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I've been through this exact situation and it's definitely frustrating when everyone passes the buck! Here's what I learned after finally getting through it: Your HSA provider is technically correct that they don't have to calculate the earnings, but they ARE required to provide you with all account data. The key is requesting specific documentation: monthly statements, transaction history, and a breakdown of cash vs. investment earnings for each month. For the calculation itself, you need to include earnings from BOTH the cash portion and invested portion. Since your HSA auto-invests above $1,500, you'll likely have a mix of minimal cash interest and investment gains/losses to account for. The IRS method is: (Excess Contribution Amount รท Total Average Balance) ร Total Net Income = Attributable Earnings. The "average balance" should be calculated from the date of each excess contribution through your withdrawal date. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet with monthly data points rather than trying to calculate daily averages - it's much more manageable and still provides reasonable accuracy for the IRS formula. Also, if your investments lost money during the relevant period, that actually works in your favor since the "net income" can be negative, reducing what you need to withdraw. Make sure to complete this before your tax filing deadline to avoid the 6% excise tax penalty, and keep detailed documentation of your calculation method. The earnings portion will still be taxable income, but you'll avoid ongoing penalties on the excess itself. Good luck - you'll get through this!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! The monthly data points approach sounds much more realistic than trying to track daily balances - I was dreading having to build some massive spreadsheet with 365 rows. Your point about investment losses working in my favor is really encouraging since my HSA investments have been pretty disappointing this year. I hadn't realized that negative net income could actually reduce the withdrawal amount. I'm going to try your approach of requesting "monthly statements, transaction history, and breakdown of cash vs investment earnings" from my HSA provider. Hopefully framing it as a data request rather than asking for help with calculations will get me better results. One last question - when you calculated the "Total Average Balance" for the denominator, did you use the balance on the last day of each month, or did you try to estimate a monthly average? I want to make sure I'm being consistent with whatever method is most defensible. Thanks for sharing your experience and the encouragement - it's really helpful to know that others have successfully navigated this mess!
I've dealt with this exact HSA excess contribution mess before, and you're absolutely right about the frustrating runaround between providers and tax software! Here's what worked for me: The calculation needs to include ALL earnings - both the minimal interest from your cash portion and any investment gains/losses from the portion that got auto-invested above $1,500. Don't let your HSA provider off the hook completely - while they won't do the calculation, they ARE required to provide you with detailed account statements and transaction history. Here's my practical approach that worked: 1. Request monthly statements showing cash balance, investment balance, and all earnings for each account segment 2. Use the IRS formula: (Excess Amount รท Average Account Balance) ร Total Net Income 3. Calculate the average balance from the date of each excess contribution through withdrawal date 4. Include both positive earnings AND any investment losses (losses actually reduce what you owe) Pro tip: I used monthly data points rather than daily calculations - much more manageable and still IRS-compliant. Also, if your investments performed poorly this year, that might actually work in your favor since negative net income reduces the attributable earnings. The key is documenting your methodology thoroughly. Keep all statements, show your calculation steps clearly, and complete the withdrawal before the tax filing deadline to avoid the 6% excise penalty. You'll still owe regular income tax on any earnings portion, but that's way better than ongoing penalties. Don't give up - this is totally solvable once you get the right data from your provider!
What brokerage are you using? I had a similar issue with ETrade last year but found that sometimes clearing browser cache or using a different browser can fix the import issue with TurboTax.
I've dealt with this exact situation! With a 109-page 1099-B, you definitely have options beyond manually entering every transaction. The IRS allows summary reporting for most situations, especially for covered securities where your broker already reported the basis to them. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. First, try the browser/desktop version troubleshooting mentioned by others - sometimes that fixes import issues 2. If that doesn't work, you can absolutely use the summary totals from your 1099-B. Just make sure they match exactly what was reported to the IRS 3. Your $2.75 wash sale loss is already factored into the summary amounts, so you don't need to worry about calculating that separately One thing to double-check: look at your 1099-B to see if you have any "non-covered" securities (box 3 might be unchecked for some). Those might need more detailed reporting, but most modern brokerage accounts deal primarily with covered securities. The key is matching what the IRS already has on file from your broker. As long as your summary numbers align with their records, you should be fine. Save yourself the headache of manual entry!
