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Does anyone know if tax software like TurboTax handles Section 1245 property sales correctly? I'm in a similar situation as the original poster but with about $31,000 of equipment I depreciated around $16,000 and need to sell for maybe $9,000-ish.

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Klaus Schmidt

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TurboTax does handle it, but it's not super intuitive. When you enter the sale of business assets, it will ask for your original purchase price, total depreciation taken, and sale price. It calculates everything correctly behind the scenes, but I found the questions somewhat confusing. I had to call their support line to make sure I was entering everything right for my equipment sale last year. If your situation is straightforward like you described, it should work fine though.

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Sunny Wang

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Just to add another perspective here - I went through this exact scenario last year with some manufacturing equipment. The key thing that helped me understand it was thinking about depreciation recapture as only applying to the "gain" portion of a sale. In your case, you have an adjusted basis of $13,500 ($27,000 original cost minus $13,500 depreciation taken). Since you're selling for $6,700, which is below your adjusted basis, there's literally no gain to recapture. The $6,800 difference ($13,500 - $6,700) becomes an ordinary business loss that you can deduct. Your buddy might be thinking of situations where people sell equipment for more than the depreciated value but less than the original purchase price. That's when you get into partial recapture scenarios. But in a straight loss situation like yours, no recapture applies. Make sure you keep all your depreciation schedules and purchase records handy when you file - you'll need them to properly complete Form 4797 for the asset sale.

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This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with business equipment sales and depreciation, so I appreciate the clear explanation about how the adjusted basis calculation works. One question - when you mention keeping depreciation schedules and purchase records for Form 4797, do you need to attach copies of these documents to your tax return, or just have them available in case of an audit? I want to make sure I'm organizing everything correctly for when I eventually need to sell some of my business assets. Also, is there a specific way the ordinary business loss from the equipment sale gets reported on the business tax return, or does it just flow through as part of the Form 4797 calculations?

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Dylan Mitchell

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This whole situation really illustrates how complex and sometimes unfair the tax system can be for seniors making life changes. Your aunt's case is a textbook example of how the MFS rules create a "tax trap" for Social Security recipients. The 85% taxation she's experiencing is correct under current law, but it's worth noting that this isn't necessarily the percentage of her Social Security that will actually be taxed - it's the maximum percentage that becomes "taxable income" subject to her regular tax rates. The actual tax impact depends on her overall tax bracket. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that your aunt might want to consider whether she has any other deductions or credits that could help offset this increased taxable income. Things like medical expenses, charitable donations, or other itemized deductions might provide some relief, though they'd need to exceed the standard deduction to be beneficial. For immediate help with her current situation, she might also want to check if she's having enough tax withheld from her Social Security payments or if she needs to make estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties next year. The IRS allows you to request voluntary withholding from Social Security benefits using Form W-4V. Going forward, this is definitely a situation where professional tax planning could save them significant money. The difference between MFS and MFJ could be substantial enough to justify the cost of professional help in navigating both spouses' tax situations together.

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PrinceJoe

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This is really helpful additional information! You make a great point about the difference between the percentage of Social Security that becomes "taxable income" versus the actual tax owed. I think many people (myself included) get confused and think that "85% taxation" means 85% of their Social Security gets taken away in taxes, when it's really just adding 85% of the benefits to their taxable income. The suggestion about Form W-4V for voluntary withholding is particularly useful. I imagine a lot of seniors get caught off guard by owing taxes on their Social Security when they're used to it being their "safe" income that doesn't create tax problems. Having taxes withheld upfront could help avoid that shock at tax time. Your point about professional tax planning being worth the cost really resonates too. When you're potentially talking about hundreds or thousands of dollars in tax differences between filing statuses, spending a few hundred on professional help seems like a smart investment. Plus, a tax professional might spot other opportunities for tax savings that the average person would miss. Thanks for adding this perspective - it's helpful to understand that even in this frustrating situation, there might still be some strategies available to minimize the overall impact.

