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Don't forget about inventory management implications! If you're currently recording these as sales and then writing them off, your sales forecasting data is probably all messed up. We had this exact problem - our demand planning system was counting samples as legitimate customer demand, which was throwing off our forecasting algorithms. Once we reclassified samples as marketing expense (promotional units), our forecasting accuracy improved by almost 20%. Also, check if you need to adjust your sales team's commission structure. If they're getting commission on these "sample sales" that then get written off, you're probably overpaying commissions.
Great question about the multi-state sales tax treatment! I work for a mid-sized distributor and we went through this exact same issue last year. First, definitely agree with the earlier comments that your current accounting method isn't correct - these should be recorded as marketing expenses, not sales. We were doing something similar and had to restate several months of financials once we realized the error. For the sales tax piece, it really does vary significantly by state. We operate in 12 states and found that about half treat promotional samples as exempt from sales tax (but subject to use tax on our cost), while others have specific "free sample" exemptions with documentation requirements. A few states like California have pretty strict rules about what qualifies as a legitimate promotional sample versus a disguised sale. One thing that helped us was creating a formal sample policy that clearly defines the business purpose, limits on sample quantities per customer, and required documentation. This made it much easier to defend our tax position during our recent audit in Ohio. I'd also recommend reaching out to your CPA firm - most have multi-state tax specialists who can help you navigate the specific requirements for the states where you're distributing samples. The compliance requirements can get pretty complex when you're dealing with multiple jurisdictions.
This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious about the formal sample policy you mentioned - what kind of specific elements did you include to make it audit-proof? We're trying to put together something similar but want to make sure we cover all the bases that auditors typically look for. Also, did your CPA firm charge separately for the multi-state tax consultation or was that part of your regular service agreement?
Am I the only one who thinks the 1099-K threshold being lowered is the absolute worst? Now I have to deal with all these discrepancies when before I just reported my income and paid my taxes without all this confusion. I have 3 different payment processors and each one seems to calculate the 1099-K differently. One includes refunds, one doesn't. One includes the fees, one doesn't. It's a nightmare to reconcile!
I completely understand your frustration with the 1099-K discrepancies - this is unfortunately very common with digital businesses using multiple payment processors. Here's what you need to know: You should report your GROSS sales revenue on Schedule C, not the 1099-K amount or the net amount. So in your case, that would be the $59,106.25 from your Square revenue report. Then deduct the $2,127.93 in processing fees as a business expense under "Commissions and fees" on Schedule C. The discrepancy between your gross revenue ($59,106.25) and the 1099-K amount ($58,215.75) could be due to several factors: timing differences (transactions processed in different calendar periods), refunds that were included differently, or chargebacks. I'd recommend calling Square directly to get clarification on this specific difference. For Teachable reporting net amounts - this varies by platform. Some report gross payment amounts, others report what they actually paid out to you. The key is consistency in how YOU report it: always use gross sales as income, then deduct all fees and platform costs as business expenses. Keep detailed records showing your calculation methodology. If there's ever a question from the IRS, you'll be able to demonstrate exactly how you arrived at your reported income figures and why they might differ slightly from your 1099-K amounts.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to dealing with 1099-K forms and was getting overwhelmed by all the different numbers. Just to make sure I understand correctly - even though my 1099-K shows $58,215.75, I should report the $59,106.25 gross revenue on my Schedule C and then deduct the processing fees separately? And for the Teachable situation where they're reporting net amounts - should I try to figure out what the gross amount was before their fees and report that instead? Or is it okay to report the net amount they show on the 1099-K as long as I'm not also deducting those fees as expenses?