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm still pretty new to dealing with such large volumes of trades, so I wasn't sure if the IRS would flag summary reporting. One quick question - when you say "covered securities," how can I tell which ones those are on my 1099-B? Is there a specific box or section I should be looking at to identify them?
I just went through this exact same situation last month! I was so stressed about whether to include "LLC" in my employer's name. After reading through all these responses, I can confirm that copying the W-2 exactly is definitely the way to go. One thing that really helped me was taking a photo of my W-2 with my phone and then referring to it while typing in the employer information. That way I could make sure I got every single character, space, and punctuation mark exactly right without having to flip back and forth between documents. Also, if anyone is using tax software that auto-fills employer information, double-check that it matches your W-2 perfectly. Sometimes the software pulls from a database that might have slightly different formatting than what's actually on your specific W-2 form.
That's such a smart tip about taking a photo of the W-2! I never thought of that but it would definitely help avoid typos when entering the information. I'm a first-time filer and honestly had no idea that even spaces and punctuation could matter so much for the IRS matching system. This whole thread has been incredibly helpful - I was planning to just put the "simplified" company name but now I know to copy everything character by character. Thanks for sharing your experience!
As someone who's been filing taxes for over 20 years, I can't emphasize enough how important it is to match your W-2 exactly. I've seen so many people get their returns delayed or rejected because they thought they were being "helpful" by standardizing the company name format. The IRS computer systems are very literal - they don't understand that "ABC Company Inc" and "ABC Company, Inc." are the same business. Even that comma can make a difference! I always tell people to think of it like entering a password - every character has to be perfect. If your employer's legal name is long and your tax software has character limits, contact the software company's support first before abbreviating anything. Many of them have workarounds or can tell you which parts are most critical to keep for matching purposes. One last tip: if you worked for the same company in previous years, don't assume the name format is identical to last year. Sometimes companies update how they format their name on tax documents, so always check your current year's W-2 rather than copying from memory or old returns.
This is a really helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I made excess contributions to both traditional AND Roth IRAs for 2023. Do I need to file separate Form 5329s for each type of account, or can I report both on the same form? Also, I'm seeing conflicting information about whether I can recharacterize the traditional IRA excess contribution to a Roth IRA to avoid the penalty, or if that would just create another excess contribution issue since my income was too high for direct Roth contributions anyway. Has anyone dealt with this double excess contribution scenario before? My tax software (H&R Block) is giving me error messages when I try to enter both types of excess contributions, so I'm wondering if I need to handle this manually or switch to different software.
You can report both traditional and Roth IRA excess contributions on the same Form 5329 - there are separate sections for each type of account. Part IV is for excess contributions to traditional IRAs, and Part V is for excess contributions to Roth IRAs. Regarding recharacterization, you're right to be cautious. Since your income was too high for direct Roth contributions, recharacterizing your traditional IRA excess to a Roth would indeed create another excess contribution problem. You'd essentially be moving the excess from one bucket to another rather than solving it. Your best bet is probably to withdraw the excess contributions plus earnings from both accounts before the filing deadline. This would eliminate the 6% penalty for both. The earnings from the traditional IRA withdrawal would be subject to income tax and the 10% early withdrawal penalty, while the Roth earnings would only be subject to the 10% penalty (since Roth contributions are made with after-tax dollars). If H&R Block is giving you errors, you might need to enter them separately or consider switching to software that handles multiple excess contributions better. Some people have had success with the tax tools mentioned earlier in this thread for complex IRA situations.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation but wanted to clarify something about the timing. You mentioned withdrawing the excess contributions "as of a few days ago" - the key deadline here is the tax filing deadline for the year the contribution was made (including extensions). For 2023 contributions, that deadline was October 15, 2024 (with extension). If you withdrew after this date, you'll still owe the 6% penalty for 2023 even though you removed the excess. The penalty applies because the excess was still in the account on December 31, 2023. Regarding TaxAct showing this on your 2024 Form 5329 - that's incorrect. You need the 2023 Form 5329 to report excess contributions made for tax year 2023. Most tax software struggles with this cross-year reporting. You may need to manually prepare and mail the 2023 Form 5329 separately from your main return. And yes, you're correct about the timing for the earnings tax - you'll report that on your 2024 return next year when you receive the 1099-R from Fidelity. The 10% early withdrawal penalty will apply to just the earnings portion, not the original contribution amount.
