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Gianna Scott

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Great thread with lots of helpful insights! I went through this exact situation with my Aetna disability payments earlier this year. One thing I'd add is to check if your employer continues any benefits during your disability leave that might affect your tax situation. In my case, my company continued paying their portion of my health insurance premiums, which meant I had less taxable income than I initially calculated. This actually reduced the amount I needed to have withheld. I had to adjust my W-4S form mid-way through my leave to avoid over-withholding. Also, if you're planning to return to work part-way through the tax year, remember that your regular paycheck withholding will resume, so you don't want to double up and have too much withheld overall. I used a simple spreadsheet to track my total projected income and withholding across both my disability payments and expected regular paychecks for the remainder of the year. The key is looking at your total annual tax picture, not just the disability payment period in isolation.

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Emma Bianchi

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with a similar W-4S situation right now with my Aflac disability coverage. One thing I learned from my tax preparer that might be useful - if you're married filing jointly, make sure to consider your spouse's income and withholding when determining your disability withholding rate. In my case, my spouse's regular paycheck withholding was already covering a good portion of our combined tax liability, so I didn't need to withhold as much from my disability payments as I initially thought. We calculated that withholding about 15% from my disability pay (compared to the 22% from my regular paychecks) would keep us on track. Also, don't forget that if you're paying for your own disability insurance premiums with after-tax dollars, those payments are generally not taxable when you receive them. But if your employer pays the premiums (which sounds like your case with MetLife), then the benefits are taxable. This distinction can significantly impact how much you need to withhold.

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This is really helpful information about spousal income considerations! I hadn't thought about how my partner's withholding might affect my disability withholding calculations. We file jointly, and she has a steady job with consistent withholding, so this could definitely change the math for me. Quick question - when you mention that employer-paid premiums make the benefits taxable, does this apply even if I contribute part of the premium cost through payroll deduction? My employer pays most of my MetLife premium, but I think I pay a small portion post-tax. Does this create a partial tax situation, or is it all-or-nothing based on who pays the majority? Thanks for bringing up the spousal consideration - I'm definitely going to factor that into my calculations now!

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Just finished dealing with this. I found the most confusing part was column C in Schedule A Part 1 where you have to list donor's adjusted basis. For real estate that's appreciated a lot, this number can be WAY different from the FMV you're reporting. Make sure you have good records of what you originally paid + any capital improvements. Without that you're just guessing at your basis which could cause problems later. Also heads up - you might need to file a state gift tax return too depending on where you live. I had to file in Connecticut and that was a whole separate headache.

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Admin_Masters

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Is the basis really that important for gift tax purposes? I thought gift tax was calculated based on the fair market value, not the basis. Isn't the basis only relevant for the recipient when they eventually sell the property?

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RaΓΊl Mora

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You're right that gift tax is calculated on fair market value, but the IRS still requires you to report the donor's adjusted basis in Column C of Schedule A. This information is used for several purposes - it helps the IRS verify the gift value makes sense, and more importantly, it establishes the carryover basis for the recipient. When someone receives gifted property, they generally take the donor's basis (carryover basis), not the fair market value at the time of gift. So if you paid $200K for property now worth $500K, the recipient's basis for future capital gains calculations would be your $200K basis plus any gift tax paid. The IRS needs this information on the form even though it doesn't affect the current gift tax calculation. It's definitely worth getting the basis right since it affects the recipient's tax situation down the road when they sell.

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Taylor To

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I went through a similar nightmare with Form 709 last year! One thing that really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track everything before filling out the actual form. I made columns for: property description, full FMV, my basis, spouse's portion, and my portion. For the split gift reporting, remember that even though you're each filing separate 709s, the gift splitting election applies to ALL gifts made during the tax year by either spouse - not just this one property. So if either of you made any other gifts during the year (even small ones), those need to be reported consistently with the splitting election. Also, double-check that you're using the correct annual exclusion amounts. For 2024, it's $18,000 per recipient ($36,000 if splitting), but make sure you're using the right year's limits for when the gift was actually made. The deadline stress is real, but you've got this! The IRS is generally reasonable about gift tax issues if you make a good faith effort to comply.

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That spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I wish I had thought of that before diving into the form. One question about the gift splitting election - if we made a small cash gift to our son earlier in the year (like $5,000), does that really need to be reported on the 709 even though it's well under the annual exclusion? I was under the impression that gifts under the exclusion amount didn't need to be reported at all. Also, thanks for the reminder about using the correct year's exclusion amounts. I almost used 2025 numbers by mistake since that's when I'm filing. The actual gift was made in December 2024, so I need the 2024 limits. The deadline stress is definitely getting to me, but seeing everyone's helpful responses here is giving me hope that I can figure this out!

