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This is such a common confusion for new marketplace sellers! I went through the same thing when I started my online business. Here's what I've learned after dealing with this for a few years: Your gross receipts on Line 1 should be the total amount of actual sales you made to customers, minus any refunds or returns. So if your marketplace report shows you had $15,000 in sales but $500 in refunds, you'd put $14,500 on Line 1. The important thing is to NOT subtract any of the fees or expenses from that gross receipts number. All those marketplace fees, shipping costs, payment processing fees, etc. get reported separately in the expenses section of Schedule C. This gives the IRS the complete picture of your business activity. I'd also recommend keeping detailed records of what each fee category represents - some go on Line 10 (commissions and fees), others might be supplies (Line 22) or office expenses (Line 18). The IRS wants to see both your total business income AND your total business expenses calculated separately. Don't stress too much about getting it perfect your first year - the key is being consistent and reasonable with your categorization. You've got this!

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Julian Paolo

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This is exactly the kind of straightforward explanation I needed! I've been overthinking this whole process. So just to make sure I understand correctly - if my Shopify report shows $12,000 in gross sales, $300 in refunds, and $1,800 in various fees (payment processing, transaction fees, etc.), then I put $11,700 on Line 1 of Schedule C and then list that $1,800 in fees across the appropriate expense lines? I was getting confused because some online articles made it sound way more complicated than it actually is. Your explanation makes it seem much more manageable for a first-time filer like me.

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Emma Wilson

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You've got it exactly right! $11,700 on Line 1 ($12,000 gross sales minus $300 refunds) and then the $1,800 in fees spread across the expense categories. Payment processing fees typically go on Line 10 (Commissions and fees), and transaction fees would also fit there. The key insight you've picked up on is that refunds reduce your gross receipts (since you didn't actually earn that money), but business expenses like platform fees don't reduce gross receipts - they get their own separate treatment in the expenses section. This distinction trips up a lot of new sellers. You're absolutely right that many online articles overcomplicate this! The IRS just wants to see: How much did you actually sell? (gross receipts minus refunds) and What did it cost you to run your business? (all those fees and expenses). Keep good records of what each fee represents and you'll be all set. First-time filing doesn't have to be scary when you break it down like this!

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Kristin Frank

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I've been dealing with this same issue for my online business! One thing that really helped me understand it was thinking about it from the IRS perspective - they want to see the full scope of your business activity, not just what ended up in your bank account. So for Schedule C Line 1, you report your total sales to customers (minus refunds), which shows how much business you actually did. Then in the expenses section, you list all the costs of doing that business - marketplace fees, shipping, supplies, etc. This gives them a complete picture: here's how much I sold, here's what it cost me to make those sales, and here's my net profit. The mistake a lot of new sellers make is only reporting the net amount that got deposited to their bank account as "gross receipts." But that's not what the IRS is looking for - they want to see both sides of the equation separately. Your marketplace fees aren't reducing your sales, they're a cost of doing business, so they belong in the expenses section where they can be properly categorized and deducted. Keep all your marketplace reports and statements - they'll have everything you need to fill out Schedule C correctly!

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Dmitry Petrov

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This is such a helpful way to think about it! I was definitely making that exact mistake of only wanting to report what actually hit my bank account. Your explanation about the IRS wanting to see "both sides of the equation separately" really clicked for me. I've been stressing about this for weeks because my marketplace deposited way less than what they reported to the IRS, and I couldn't figure out how to reconcile those numbers. But now I understand that the IRS isn't expecting them to match - they want to see the full business picture with gross sales on one side and all the associated costs properly categorized on the other side. Thanks for breaking this down in such a clear way! Sometimes it just takes hearing it explained from a different angle to make everything make sense.

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California Tax Rebate: Has Anyone Received the Middle Class Tax Refund Yet?

