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Mei Chen

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This exact same thing happened to me when I moved to Philadelphia for work! The stress of realizing your employer isn't handling city taxes is real, but you're catching it early which is good. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to check if your city has any first-time filer penalties or grace periods. Some municipalities in PA will waive penalties for your first year if you can show you made a good faith effort to comply once you discovered the issue. When I called my city tax office, they actually backdated my quarterly payment setup to avoid penalties since I contacted them within 30 days of starting the job. Also, keep detailed records of ALL your communications with HR about this. If they told you they "don't handle city tax withholding" in writing (email, etc.), save that. It can help show you were trying to do the right thing from the start if any questions come up later. The quarterly payment route everyone's suggesting is definitely the way to go. I set mine up to automatically deduct from my checking account so I don't have to remember the deadlines.

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This is such great advice about keeping records of HR communications! I wish I had thought of that when I was dealing with this issue. The automatic quarterly payments are a lifesaver too - I set mine up the same way and it's one less thing to worry about. @e7b7369ca681 Do you happen to know if the grace period thing applies to other PA cities besides Philadelphia? I'm in a smaller municipality and wondering if I should ask about that when I call them.

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Aidan Percy

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I'm dealing with something similar right now! My employer also doesn't withhold city taxes and I've been scrambling to figure out what to do. Thanks for asking this question because the responses here are super helpful. One thing I discovered that might help you - check if your city has an online payment portal. Mine does and I was able to set up a profile there to make my quarterly payments directly. They even send email reminders before each deadline which is nice since I'm terrible at remembering dates. Also, if you're really worried about penalties, you could always overpay slightly on your first quarter just to be safe. Better to get a small refund than owe money with penalties. I calculated mine based on my full annual salary even though I only started partway through the year, just to make sure I'm covered. The whole situation is stressful but it sounds like you're on the right track by addressing it now rather than waiting until tax season!

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Miguel Diaz

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Thanks for sharing your experience! The online portal tip is really helpful - I didn't even think to check if my city had one. I'm definitely going to look into that since it sounds way easier than trying to mail checks or call in payments every quarter. The overpaying strategy is smart too. I'd rather be safe and get a small refund than deal with penalty stress. Did you end up using any of the tools people mentioned here like taxr.ai or Claimyr to help figure out your calculations, or did you do it all manually?

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As someone who works in tax compliance, I want to add a crucial point that hasn't been mentioned yet: if you're going to claim massage therapy as a business expense, make sure you're consistent with how you treat ALL your health-related expenses. The IRS looks for patterns during audits. If you're deducting massages as business expenses but claiming other work-related health costs (like ergonomic equipment, supportive shoes, etc.) as medical expenses, it could raise red flags. Pick one classification strategy and stick with it across all similar expenses. Also, since you mentioned you're a hairdresser - if you rent a booth or chair rather than being a direct employee, you're likely self-employed and would have much better luck with the business expense route on Schedule C. Employee hairdressers have very limited options for unreimbursed employee expenses after the 2017 tax changes. Keep receipts, document the connection to your work, and consider having your chiropractor write a brief letter explaining how regular massage prevents work-related injuries in your specific profession. That documentation could be invaluable if you're ever questioned about these deductions.

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This is really helpful advice about consistency! I'm new to understanding tax deductions and wondering - if I'm an employee hairdresser (not booth rental), does that mean I basically can't deduct these massage expenses at all anymore? You mentioned the 2017 tax changes eliminated unreimbursed employee expenses - does that apply to all work-related health costs or just certain types? Also, when you say "pick one classification strategy," do you mean I should classify ALL my work-related health expenses as either business OR medical, but not mix them? Like if I choose to treat massages as medical expenses, then my ergonomic chair pad and special work shoes should also be medical expenses rather than trying to claim some as business costs?

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Omar Zaki

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@Andre Rousseau You re'correct - the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated the deduction for unreimbursed employee expenses for most workers through 2025. So if you re'a W-2 employee hairdresser not (self-employed ,)you generally cannot deduct work-related expenses like massages, tools, or uniforms on your federal return. However, some states still allow these deductions on state tax returns, so check your state s'rules. Your best bet as an employee might be to ask your employer about setting up a Health Savings Account HSA (or) Flexible Spending Account FSA (that) could potentially cover medically necessary massages with proper documentation. And yes, you should be consistent with classification. If you re'self-employed and choose to treat massages as business expenses, then other work-related health items ergonomic (equipment, supportive footwear should) logically follow the same classification if they re'primarily for maintaining your ability to work rather than treating a diagnosed medical condition. The key is demonstrating a clear, logical approach to how you categorize these expenses rather than cherry-picking the most advantageous classification for each individual item.