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Anna Xian

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Paolo, you've gotten some excellent advice here! I just completed my single member LLC setup a few months ago and went through the exact same confusion on Form SS-4. Yes, "Sole Proprietor" is absolutely the correct selection for line 9a - I know it feels weird since you just formed an LLC, but that's how the IRS wants it done. The key thing to understand is that your LLC gives you liability protection at the state level, while the federal tax treatment is completely separate. By default, the IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities," which means you get taxed like a sole proprietor even though you have the legal protections of an LLC. It's actually the best of both worlds for most new businesses. Regarding the S-Corp election your friends mentioned - that's something they did AFTER getting their EIN by filing Form 2553. You don't need to worry about that on your initial SS-4 form. Most businesses don't benefit from S-Corp treatment until they're generating significant profit (usually $40K+ annually) because of the additional payroll and administrative costs involved. My recommendation: select "Sole Proprietor," get your EIN, open a business bank account, and focus on growing your business. You can always explore more complex tax elections later when your income justifies it. Don't overthink this initial step - you're making the right choice!

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Liv Park

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Anna, this is such a helpful summary! I'm also brand new to the LLC world and was getting overwhelmed by all the different tax options. Your explanation about how the LLC provides liability protection at the state level while tax treatment is handled separately at the federal level really clarifies things for me. I love how you described it as "the best of both worlds" - getting liability protection while keeping taxes simple with the sole proprietor treatment. That's exactly what I was hoping for when I decided to form an LLC instead of just operating as a sole proprietor. The income threshold you mentioned ($40K+ annually) for considering S-Corp treatment is really helpful too. It gives me a concrete benchmark to keep in mind as I grow the business, rather than feeling like I need to figure out all these complex tax strategies from day one. Thanks for emphasizing the "don't overthink this initial step" point - I think a lot of us new business owners get paralyzed trying to optimize everything perfectly from the start when really we should focus on actually building a profitable business first!

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Demi Lagos

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Paolo, you're definitely making the right choice! I just went through this exact same process with my single member LLC about 4 months ago and had the exact same confusion on Form SS-4. Yes, you should absolutely select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a. I know it feels counterintuitive since you just formed an LLC, but the IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities" by default. This means you get the liability protection of the LLC structure while being taxed as a sole proprietor - honestly, it's the perfect setup for most new businesses. Your friends with LLCs taxed as S-Corps made that election AFTER getting their EIN by filing Form 2553. That's a completely separate process you can explore later if your business income grows enough to justify the additional complexity (usually around $50K+ in annual profit when the self-employment tax savings outweigh the extra administrative costs). Don't stress about getting everything perfect right now. Select "Sole Proprietor," get your EIN, and focus on actually building your business. You can always make more complex tax elections down the road when you have real income to optimize. The most important thing is just getting started - you're not locked into this choice forever!

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Natasha Ivanova

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As a newcomer to nonprofit management, I've been following this discussion closely and it's been incredibly educational! Our youth hockey organization is in a similar situation - we've received some generous donations and want to help families with tournament travel costs, but our board has been nervous about potential IRS issues. Reading through all these responses has given me so much confidence that this is not only allowed but actually a great use of our charitable funds. The key takeaways I'm getting are: establish clear written policies, use objective criteria for determining need (like the 200% poverty level guideline), document everything thoroughly, and make sure assistance is available across all our programs equally. I especially appreciate the suggestion to frame this as a scholarship program for youth development rather than just financial assistance - that really clarifies the charitable purpose. The idea of setting aside a specific percentage of our annual budget (rather than just using "extra" donations) also makes this feel more intentional and sustainable. One thing I'm curious about - for organizations just starting this type of program, is it better to pilot with a small group first to work out the kinks, or should we establish the full policy framework upfront and launch comprehensively? We have about 150 families across different age groups and skill levels, so the scope could get pretty large pretty quickly. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has been invaluable for helping us think through how to structure this properly!

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Christian Burns

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Great question about piloting vs. full launch! From what I've seen with other youth sports nonprofits, starting with a pilot program is definitely the smarter approach, especially with 150 families. You can work out the administrative processes, test your documentation systems, and refine your criteria without getting overwhelmed. I'd suggest piloting with maybe 10-15 families across your different programs (different age groups and skill levels) for one tournament season. This gives you real experience with the application process, expense tracking, and board decision-making before you scale up. Plus, if you run into any unexpected issues or questions, it's much easier to course-correct with a smaller group. You can still establish your full policy framework upfront - having clear written policies from day one is crucial regardless of program size. But implementing gradually lets you build confidence and refine your processes based on actual experience rather than theoretical planning. The families who participate in your pilot can also become advocates for the program, helping you spread awareness and build trust with other families who might be hesitant to apply for assistance. Word-of-mouth endorsement from other hockey families goes a long way in this community!