You're in a really tough spot, but you're absolutely right to report this. I've seen this exact scenario play out with small restaurants - they think because they're "family businesses" they can bend the rules, but the IRS doesn't care about size when it comes to tax compliance. The fact that they haven't even collected your SSN yet is actually a red flag that supports your case - legitimate contractors typically need to provide tax information upfront so the business can issue 1099s at year-end. A few practical tips while you're still there: - Keep a daily log of your hours and duties - Note who gives you instructions and how detailed they are - Document if you're required to be there at specific times vs. having flexibility - Take note of other workers' situations (are they all treated the same way?) The "daily rate" to avoid breaks is particularly problematic because it suggests they're trying to circumvent labor laws, not just tax obligations. This makes it more likely that both the IRS and state labor department will take action. File the Form 3949-A, but also consider calling your state's wage and hour division. Sometimes having multiple agencies aware of the same business can expedite action. Your anonymity is legally protected with both agencies. Don't let the family atmosphere make you feel guilty - they're stealing from you and the government, not the other way around.
This is really solid advice. I'm wondering though - since I've only been there three weeks and haven't filled out any paperwork yet, would it be better to wait a bit longer to gather more evidence, or should I report it now before I quit? I'm worried that if I wait too long, they might catch on that I'm documenting things, but I also don't want my report to seem weak because I haven't been there very long. Also, when you mention keeping a daily log - should I be writing this down on paper at home, or is it safe to keep notes on my phone? I'm just paranoid about them somehow finding out I'm collecting information.
@c00e85a536a6 Great question about timing! I'd actually recommend reporting sooner rather than later. Three weeks is plenty of time to observe the pattern, and waiting longer risks them becoming suspicious of your documentation efforts. Plus, the IRS and state agencies investigate these things over months - they'll be looking at the business's practices with all employees over time, not just your specific experience. For documentation, definitely keep notes at home, not on your work phone or anywhere they might access. A simple notebook at home where you jot down details each day after work is perfect. Include dates, hours worked, who supervised you, specific instructions you were given, and any conversations about pay/classification. Even a few weeks of detailed observations can paint a clear picture of the control they exercise over workers. The fact that you haven't done any tax paperwork yet actually strengthens your case - it shows they're not following proper contractor procedures. Don't overthink it - your current observations are valuable evidence, and the sooner you report, the sooner investigators can start building a comprehensive case.
The anonymity aspect is crucial here, and you're smart to prioritize that. Form 3949-A is definitely your best bet for anonymous reporting to the IRS. You can submit it online or mail it in without providing your contact information. Beyond the IRS, don't overlook your state's anonymous tip lines. Most states have dedicated hotlines for reporting wage theft and worker misclassification. In many cases, state investigations move faster than federal ones because they have more resources dedicated to local enforcement. Document what you can without being obvious about it - work schedules, how tasks are assigned, whether you use their equipment, and especially any evidence that they treat you like employees while calling you contractors. The "daily rate to avoid breaks" comment would be gold if you could get that in a text message somehow. One thing to consider: if they haven't collected your SSN or had you fill out any tax forms after 3 weeks, that's actually suspicious behavior that supports your case. Legitimate businesses need that information upfront for proper contractor relationships. You're doing the right thing. These schemes hurt honest businesses that follow the law and pay proper taxes. Your report could help protect future workers from the same exploitation.
This is all really helpful information! I'm feeling more confident about moving forward with reporting this. One thing I'm still unclear on though - when I submit Form 3949-A anonymously, should I include as much detail as possible even if some of it is based on conversations I overheard or assumptions about their motivations? For example, I heard the owner mention to his brother (who also works there) something about "keeping costs down" when they were discussing the 1099 arrangement. I don't want to hurt my credibility by including things that aren't 100% factual, but I also want to give investigators the full picture of what seems to be happening. Also, do you know if there's a way to follow up on an anonymous report later if I remember additional details or witness more problematic behavior after I quit?