According to the California Franchise Tax Board website (https://www.ftb.ca.gov/), they've begun distributing the Middle Class Tax Refund payments this month. Has anyone in this forum received theirs yet? My wife and I filed jointly for the first time this year, and I'm tracking all expected payments in our financial planning spreadsheet. Just seeking data points on distribution timeline. ☺️

Justin Chang

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I'm also new to this community but have been closely monitoring this thread as I'm experiencing the exact same delay. Filed jointly in late January, AGI $82k, last name starts with B. According to the original alphabetical schedule, I should have been among the very first to receive the payment, but here I am still waiting like so many others. Reading through all these responses, there's definitely a clear pattern - joint filers in the $75-85k income bracket are systematically delayed regardless of where our last names fall alphabetically. I've been checking my FTB online account multiple times daily, but like everyone else, it only shows my standard 2023 return with no MCTR status information. What's particularly frustrating is the lack of transparency from FTB about these delays. @Amara Nwosu's information about additional verification requirements for joint filers is the most helpful explanation I've seen anywhere. Has anyone tried reaching out to their state representatives about this systematic delay affecting what appears to be thousands of joint filers? At this point, it seems like we need more official communication about the actual timeline for our specific situation.

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Gavin King

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and in the exact same situation - filed jointly in early March, AGI $80k, last name starts with E. Should have been in that first alphabetical wave but still waiting like everyone else. It's actually really reassuring to see this pattern so clearly documented in this thread. The fact that virtually all of us are joint filers in the $75-85k range experiencing identical delays suggests this is definitely a systematic processing issue rather than individual problems. @Amara Nwosu s'insight about additional verification steps for joint filers seems to be the most logical explanation we ve'gotten anywhere. I agree about the frustrating lack of official communication from FTB - they should really update their website or send notifications about these delays affecting what s'clearly a large group of taxpayers. I ve'also been checking my FTB account obsessively with no status changes. Your idea about contacting state representatives is interesting - maybe if enough of us reach out, we can get some official clarification on the timeline for this verification process. Thanks for adding your data point to help confirm the pattern!

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Ethan Moore

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I'm also new to this community and experiencing the exact same delay pattern as everyone else here. Filed jointly in early February, AGI $77k, last name starts with A - so according to the original alphabetical schedule, I should have been literally first in line to receive the MCTR payment. But like so many others in this thread, I'm still waiting despite being well within that A-M timeframe that was supposed to wrap up by October 21st. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful in understanding what's happening. The pattern is crystal clear: joint filers in the $75-85k income bracket are systematically delayed regardless of alphabetical placement. @Amara Nwosu's explanation about additional verification requirements for joint filers really seems to be the key insight here - it explains why virtually everyone sharing their delay story fits this exact profile. I've been checking my FTB online account daily since October 1st, but like everyone else, it only shows my standard 2023 return information with no MCTR status updates. What's particularly frustrating is that FTB hasn't provided any official communication about these delays affecting what appears to be a significant population of joint filers. Has anyone tried calling FTB recently to get an updated timeline specifically for joint filers going through this verification process? It would be helpful to know if there's at least an estimated completion date for whatever additional review they're conducting. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - it's really reassuring to know this is a widespread processing issue rather than individual problems with our returns.

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Amended Return Processed 10/18/24 But No Refund Received - IRS Shows "Completed" Status

I'm looking at my Where's My Amended Return tool for 2023 and I'm trying to understand what's going on with my refund. The tool shows three specific dates: Received: 06/06/2024 Adjusted: 09/27/2024 Completed: 10/18/2024 According to the IRS website, "We processed your amended return on October 18, 2024." But I still haven't received my refund even though it's marked as "Completed." The status page has question mark icons next to each status (Received ?, Adjusted ?, Completed ?), but doesn't explain what each stage actually means. I checked this at 3:47 on the official IRS.gov website, where it says "An official website of the United States Government" at the top. The page mentions that "If you have not received a notice and you would like to speak to a customer service representative, call 800-829-0582, extension 633, between the hours of 7 a.m. and 7 p.m., Monday through Friday. You will need a copy of your amended return." There's also an "EXIT" button and "SELECT ANOTHER YEAR" option at the bottom of the page, along with an "EspaΓ±ol" language option at the top. I'm particularly confused since it's been marked as completed for a while now but I still haven't received my refund. Does the "Completed" status mean they've already sent the refund? Or does it just mean they finished processing but haven't issued payment yet? Has anyone else experienced a delay after reaching the "Completed" stage?

