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Zara Mirza

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Does anyone know how this works for older children? My son is 16 and he's gotten a job, plus has some investment income from his UTMA. Does having earned income change anything about using UTMA funds to pay the investment taxes?

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For a 16-year-old with both earned income and UTMA investment income, you can still use UTMA funds to pay the portion of taxes generated by the UTMA investments. However, you shouldn't use UTMA funds to pay taxes on his earned income from his job - that should come from his earnings. The presence of earned income does complicate the tax return slightly because it can affect how the kiddie tax is calculated. With earned income, your son might need to file his own return rather than having his investment income reported on your return.

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This is a great question that comes up more often than you'd think! As others have mentioned, you absolutely can withdraw from your daughter's UTMA account to pay taxes that were generated by the account's earnings. This is considered a legitimate expense for the minor's benefit. One thing I'd add is to make sure you're calculating the tax correctly for a 13-month-old. Since she has no earned income, all of her investment income will be subject to the kiddie tax rules. For 2024, the first $1,300 is tax-free, the next $1,300 is taxed at her rate (likely 10%), and anything over $2,600 gets taxed at your marginal rate. With $4,500 in taxes owed, it sounds like she had some substantial gains! Just double-check that you're not overpaying - sometimes people forget about the standard deduction for unearned income or miscalculate which bracket applies to which portion of the gains. When you make the withdrawal, definitely keep documentation showing it was used specifically for her tax obligation. Most custodial account providers are familiar with these types of withdrawals and shouldn't give you any trouble.

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Thanks for the detailed breakdown of the kiddie tax brackets! That's really helpful. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation with my 2-year-old's investment account. One question - when you say "anything over $2,600 gets taxed at your marginal rate," does that mean it gets added to my income for tax purposes, or is it calculated separately but just uses my tax rate? I'm trying to figure out if this will push me into a higher bracket overall.

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I've been helping people with IRS issues for years, and one thing that often gets overlooked is the browser's JavaScript settings. The IRS payment portal relies heavily on JavaScript for form validation and submission, and if your browser has strict JavaScript blocking (either through extensions like NoScript or built-in privacy settings), it can cause those generic error messages. Try temporarily disabling any ad blockers, privacy extensions, or script blockers while setting up your payment plan. Also, make sure your browser allows third-party cookies for the IRS site, as the payment system uses multiple subdomains that need to share session data. If you're still getting errors after trying all the technical fixes mentioned here, there's also the option to call the IRS Automated Phone System at 1-888-353-4537. It's not as user-friendly as the website, but it can sometimes process payment plan requests when the online system is having issues. You'll need your SSN, filing status, and the exact refund or amount owed from your return. The early morning timing tip is excellent advice - I always tell people to try between 6-8 AM EST when possible. The system definitely seems more stable during off-peak hours.

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This is really helpful advice about the JavaScript settings! I hadn't thought about browser extensions potentially interfering with the IRS site. I have uBlock Origin running pretty aggressively, so that could definitely be causing issues. Quick question about the automated phone system - does that 1-888-353-4537 number actually let you set up a payment plan, or does it just give you balance information? I've called IRS automated lines before and they usually just tell you your balance and payment due date, but don't let you actually make arrangements. Also, when you mention allowing third-party cookies for the IRS site, do you know if there's a way to whitelist just their domains rather than turning off all privacy protections? I'm pretty security-conscious and don't love the idea of completely disabling my ad blocker and privacy settings, even temporarily. Thanks for sharing your expertise - this thread has been incredibly helpful for troubleshooting these payment plan errors!

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Brian Downey

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Great questions! The automated phone system at 1-888-353-4537 actually does allow you to set up basic installment agreements, not just check balances. You'll go through a series of prompts where you can request a payment plan, though the options are more limited than what's available online. It works best for straightforward situations - if you have a complex tax situation or need specific plan terms, you'll likely get transferred to speak with an agent anyway. For the browser security settings, you can definitely whitelist specific domains rather than disabling everything. For the IRS payment system, you'll want to allow cookies and JavaScript for these domains: irs.gov, pay.gov, and treasury.gov. Most ad blockers like uBlock Origin let you temporarily disable blocking for specific sites - just click the uBlock icon and use the big power button to disable it for irs.gov while you're setting up your payment plan. You can also check your browser's site settings (in Chrome, click the lock icon next to the URL) and make sure JavaScript and cookies are allowed for the IRS site specifically. This way you keep your privacy protections intact for other sites. The key is being methodical about testing - try one change at a time so you know what actually fixes the issue!