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Rhett Bowman

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I'm a massage therapist who works with a lot of professionals in physically demanding jobs like hairdressers, and I wanted to add some perspective from the provider side. When clients ask me about tax deductions, I always recommend they get documentation before we start regular sessions. I can write a detailed treatment plan that specifically addresses work-related muscular issues and prevention of repetitive stress injuries. This creates a paper trail from day one rather than trying to justify it retroactively. For hairdressers specifically, I document how the treatment addresses cervical strain from looking down at clients, shoulder impingement from extended arm positioning, and lower back tension from prolonged standing. The more specific the documentation connects to your actual job duties, the stronger your case becomes. One thing I've noticed - clients who treat these sessions as preventive maintenance rather than just relaxation tend to have better success with deductions. Keep a brief log after each session noting which work-related issues were addressed and how it helps you maintain your productivity. The IRS seems to respond better to "this prevents injury that would stop me from working" rather than "this makes me feel better.

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! As someone just starting to think about these deductions, I'm curious - when you write these treatment plans, do you need any special credentials or certifications beyond your massage therapy license? And how detailed should the documentation be? For example, would something like "Client experiences cervical strain and shoulder tension from 8+ hours daily of overhead arm positioning and forward head posture required for hairdressing services" be sufficient, or does it need to be more medical/technical in language? I want to make sure I'm asking my massage therapist for the right kind of documentation that will actually hold up if questioned.

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Sayid Hassan

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For those items where you absolutely can't establish a cost basis through any reasonable method, keep in mind that the IRS could potentially consider your basis to be $0, meaning you'd pay capital gains tax on the entire proceeds. That's the worst-case scenario you want to avoid. This happened to a friend with a coin collection - couldn't establish basis for about 20% of it, and ended up paying tax on the full amount for those pieces. Pretty painful tax hit!

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Rachel Tao

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Wait, that can't be right. If someone knows they bought something for around $500 twenty years ago (even without a receipt), they can't be forced to pretend they got it for free and pay taxes on the full $2000 sale price today. That would be paying tax on money that wasn't actually profit!

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Amun-Ra Azra

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@Rachel Tao You re'absolutely right to question this - that does sound extreme! While the IRS technically can treat missing basis as zero, they usually only do this in cases where someone clearly made no effort to establish reasonable documentation or when they suspect someone is being dishonest. If you can show you made a good-faith effort to determine your cost basis using reasonable methods like (historical pricing data, partial records, or consistent purchasing patterns ,)the IRS typically won t'force a zero basis. The key is documenting your methodology and showing it s'reasonable, not just picking numbers out of thin air. That said, @Sayid Hassan s point'is important - it s why'having some documentation strategy is crucial rather than just hoping for the best at tax time.

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This is such a valuable discussion! I've been putting off dealing with my stamp collection for years because I was worried about this exact issue. One thing I'd add - if you're in a similar situation, start documenting everything NOW before you sell. Take photos of your items with current dates, write down everything you remember about when and where you bought them, and gather any supporting evidence you can find (old bank statements, insurance records, etc.). I learned the hard way that trying to reconstruct this information after you've already sold items is much harder than doing it beforehand. The IRS appreciates seeing that you made a systematic effort to establish your basis rather than just scrambling at tax time. Also, for anyone dealing with inherited collectibles - the rules are different! You might get a "stepped-up basis" equal to the fair market value when you inherited them, which could save you a lot in taxes. Definitely worth looking into if that applies to your situation.

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This is excellent advice about documenting everything proactively! I'm just getting started with collecting (mainly coins and some vintage watches) and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening about the importance of keeping detailed records from day one. Question about the inherited collectibles and stepped-up basis - does this apply even if the person who passed away also didn't have good documentation of what they originally paid? Like if I inherit my grandfather's coin collection but he lost most of his receipts too, can I still use the fair market value at the time of inheritance as my basis?