This thread is incredibly helpful for understanding what actually happens after the "Completed" status! I'm a newcomer here but dealing with a similar situation - my 2023 amended return shows "Completed" as of January 10th, 2025. Reading everyone's experiences, it's clear that "Completed" doesn't mean what most of us think it means. The range of wait times after completion is shocking - from 2-3 weeks to 3+ months! @Lauren Wood's professional insight about backend processing steps really explains why there's such inconsistency. It sounds like there are quality reviews, check printing queues, and mailing processes that happen after the "Completed" status. @Evelyn Kelly your situation at 3+ months past completion is definitely beyond normal delays. The specific questions @Lauren Wood provided are gold - definitely ask about the exact issue date, amount, mailing address, and any holds. @Ian Armstrong and @Miguel Ramos showing that reissued checks come quickly once you get the right person gives me hope these situations can be resolved. Thanks to everyone sharing their timelines and experiences. This community knowledge is way more valuable than the vague information on the official IRS tools! I'll be following this thread closely and will share my own experience as it develops.

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StarSeeker

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Welcome to the community @Lukas Fitzgerald! Your January 10th completion date is super recent so hopefully you won't have to wait as long as some of us have. It's honestly wild how much more useful this thread has been than anything official from the IRS. The fact that @Lauren Wood works in tax prep and confirmed there are all these hidden backend steps after Completed "status" really opened my eyes. I m'definitely saving those questions for when I inevitably have to call too. Keep us posted on your timeline - it ll'be interesting to see if the wait times are getting better or worse for more recent completions!

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Mei Zhang

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Reading through everyone's experiences here has been really eye-opening! I'm dealing with a similar situation - my 2023 amended return shows "Completed" as of December 3rd, 2024, so I'm about 2 months out now. Based on what everyone is sharing, it sounds like I'm getting close to the point where I should be concerned. @Lauren Wood's breakdown of the backend processing steps after "Completed" status is incredibly helpful - I had no idea there were quality reviews, check printing queues, and mailing processes that happen after that date. The questions you provided are exactly what I'll ask if I need to call. @Evelyn Kelly definitely call that number tomorrow with those specific questions! Your October completion date puts you way past any reasonable timeframe. The success stories from @Ian Armstrong and @Miguel Ramos show that once you get the right person on the phone, they can usually track down what happened and get a replacement check issued quickly. It's frustrating how the "Completed" status is so misleading - they really should be more transparent about what that actually means vs when people can expect their refunds. This thread has been more informative than anything on the official IRS website! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and timelines.

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Molly Chambers

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As someone who's been reading through all these incredibly detailed responses, I'm blown away by how comprehensive everyone's advice has been! The consistent message from people who actually went through this process is really compelling. What stands out most to me is that this isn't really about whether you CAN pass the test without the class - it sounds like many people with accounting backgrounds probably could. The real question seems to be whether you'll be properly prepared to handle the full scope of tax preparation work during your first busy season. The structured client interview process that multiple people mentioned sounds like something you really need hands-on training for. I've only done taxes for myself and family, so the idea of systematically gathering information from stressed clients while navigating professional software simultaneously sounds pretty daunting without proper preparation. The relationship building aspect that keeps coming up is huge too. Having managers who know your capabilities and can offer guidance when you encounter unusual situations during that first hectic tax season seems invaluable. Plus, @Daryl Bright's point about even CPAs finding value in learning H&R Block's specific methodology really drives home that this is legitimate professional training, not just basic tax review. I think I'm convinced - better to invest the time upfront and feel genuinely confident than to potentially struggle while clients are depending on accurate, professional service. Thanks to everyone for such thoughtful perspectives!

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Sofia Morales

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This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone who's also considering making the jump into tax preparation with an accounting background, I'm really grateful for all the detailed experiences everyone has shared. What really strikes me is how unanimous the advice has been across so many different perspectives - from recent graduates to experienced preparers to even a former trainer. The fact that @Daryl Bright mentioned CPAs finding value in the class really hammered home that this isn t'about remedial education, but genuine professional development in H&R Block s'specific approach. The client interview techniques and software workflow training sound like they re'probably worth the class time alone. I think I was underestimating how different it would be to work with actual clients versus just understanding tax concepts academically. Having that structured approach to gathering information and navigating their professional systems while maintaining good customer service seems like something you really need hands-on practice with. The ongoing mentor relationships that multiple people described also sound amazing. Knowing you have experienced instructors to turn to when you encounter your first complex situation during busy season would provide such peace of mind. That support network alone might be worth the extra time investment. Thanks to everyone for sharing such honest, detailed experiences - you ve'really helped clarify what this decision is actually about!