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I've been following this thread and wanted to share another potential solution that worked for me last month. If you're still getting errors after trying all the browser troubleshooting steps, check if you have any pending correspondence or notices from the IRS in your online account. I was getting the same generic error messages when trying to set up a payment plan, and it turned out there was an unresolved notice about a minor discrepancy on my return that was blocking the payment plan system from working. Even though the notice wasn't related to my payment arrangement, the system wouldn't let me proceed until I acknowledged it. Log into your IRS online account (separate from the payment plan portal) and check if there are any alerts, notices, or required actions. If there are, you might need to respond to those first before the payment plan system will work properly. Also, just wanted to echo what others have said about the early morning timing - I finally got through at 6:15 AM on a Tuesday after failing for over a week trying during normal business hours. The system definitely seems less glitchy during off-peak times.

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NebulaNomad

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This is such a helpful insight about checking for pending notices! I never would have thought that an unrelated IRS notice could block the payment plan system from working. That explains why some people get these mysterious errors even when they've tried all the technical troubleshooting steps. For anyone reading this - how do you access your IRS online account to check for notices? Is that the same login as the payment plan system, or is it a completely separate account? I'm dealing with similar payment plan errors right now and want to make sure I'm not missing any pending correspondence that could be causing the problem. Also, when you say you had to "acknowledge" the notice, did you have to take any specific action or just click something to mark it as read? Really appreciate you sharing this - it's exactly the kind of non-obvious solution that could save people a lot of frustration!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a very similar situation working for a small community health center that's technically a non-profit. Like many others here, I was told during my hiring process to "keep track of mileage for taxes" without any mention that employee deductions were eliminated. What really strikes me is how this creates an unfair burden on non-profit employees compared to for-profit workers whose companies typically have established reimbursement policies. It feels like non-profits are inadvertently taking advantage of their mission-driven employees by expecting them to absorb costs that can't be deducted. I'm planning to use the strategies mentioned here - especially the "revenue neutral" approach and focusing just on mileage initially. Has anyone found it helpful to research what comparable organizations in their area are doing? I'm wondering if showing our board that similar non-profits already have reimbursement policies might help make the case that we're actually behind industry standards rather than asking for something unusual. Also, for those tracking mileage even without current reimbursement - are you using the business rate (67 cents) or a lower rate for your records? I want to make sure I'm documenting the full potential value even if I can't claim it now.

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Oliver Weber

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Absolutely use the full business rate (67 cents for 2025) in your records! Even though you can't deduct it now, you want to document the complete value for a few reasons: 1. If your non-profit does implement reimbursement, you'll have accurate records of what you're owed 2. If tax laws change after 2025 to restore employee deductions, you'll have proper documentation 3. It shows the true cost impact when you present your case to the board Your point about researching comparable organizations is spot-on. I'd suggest looking up the annual reports or financial statements of similar non-profits in your area - many post these online and sometimes include their expense reimbursement policies. You can also check GuideStar or Candid (formerly Foundation Directory Online) which often have detailed financial information about non-profits. When I made this argument to our board, I found three similar organizations in our city that all had mileage reimbursement policies, and that really helped frame it as "industry standard" rather than "new expense." The health center angle might actually work in your favor since healthcare organizations typically have very established compliance and documentation practices - you can tie proper expense reimbursement to overall operational professionalism. You're absolutely right that this creates an unfair burden. Mission-driven work shouldn't mean employees subsidize the organization's operations out of their own pockets!

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Thanks everyone for this thorough discussion! As someone who's worked in non-profit finance for over a decade, I can confirm that many organizations are indeed behind on updating their policies after the 2017 tax changes. For those planning to approach their boards about mileage reimbursement, here's an additional angle that often resonates: frame it as a compliance and liability issue. When non-profits don't reimburse business expenses that employees can't deduct, it can create problems with wage and hour compliance, especially for lower-paid staff who are essentially subsidizing business operations. Also, a practical tip for implementation: consider proposing a monthly mileage reimbursement process rather than reimbursing each trip individually. It reduces administrative burden while still providing the tax benefits. Most accounting software can handle this easily, and it's much simpler than processing dozens of small reimbursement requests. One last point - some non-profits worry about setting precedent for other expenses, but mileage is actually unique because there's a specific IRS rate and clear documentation standards. It's much easier to contain than other business expense categories. @Giovanni, definitely track at the business rate even if you can't get reimbursement immediately - having those records ready will make any policy change much smoother to implement!