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Finley Garrett

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This thread has been incredibly enlightening about Social Security taxation rules! Your aunt's situation is unfortunately a perfect storm of timing and tax code complexity. What really stands out to me is how those 21 days in December essentially created a year-long tax penalty. The MFS rules for Social Security recipients who lived with their spouse are genuinely harsh - that $0 threshold means there's basically no protection from the 85% taxation rate. I've been following all the suggestions here, and it seems like the consensus is clear: for 2024, your aunt and her husband really need to sit down together and run the numbers on joint vs. separate filing. Given that he's younger and not collecting Social Security yet, their combined income might actually keep them under the thresholds where only 50% of her Social Security would be taxable instead of 85%. One thing I'd add is that if her husband continues to be uncooperative about joint filing, your aunt might want to document this for future reference. If there are ongoing disagreements about tax strategy that are costing her significant money, this could become relevant for other financial planning decisions down the road. It's really unfortunate that people have to become tax experts just to navigate major life changes like remarriage, especially when they're on fixed incomes. The tax code shouldn't penalize seniors for finding companionship later in life, but unfortunately that's the reality of how these rules work.

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Paolo Rizzo

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You're absolutely right about this being a perfect storm of bad timing and complex tax rules. As someone who's new to understanding these Social Security taxation issues, this whole thread has been eye-opening about how harsh the system can be for seniors making life changes. What really gets me is how arbitrary the "lived together at any point during the year" rule seems. Your aunt gets penalized for 365 days because of 21 days in December - that just doesn't feel proportional to the actual situation. It makes you wonder if there should be some kind of prorated approach or minimum threshold of days lived together before these harsh rules kick in. The documentation suggestion is really smart too. If her husband keeps refusing to cooperate on tax planning that could save them both money, that's definitely something to keep track of. It shows a pattern of financial decision-making that could impact other aspects of their marriage and planning. I hope your aunt can find a way to work with her husband on this for next year. Nobody should have to choose between personal happiness and financial security, but unfortunately the tax code sometimes forces exactly that choice on people. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences here - this has been incredibly educational!

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Quick question - my brother is in a similar situation. Does anyone know if there's a statute of limitations on filing for an ITIN? He's been in the US for 4 years but never got one. Can he still apply now or is it too late?

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Jamal Brown

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There's no statute of limitations for applying for an ITIN! Your brother can apply anytime. However, ITINs do expire if not used on a tax return for 3 consecutive years. But for a new application, he can apply whenever needed.

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Emma Johnson

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This is exactly the kind of predatory practice that unfortunately targets people who don't speak English well. Your friend was likely taken advantage of by a tax preparer who filed an unnecessary return to generate fees. Since your friend's income is below the filing threshold and he just needed an ITIN (probably for banking), he most likely qualified for Exception 1(d) and shouldn't have had to file a tax return at all. The $839 "owed" is probably from a return that was filed incorrectly or unnecessarily. I'd strongly recommend your friend contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 1-877-777-4778 - they have multilingual support and can help sort this out for free. They can review what was filed and help determine if the tax bill is legitimate or if the return should be amended/canceled. Also, consider filing a complaint against the community center using Form 14157 if they deliberately filed an unnecessary return to generate fees. This kind of exploitation of immigrant communities needs to be reported. The good news is this situation can likely be resolved - your friend probably doesn't owe anything and can still get his ITIN through the proper exception process.

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This is really helpful advice! I had no idea about the Taxpayer Advocate Service having multilingual support. That sounds like exactly what my friend needs since the language barrier has been a huge part of this problem. Do you know if they can actually help cancel or amend returns that were filed incorrectly by these tax preparers? And roughly how long does that process usually take? My friend is really stressed about this $839 bill hanging over his head. Also, thank you for mentioning Form 14157 - I think we definitely need to report this place. They clearly took advantage of him not understanding the process.

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Thais Soares

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I think we're missing something obvious here. Maybe she just doesn't want to pay the fees or go through the hassle of the application? A friend of mine who's a tax preparer told me getting an EFIN requires fingerprinting, an in-person interview sometimes, and a bunch of documentation. Sounds like this lady might just be lazy and cutting corners rather than being unable to qualify.

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Nalani Liu

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But isn't that even worse? Cutting corners on federal requirements doesn't inspire confidence in her attention to detail for tax preparation. I'd be really concerned about having someone who knowingly bypasses IRS requirements handling my financial information and tax filing.