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Yuki Tanaka

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As someone who recently transitioned from corporate accounting to tax preparation, I can definitely relate to your situation! I had a similar background - accounting degree with minimal hands-on tax experience beyond personal returns. I ultimately chose to take the H&R Block class and I'm so glad I did. While my accounting foundation helped with understanding the concepts, the class taught me so much more than just tax knowledge. The most valuable parts were learning their specific client interview process, getting comfortable with their professional software, and understanding their quality control procedures. What really made the difference was the practical training with real client scenarios. Working through complex situations like rental properties, self-employment income, and unusual family circumstances while learning to navigate their system efficiently took practice. The instructors also shared tons of workflow tips that helped me manage time effectively during busy season. The relationship aspect ended up being huge too. Having established connections with managers and fellow preparers made my first tax season much less stressful. When I encountered my first really complex return, I knew exactly who to call for guidance. My advice would be to take the class if your schedule allows it. Yes, you might be able to pass the test without it, but the confidence and preparation you'll gain will make your first season so much smoother. Better to invest the time upfront than struggle to learn everything on the fly when clients are depending on you for accurate returns!

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JaylinCharles

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I've been importing from EU countries for over a decade and this VAT confusion is incredibly common with individual sellers. The root issue is that many European sellers primarily deal with business customers who do have VAT numbers, so they assume all buyers should have them. Here's the definitive explanation to send your seller: "I am a private individual in the United States purchasing for personal use. The US does not have a VAT (Value Added Tax) system. Instead, we have sales tax which operates completely differently and is managed at state/local levels. US consumers do not possess VAT identification numbers because VAT does not exist in our tax framework. Under EU VAT Directive 2006/112/EC, exports to non-EU countries are zero-rated for VAT purposes. My US shipping address serves as sufficient documentation that this qualifies as a VAT-exempt export sale." The beauty of this approach is that you're educating them about the fundamental difference between US and EU tax systems while citing the actual regulation that governs their VAT exemption. Most sellers immediately understand once you explain that VAT literally doesn't exist in the US - they can't expect you to have registration for a tax system that our country doesn't use. Your $65 purchase is well below any threshold requiring special documentation, and honestly, the seller should have known this basic export procedure before listing internationally on eBay.

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This is incredibly thorough and helpful! I really appreciate how you explained the fundamental difference between US and EU tax systems - that VAT literally doesn't exist here, not just that individuals don't register for it. The specific EU directive citation (2006/112/EC) is perfect too - gives the seller an official regulation to reference if they need to justify the VAT exemption to their own tax authorities. Your point about sellers primarily dealing with business customers makes total sense for why this confusion keeps happening. I'm saving your response template because it covers all the bases while remaining professional and confident. Thank you for taking the time to write such a comprehensive explanation!

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Nora Brooks

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I've been importing personal items from the EU for years and this VAT number confusion is probably the most common issue US consumers face with European sellers. The fundamental problem is that your Italian seller is applying business-to-business procedures to what is actually a simple consumer export. Here's what's happening: In Italy, sellers must charge VAT on domestic sales, but exports outside the EU are VAT-exempt. Your seller is asking for a VAT number because that's the standard procedure when selling to EU businesses - they need to verify the buyer's VAT registration to apply the exemption. However, as a US individual, you don't have (and cannot have) a VAT number because the United States doesn't operate under a VAT system at all. We have sales tax instead, which works completely differently and is handled at state/local levels. Send your seller this clear explanation: "I am a private individual in the United States making a personal purchase. The US does not have a Value Added Tax (VAT) system - our country uses a different tax structure with state-level sales taxes. Therefore, US consumers do not possess VAT identification numbers. Under EU VAT regulations, exports to non-EU countries like the US are VAT-exempt, and my US shipping address serves as proof this is an export sale." Be confident in your response - you're not missing any required documentation. The seller just needs reassurance that they can legally ship to you without charging Italian VAT, which they absolutely can based on your US address alone.

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Jayden Hill

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This is such a clear and comprehensive explanation! I really appreciate how you broke down exactly what's happening from the seller's perspective - they're stuck in B2B mode and don't realize consumer exports work differently. Your point about the US having state-level sales tax instead of VAT is crucial because it explains WHY we don't have VAT numbers, not just that we don't have them. I've been struggling with this same issue and your confident messaging approach is exactly what I needed. The seller needs reassurance they can ship legally, not more confusion from me acting like I'm missing something important. Thank you for such a thorough breakdown of the entire situation!

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