. They're reported as income (negative income in this case) and aren't subject to the SALT limitation. That's actually one advantage of rental property ownership - the property taxes on rentals bypass the SALT cap because they're business expenses.
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Diego Ramirez
Great question about Schedule E passive losses! I went through something similar last year with my rental property. One thing I'd suggest is double-checking that your preparer properly classified all your expenses. That $14,500 loss you mentioned - make sure the roof repair was correctly categorized. If it's truly a repair (fixing existing damage), it's fully deductible in the current year. But if it's considered an improvement (like upgrading to a better roof system), it might need to be capitalized and depreciated over time, which would reduce your current year loss. Also, since you're handling the property management yourself, make sure you're documenting your active participation hours. The IRS can be picky about this during audits. Keep records of time spent on tenant communications, property inspections, repair coordination, etc. With your AGI around $95,000, you should definitely qualify for the full $25,000 special allowance, so those losses should flow directly to your 1040 and offset your ordinary income. Just verify that your preparer didn't accidentally trigger any Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) requirements.
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Omar Fawaz
ā¢This is really helpful advice about documenting active participation! I never thought about keeping detailed records of time spent on property management activities. Regarding the roof repair classification - that's a great point. The $8,200 was specifically to replace damaged shingles and repair some structural damage from a storm, so it sounds like it should be treated as a repair rather than an improvement. But I should probably double-check with my preparer to make sure they categorized it correctly. Do you know if there's a specific threshold or test the IRS uses to distinguish between repairs and improvements? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could trigger an audit issue down the road.
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