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Luca Ferrari

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This is such a timely discussion! As someone new to nonprofit governance, I've been researching this exact question for our youth swimming program. After reading through all these excellent responses, I'm convinced this is not only permissible but actually represents the best kind of charitable programming - directly advancing your mission while serving families who need support. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential tax implications for the families receiving assistance. From what I've researched, travel assistance provided by a 501(c)(3) for program-related activities typically isn't considered taxable income to the recipients, since it's directly tied to your charitable purpose rather than being a personal benefit. However, it's worth confirming this with your accountant, especially for larger assistance amounts. I'm also impressed by how many organizations have successfully implemented similar programs. It really reinforces that this isn't some edge case or gray area - it's a legitimate and common way for youth sports nonprofits to fulfill their charitable missions. The consistency in advice about clear policies, objective criteria, and proper documentation shows there's a well-established framework to follow. Your mission statement language is perfect justification, and the enthusiasm from your board is a great foundation. With proper policies in place, this could become one of your most impactful programs!

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I went through a similar situation with our community tennis facility a few years ago. The key issue we faced was proving that our primary purpose was charitable rather than recreational. What really helped us was documenting everything - we created detailed records showing how much time, resources, and revenue was dedicated to our charitable programs versus general operations. The IRS wants to see that charitable activities aren't just a side benefit but are central to your mission. For your golf course, I'd suggest quantifying your community impact: How many kids participate in your youth programs? What's your scholarship program like? Do you offer free or reduced-rate access for seniors, veterans, or low-income families? The more you can demonstrate measurable community benefit, the stronger your 501(c)(3) case becomes. Also, make sure your articles of incorporation and bylaws explicitly state your charitable purposes using IRS-approved language. We had to amend ours to be more specific about our educational and charitable objectives rather than just saying we "serve the community.

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Mason Lopez

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This is really solid advice about documenting everything! I'm curious - when you were quantifying your community impact, did you track things like volunteer hours from members or just the direct beneficiaries? We have a lot of members who volunteer to help with our youth programs, and I'm wondering if that adds to our charitable activity calculation or if the IRS only cares about the people being served. Also, did you have to restructure your fee system at all? Right now we charge everyone the same rates, but I'm wondering if offering sliding scale fees for low-income families would strengthen our case.

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Jibriel Kohn

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Great question about volunteer hours! We tracked both - the IRS appreciates seeing volunteer engagement as it demonstrates community support for your charitable mission. Document the volunteer hours with specific activities (coaching, maintenance for youth areas, fundraising for scholarships, etc.) and assign reasonable hourly values based on what you'd pay for similar services. For the fee structure, we didn't completely overhaul ours but we did implement a formal scholarship program and documented sliding scale options. The key is making it official policy rather than informal discounts. We created an application process for reduced fees based on income guidelines, similar to what schools use for free/reduced lunch programs. The IRS looks favorably on structured programs that serve those who couldn't otherwise afford access. Even if only 10-15% of your users qualify for reduced rates, having it as a formal program with clear eligibility criteria shows commitment to your charitable purpose. Just make sure to track usage and impact - how many scholarship recipients participated, what programs they accessed, and any measurable outcomes.

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Mateo Sanchez

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As someone who works in nonprofit compliance, I'd recommend getting professional help with your IRS application. Golf courses face unique challenges for 501(c)(3) status because the IRS scrutinizes recreational facilities heavily. The biggest hurdle you'll face is the "private benefit" test - if your course primarily serves golfers who can afford green fees rather than truly serving charitable purposes, the IRS will likely deny your application. You need to demonstrate that charitable activities are your primary purpose, not just a secondary benefit. Consider this approach: restructure your programs so that at least 60-70% of your course time and resources support clearly charitable activities. This might mean dedicating specific days/times exclusively to youth programs, adaptive golf for disabled individuals, or veteran therapy programs. Document everything with participant numbers, volunteer hours, and measurable community impact. Also review your bylaws carefully - they need to include specific "charitable purposes" language and dissolution clauses that meet IRS requirements. Many state nonprofits fail federal review because their governing documents don't align with federal standards. The separate foundation approach others mentioned is actually quite common and might be your best bet if restructuring the main operation isn't feasible. This lets you maintain normal golf operations while creating a clear charitable arm for grants and tax-deductible donations.

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Laila Prince

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This is incredibly helpful - the 60-70% threshold gives us a concrete target to work toward! I'm wondering about the documentation requirements you mentioned. When you say "measurable community impact," what specific metrics does the IRS typically want to see? We're already tracking participant numbers for our youth programs, but should we also be documenting things like skill improvement, academic performance of student participants, or health outcomes for our senior programs? And how detailed do the volunteer hour records need to be - is a simple log sufficient or do we need sworn statements? The private benefit test concern really hits home for us. Right now our general membership probably makes up about 80% of course usage, so we definitely need to flip those numbers if we want to pursue 501(c)(3) status.

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