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Jamal Carter

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This whole situation raises red flags about the quality and ethics of this tax preparer's practice. As someone who's dealt with tax compliance issues before, I can tell you that the IRS takes EFIN violations very seriously - it's not just a technical violation, it's a breach of the entire electronic filing system's integrity. What concerns me most is that clients may not even realize their returns are being filed under fraudulent credentials. When tax season gets busy, people often don't pay close attention to the technical details on their forms. But if the IRS discovers this arrangement and investigates, those clients could face delays in processing their refunds, additional correspondence, or even audits through no fault of their own. The fact that she's been operating this way for 3 years suggests this isn't an oversight or temporary arrangement - it's a deliberate choice to circumvent IRS requirements. Whether it's because she can't qualify for her own EFIN or just doesn't want to go through the proper process, either scenario should make potential clients think twice about trusting her with their financial information. I'd strongly recommend anyone considering using her services to verify that their preparer has their own valid EFIN before handing over their tax documents.

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GalaxyGlider

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This is exactly right - I'm new to understanding tax preparation regulations, but this situation sounds really concerning from a client protection standpoint. If I were using a tax preparer, I'd want to know they're following all the proper procedures and have their own legitimate credentials. Is there an easy way for regular people to verify that their tax preparer has a valid EFIN? I imagine most clients just assume everything is legitimate and don't think to check these technical details. It seems like there should be some kind of database or verification system available to the public, especially since we're trusting these preparers with such sensitive financial information.

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Oliver Becker

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Great advice from everyone here! I'd also suggest asking the tax preparer about their professional liability insurance. Legitimate preparers typically carry errors and omissions (E&O) insurance to protect both themselves and their clients in case of mistakes. You can ask to see their insurance certificate or at least ask what company provides their coverage. If they don't have professional liability insurance or seem confused by the question, that's another red flag to consider. Also, be wary of preparers who guarantee huge refunds before even looking at your documents, ask you to sign blank forms, or want to deposit your refund into their own account. These are classic signs of fraudulent operations that having a valid PTIN won't protect you from. The strip mall location and lower prices really don't mean much - some of the best preparers I know operate small independent practices with very reasonable rates!

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This is really comprehensive advice! I hadn't thought about asking for professional liability insurance - that's brilliant. Quick question though - if they do have E&O insurance, is there a way to verify that it's actually active? Can you call the insurance company directly, or would that be overstepping? Also, you mentioned not signing blank forms - what about partially completed forms where they fill in some info later? The place I'm looking at said they'd need to complete some calculations after I leave, which seemed reasonable, but now I'm wondering if I should insist on reviewing everything before signing.

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Luca Ferrari

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@2d3087dd5b7a You can definitely verify active insurance coverage! Most insurance companies will confirm if a policy is current when you call and provide the policy number or business name. You're not overstepping at all - it's standard practice for clients to verify professional coverage, especially for financial services. Regarding partially completed forms - this is actually pretty normal for tax preparation. Many calculations need to be done after gathering all your information, and some forms can't be fully completed until the preparer runs everything through their software. However, you should ALWAYS review the completed return before signing it. Ask them to schedule a review appointment where you can go through every line of your return before you sign Form 8879 (the e-file authorization). Any legitimate preparer will encourage this - they want you to understand your return and catch any potential errors before filing. The key red flag would be if they ask you to sign the actual tax forms (like 1040) or Form 8879 while they're still blank or incomplete. Never do that under any circumstances.

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AstroAce

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One more verification step I'd recommend - check with your state's licensing board if your state requires tax preparers to be licensed or registered at the state level. Some states have additional requirements beyond just the federal PTIN. For example, California requires tax preparers to register with the California Tax Education Council (CTEC), and Oregon has its own licensing system. You can usually search these state databases online to verify if someone is in good standing. Also, trust your gut feeling about the interaction. Legitimate preparers should be patient with your questions about credentials and verification. If someone gets defensive or pushy when you ask about their PTIN, EFIN, insurance, or credentials, that's a red flag regardless of what their paperwork shows. The fact that you're being this thorough about vetting them shows you're being smart about protecting your personal information. Better to spend time upfront verifying than dealing with identity theft or filing errors later!

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Aisha Jackson

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This is such valuable advice about checking state licensing! I had no idea some states had their own requirements beyond the PTIN. I'm in Texas - does anyone know if Texas has additional licensing requirements for tax preparers? Also, you're absolutely right about trusting your gut. The preparer I was considering seemed a bit evasive when I first asked about credentials, but after reading all these responses, I think I should probably look elsewhere. There are clearly plenty of legitimate preparers out there who would be happy to answer all these verification questions upfront. Thanks everyone for all the detailed advice - this thread has been incredibly helpful! I feel much more confident now about what questions to ask and red flags to watch for.

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