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Amina Diallo

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I just went through this verification process about 6 weeks ago, so your timing with this question is perfect! Here's what I learned from my experience: The verification itself was actually pretty straightforward once I got through to someone. I tried the 7am calling strategy that everyone mentions here, and it worked - got through on my third attempt. The agent asked me to confirm some basic info from my 2023 and 2022 returns (previous addresses, filing status, AGI amounts, etc). The whole call took maybe 15 minutes. After verification, it took exactly 5 weeks for my refund to hit my account. I obsessively checked my transcript every few days and watched for those code changes people mentioned - saw the 570 hold code disappear and then got the 846 refund issued code about a week before the money actually arrived. One thing I wish someone had told me: save the date you completed verification and mark your calendar for the 9-week point. That way you have a realistic expectation and won't drive yourself crazy checking daily. The IRS really does seem to be processing these slower than they used to. For your home repairs - definitely have a backup plan for financing just in case it takes longer than expected. But based on most experiences here, you should see your refund sometime in the next 6-8 weeks if you get verified soon. Good luck!

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I went through identity verification earlier this year and wanted to share my experience since I see you're just starting this process. The verification itself isn't too bad - I did mine over the phone after calling the number on my letter at exactly 7am (that timing tip really works!). They asked me to confirm info from my 2022 and 2023 returns like previous addresses, AGI amounts, and filing status. The waiting period after verification is definitely the hardest part. Mine took about 7 weeks from verification to refund, which was longer than I hoped but shorter than the 9 weeks they quoted me. I found that checking my transcript once a week (not daily) helped me stay sane - you'll want to watch for code 571 (hold released) followed by 846 (refund issued). Since you mentioned needing the money for home repairs this summer, I'd suggest having a backup plan just in case it takes the full 9 weeks or longer. Some people here have waited much longer unfortunately. But the good news is that almost everyone eventually gets their refund processed. The key is just patience and persistence with getting through to verify in the first place. Good luck!

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Eli Wang

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I went through identity verification in January 2024 and can share my exact timeline to help ease your anxiety! Here's what happened: Jan 8: Received 5071C letter Jan 10: Called verification line (got through after 2 hours of redials) Jan 10: Completed phone verification (took about 20 minutes once connected) Jan 24: Transcript updated with refund date Jan 29: Refund deposited So 14 days from verification to transcript update, 19 days total to money in account. The verification itself was straightforward - they asked for my SSN, filing status, refund amount, and a few line items from my return. Since you mentioned urgent medical expenses, definitely emphasize this when you call. The IRS has expedited processing for financial hardship cases. Also, call first thing in the morning (7-8 AM) for shorter wait times. One thing that helped my peace of mind was checking my online account transcript every few days after verification. You'll see the 570 "additional account action pending" code clear, then 971 "notice issued" will appear, followed by 846 "refund issued" with your actual deposit date. The waiting is the hardest part, but most people get their refunds within 2-3 weeks of verification. You've got this!

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LongPeri

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Thank you so much for sharing your detailed timeline! This is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm feeling much more optimistic now knowing that 2-3 weeks is realistic. Your tip about calling early morning is great - I was planning to call at 8 AM sharp tomorrow. I'll definitely mention the medical expenses when I speak with them. It's reassuring to know that others have gone through this successfully and that the verification process itself isn't as scary as I imagined. I really appreciate everyone in this community sharing their experiences!

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Dmitry Popov

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I went through identity verification just last month and wanted to share my experience to help calm your nerves! Here's my timeline: Dec 15: Filed return electronically Dec 28: Received 5071C letter in mail Jan 2: Called verification number (took 3 attempts to get through - kept getting busy signal) Jan 2: Completed phone verification in about 25 minutes once connected Jan 18: Checked transcript and saw code 846 with refund date Jan 22: Direct deposit hit my account So exactly 16 days from verification to transcript update, and 20 days total to getting my money. The agent was actually very helpful and walked me through each step. A couple things that made the process smoother for me: - I had my prior year AGI written down (they always ask for this) - Made sure to call from the phone number that matched what was on my tax return - Had my ID, Social Security card, and tax return spread out in front of me Since you mentioned urgent medical expenses, definitely lead with that when you call. I've heard they can flag accounts for expedited processing in hardship situations. The verification process itself really isn't as intimidating as it sounds - they're just confirming basic info from your return and ID. You'll get through this and have your refund soon!

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This is such helpful information! I'm in a very similar situation - just received my 5071C letter yesterday and I'm really nervous about the whole process. Your detailed timeline gives me so much hope that this won't drag on forever. I especially appreciate the tip about having everything laid out before calling - I would have definitely been scrambling to find documents while on the phone. Did the agent give you any indication during the call that your verification was successful, or did you just have to wait and check your transcript later? I'm worried I won't know if I did something wrong until weeks later.

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