@4e59addc0d79 Great question about what to include! You should definitely stick to facts you can verify - what you directly observed, experienced, or heard firsthand. The overheard conversation about "keeping costs down" is actually valuable evidence if you can describe it factually (when/where it happened, who was involved). Just present it as what you heard rather than making assumptions about their motivations. Focus on concrete details: specific work hours, how tasks were assigned, who supervised you, equipment provided by them, dress codes, scheduling requirements, and payment methods. These objective facts paint the picture investigators need without requiring you to interpret intentions. For follow-up, anonymous reports are tricky to update since there's no case number tied to your identity. Your best bet would be to file a supplemental Form 3949-A if you gather significant additional evidence. However, once you quit and file your initial report, you'll have done your part - the investigation will look at their practices with all employees over time, not just what you witnessed. The key is being thorough in your initial report while sticking to verifiable facts. Your detailed observations from three weeks are already strong evidence of misclassification patterns.
Does anyone know if Credit Karma Tax (now Cash App Taxes) can handle PTP K-1s? I have an Energy Transfer one too.
Cash App Taxes (formerly Credit Karma) specifically excludes K-1s for publicly traded partnerships in their limitations. I tried it last year with my Enterprise Products Partners K-1 (similar to Energy Transfer) and had to switch software. They're upfront about not supporting it, at least.
I went through this exact same nightmare last year with Energy Transfer LP! After trying multiple tax software options, I ended up using TaxSlayer Premium which handled my Energy Transfer K-1 perfectly and was significantly cheaper than TurboTax Premier. The key thing I learned is that Energy Transfer K-1s often have multiple income types - ordinary business income, capital gains, and return of capital distributions that reduce your basis. TaxSlayer walked me through each section and automatically populated the right forms (Schedule E, Form 8582 for passive activities, etc.). Since you mentioned you sold all your Energy Transfer shares in 2023, make sure you account for any basis adjustments from prior year distributions when calculating your capital gains. That's where a lot of people mess up and either overpay or underpay their taxes. The $8 distribution might seem small, but the IRS still expects it reported correctly. Don't let the small amount fool you into thinking it's not worth doing properly - I've seen people get notices over much smaller discrepancies.
Thanks for the TaxSlayer recommendation! I hadn't heard of that option and the price point sounds much more reasonable than TurboTax. Quick question - when you say it "walked you through each section," does it actually provide guidance on which numbers from the K-1 go where, or do you still need to figure out the mapping yourself? I'm worried about making mistakes since this is my first time dealing with a PTP K-1.
Dylan Hughes
Does anyone know if this $3,000 limit is per person? Like if my spouse and I file jointly, can we each deduct $3,000 for a total of $6,000?
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Carmen Sanchez
ā¢No, unfortunately the $3,000 limit is per tax return, not per person. So even if you're married filing jointly, the maximum capital loss deduction against ordinary income is still $3,000 total. If you file married filing separately, it's even worse - the limit drops to $1,500 per return. This is one of those situations where the tax code doesn't give a "marriage bonus.
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Jade Santiago
I went through this exact same situation last year! Lost about $3,500 in the stock market and was kicking myself until I realized it could actually help with my taxes. Here's what I learned: Yes, you can definitely use up to $3,000 of your stock losses to reduce your ordinary income from your job. Since you lost $4,000, you can deduct $3,000 this year and carry forward the remaining $1,000 to next year's taxes. The key thing is to make sure you have proper documentation - keep all your brokerage statements showing the purchase dates, sale dates, and amounts. You'll report these on Schedule D and it flows through to your main 1040 form. One thing that caught me off guard was wash sales - if you bought back the same stock within 30 days of selling it at a loss, the IRS disallows the loss deduction. So make sure you didn't accidentally trigger any wash sale rules with your transactions. At least we can get some tax relief from our investing mistakes, right? Silver lining to a rough year in the markets!
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Admin_Masters
ā¢This is really helpful, thanks! I had no idea about the wash sale rule - that could have been a problem for me since I've been doing some buying and selling of the same stocks. Just to make sure I understand correctly: if I sold Apple stock at a loss on December 1st but then bought Apple stock again on December 15th, that would trigger a wash sale and I couldn't deduct that loss? And does this apply even if I bought fewer shares the second time?
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