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This is such valuable insight from someone with non-profit finance experience! The compliance and liability angle is brilliant - I hadn't thought about how unreimbursed business expenses could create wage and hour issues, especially for staff who might be close to minimum wage thresholds when you factor in the out-of-pocket costs. The monthly reimbursement suggestion is really practical too. Our organization currently processes expense reports quarterly, which creates cash flow issues for employees who have to wait months to get reimbursed for anything. A monthly mileage process would be much more manageable for everyone involved. I'm curious - when you've seen organizations implement these policies, do you typically recommend they make it retroactive for a certain period, or just start fresh going forward? I've been tracking mileage for about 8 months now thinking I could deduct it, so I have detailed records, but I don't want to make my initial proposal too complicated by asking for back-reimbursement. Also, have you found that boards are generally receptive once they understand the tax implications, or is there usually pushback about the budget impact even when you show it's revenue neutral?

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PaulineW

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This is a really comprehensive discussion! One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you're keeping good records throughout the year, not just scrambling at tax time. I learned this the hard way when I got audited. The IRS expects you to have documentation for every win AND loss you claim. This means screenshots of your betting slips, records of deposits/withdrawals, and ideally a running log of your activity. Most sportsbooks will let you download your transaction history, but some only keep it available for a limited time. Also, don't forget that if you're betting across state lines (like traveling to Vegas or using different state apps), you might have additional state tax implications depending on where you placed the bets versus where you live. Tax laws can get complicated quickly when multiple jurisdictions are involved. The key takeaway is that "unreported by sportsbooks" doesn't mean "unreported to the IRS" - those are two completely different things, and you're responsible for the latter regardless of the former.

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Jamal Wilson

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Great advice from everyone here! I'd also recommend looking into whether your state has any reciprocity agreements for gambling taxes. For example, if you live in one state but frequently bet in another (like driving to a neighboring state with legal sports betting), you might be able to avoid double taxation through tax credits. Also, one practical tip that saved me a lot of headache: set up a separate bank account just for gambling transactions. It makes record-keeping so much easier when everything gambling-related flows through one account. You can easily track your net position and have clean records if you ever get audited. The IRS has definitely been ramping up enforcement on gambling income lately, especially with the explosion of online sports betting. They're using sophisticated data matching techniques to identify unreported income, so it's really not worth the risk to try to fly under the radar. Better to be proactive and report everything correctly from the start.

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This is all super helpful information! As someone who's new to sports betting, I had no idea about the separate bank account strategy - that's brilliant. I've been mixing my gambling deposits and withdrawals with my regular spending and it's already becoming a nightmare to track. Quick question though - when you mention the IRS using "sophisticated data matching techniques," what exactly does that mean? Are they cross-referencing bank deposits with known gambling sites, or is it more about lifestyle audits where they notice unexplained income? I'm trying to understand how aggressive their enforcement actually is for smaller-scale bettors like myself. Also, does anyone know if there's a minimum threshold where the IRS typically starts paying attention? I know legally we're supposed to report everything, but practically speaking, are they really going after someone who made a few hundred dollars in sports betting profits?

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Remember that even though your HSA contributions may already be excluded from your taxable wages, you still need to fill out Form 8889 with your tax return. This form reconciles all your HSA contributions and distributions for the year. The code W in Box 12 tells you (and the IRS) how much was contributed to your HSA through your employer. You'll need this number when completing Form 8889. Most tax software will prompt you for this information and complete the form automatically.

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I went through this exact same confusion last year! The key thing to understand is that HSA contributions through payroll are handled differently than 401k contributions in terms of how they appear on your W2. Your HSA contributions are most likely already excluded from Box 1 (wages subject to federal income tax) if they're being processed through your employer's Section 125 cafeteria plan, which is standard. This means you're already getting the tax benefit - the reduction happened before your taxable wages were calculated. The code W in Box 12c is just informational, telling you and the IRS how much was contributed. It's not creating a deduction like the 401k code D does because the HSA deduction already happened at the payroll level. To verify everything is correct, compare your final pay stub's year-to-date gross income with Box 1 on your W2. The difference should equal all your pre-tax deductions combined (401k + HSA + health insurance + any other pre-tax items). You'll still need to report the HSA contributions on Form 8889 when you file, but you won't get an additional deduction since you already received the tax benefit through reduced wages.

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Darcy Moore

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I was getting confused by all the different codes and boxes on my W2, but your explanation makes it crystal clear. The comparison between HSA and 401k handling is particularly useful - I didn't realize they work so differently even though they're both pre-tax contributions. I'm definitely going to do that pay stub verification you mentioned. It's smart to double-check the math yourself rather than just trusting that everything was processed correctly. Thanks for taking the time to explain this so thoroughly!

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