This is really helpful clarification about the timing! I had no idea about the October 15th deadline with extensions. So just to make sure I understand correctly - if someone made excess 2023 contributions and withdrew them in, say, November 2024, they'd still owe the 6% penalty for 2023 because the money was still in the account on December 31, 2023, even though they eventually fixed it? Also, when you say "manually prepare and mail the 2023 Form 5329 separately," do you mean I should get the actual 2023 version of the form from the IRS website and fill it out by hand, or can I still use tax software to generate it as long as I specify it's for 2023? I'm nervous about making calculation errors if I have to do it completely manually.
Charlotte White
Has anyone here actually gone through an IRS audit over gifted stocks? I'm worried because I did something similar last year but don't have great records of my original purchase from like 15 years ago. What happens if you can't prove the original cost basis?
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Chloe Mitchell
โขYou might also want to try contacting the company directly if it was a stock purchase through a dividend reinvestment plan (DRIP) or employee stock purchase plan. Many companies maintain records going back decades and can provide cost basis information even when brokers can't. Also, if you have old tax returns, sometimes the dividend income reported can help reconstruct the original purchase information. The IRS is surprisingly reasonable about accepting reasonable estimates if you can show good faith effort to determine the actual basis, but you definitely want to avoid that $0 basis assumption!
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Manny Lark
โขI went through something similar a few years back. If you really can't find the original cost basis, there are a few other options before you get stuck with the $0 basis default. You can try reconstructing it using old bank statements showing the purchase, old brokerage statements (even if they don't show basis), or any dividend reinvestment records. The IRS Publication 551 actually has guidelines for estimating basis when records are incomplete. Also, if the stock split or paid stock dividends over the years, that complicates the basis calculation but your broker should be able to help with the adjustment factors. Don't panic yet - most people can dig up enough documentation to avoid the worst-case scenario!
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Ally Tailer
I went through almost this exact scenario with my mom last year when she gifted me some Apple stock she'd held since 2010. What everyone's saying about inheriting the cost basis is absolutely correct - I had to use her original purchase price from over a decade ago to calculate my capital gains, not the value when she gave it to me. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet: make sure your daughter gets the holding period too. Since you held the stock for several years, she automatically qualifies for long-term capital gains treatment (even though she only held it briefly), which means lower tax rates. This is actually a nice benefit of receiving gifted stock versus inherited stock. Also, don't forget that your daughter will need to report this on Schedule D of her tax return, and possibly Form 8949 if her broker doesn't have the correct cost basis information. My broker initially showed the wrong basis (the value when gifted rather than mom's original purchase price), so I had to make an adjustment on Form 8949. It's worth double-checking what your daughter's brokerage reports to avoid any confusion when she files.
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Yuki Yamamoto
โขThis is really helpful, thanks! I didn't realize the holding period transfers over too - that's a nice benefit. Quick question about the Form 8949 issue you mentioned: when the brokerage shows the wrong cost basis, do you just override it on the form with the correct information? And do you need to attach any documentation to prove the original purchase price, or is it mainly about having it available in case of an audit?
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Aaron Lee
โขYes, exactly! On Form 8949, you report what the broker shows in column (e), then make an adjustment in column (g) to correct it to the actual cost basis. You'd put something like "Basis adjustment for gifted property" in column (f) to explain the adjustment. As for documentation, you don't need to attach anything to your return, but definitely keep records of the original purchase (gift giver's purchase date, price, any relevant statements) in case the IRS asks. I kept copies of my mom's old brokerage statements showing her original purchase, plus a simple letter from her documenting the gift date and her cost basis. The IRS rarely questions this stuff unless the numbers seem wildly off, but having good records gives you peace of mind. One tip: make sure the gift giver provides you with all the details upfront - purchase date, original price, any stock splits or dividend reinvestments that might affect the basis calculation. It's much easier to get this info at the time of the gift than trying to reconstruct it later!
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