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One thing no one has mentioned yet - don't forget to apply these credits separately for EACH spouse if you're both self-employed! My wife and I both qualified but I initially only claimed them for myself. Each of you can claim up to 10 days of sick leave credit AND up to 50 days of family leave credit if you both had to reduce your work to care for your kids. Also, the amounts are calculated based on your net earnings from self-employment, so they could be different amounts for each spouse. The daily limits in 2022 were $511 per day for sick leave for your own illness and $200 per day for caring for someone else or for the family leave credit. Make sure your software is calculating both spouses' credits correctly!
Thanks for pointing this out! Yes, we are both claiming the credits separately based on our individual self-employment incomes. My wife's income is higher than mine, so her credits are calculating higher too. Do you know if we need any specific documentation to prove we were caring for our kids during those days? I'm worried about potential audit flags since this is making such a big difference in our taxes.
You should definitely keep documentation showing that your children's schools or care facilities were closed during the periods you're claiming. Things like emails from the school about closures, announcements from the daycare, or any formal communications about COVID-related shutdowns. Also maintain a calendar or log showing which days you had to reduce work hours to provide care. Note the days you would normally have worked but couldn't due to childcare responsibilities. And keep records of your normal work schedule pre-COVID to establish your baseline. If possible, document how your business income was affected - comparing earnings or billings from similar periods before the pandemic might help demonstrate the impact. The more documentation you have connecting the care needs to your reduced work hours, the better position you'll be in if questioned.
Has anyone else noticed that different tax software calculates these credits differently? I tried three different programs and got wildly different results. One gave me hardly any credit, another gave me a massive amount, and the third was somewhere in between. I ended up going with a professional tax preparer who specializes in self-employment taxes, and she explained that many tax software programs struggle with these specialized COVID credits because they were temporary and had complex rules.
I had the same experience! TurboTax gave me a much smaller credit than FreeTaxUSA. My accountant explained that some software was more aggressive in their interpretations of the rules while others were more conservative. He recommended documenting everything carefully in case of an audit, regardless of which calculation you go with.
Have you checked if there's a difference between your actual Schedule D and what the software summary is showing? Sometimes the software interface displays simplifications but the actual Schedule D will show the correct carryover amount. Look at the Schedule D and the "Capital Loss Carryover Worksheet" in the actual forms. Also, some tax software require you to manually enter previous year carryovers rather than importing them correctly. Double check if that might be the issue.
Thanks for the tip! I just looked at the actual Schedule D form in the PDF and you're right - there's a discrepancy. The main software screen shows $0 carryover, but Schedule D Line 16 is showing the $4,000 remaining loss amount. So it looks like the calculation is correct in the actual forms but just displaying wrong in the summary screen? Do you think I should contact the software company about this display issue or just ignore it since the actual form seems correct?
If the actual Schedule D shows the correct $4,000 carryover amount, then your tax return is being filed correctly and you should be fine. This is definitely just a display issue in the software interface. It's still worth reporting to the software company since others might be confused by the same issue. Take screenshots of both the incorrect summary page and the correct Schedule D to include with your report. But as far as your taxes are concerned, you're good to go - the IRS receives the actual forms, not the software's summary screens.
Double check your amounts across tax years. I went through smth similar and realized I misremembered my 2022 loss. Ended up being $21k not $24k like I thought. Check all the actual Schedule D forms across years. The math should always balance out if your going from 1 yr to next!
This is good advice. Numbers get fuzzy when we rely on memory. I've messed up carryovers before because I was working from memory instead of having my previous return open while doing my current taxes.
Something to consider - if they were primarily on Social Security and VA benefits, they might not have had a filing requirement at all depending on their other income. Those benefits are often not taxable or only partially taxable. But the estate itself (Form 1041) is a separate matter from their personal returns (Form 1040). Even if they didn't need to file personal returns, the estate might have filing requirements depending on income generated after death (like interest on accounts, sale of property, etc).
That's really helpful context. The mobile home was repossessed rather than sold, and I don't think there were any investment accounts generating income. Does that mean the estate might not have needed to file either? I'm trying to figure out if we're in deep trouble or if this might be a relatively minor issue.
Based on what you've described, it sounds like the estate tax situation might be fairly straightforward. If the manufactured home was repossessed rather than sold by the estate, there wouldn't be income from that transaction. Without investment accounts generating income, the estate may have had minimal or no taxable income. That said, estates still have filing requirements even with zero tax liability in many cases. The 1041-ES forms you received suggest the IRS believes there is some obligation, but it could be much simpler than you fear. Getting the transcript information from the IRS will help clarify exactly what they're expecting.
Make sure you look into any potential penalties for failure to file. Even if your in-laws didn't owe taxes due to their income types, there can still be penalties for not filing required returns. However, the IRS can sometimes waive these penalties for reasonable cause. Also, check if your state has separate estate tax requirements - some states have their own processes apart from federal.
I used to work for a state benefits agency (not federal, but similar systems). Just want to clarify something - these cross-checks have actually been happening for years, just not systematically or efficiently. The DOGE initiative is mainly about automating and improving what was already supposed to be happening. The biggest issue we saw wasn't people deliberately committing fraud, but honest mistakes in how income was reported or categorized. Like someone would forget to include certain types of income on their benefits application but would report it correctly on taxes, or vice versa. My advice: keep good records of EVERYTHING. If you get flagged for review, don't panic - just be ready to explain any discrepancies with documentation.
Should people proactively contact their benefits offices about potential discrepancies, or just wait to see if they get flagged?
Generally, it's better to wait until you're contacted unless you realize you've made a significant error that would affect your eligibility. The verification systems are designed to filter out minor discrepancies, and proactively contacting benefits offices often just creates confusion when there might not be an issue. If you do discover you've made a major reporting error that would affect your eligibility, then yes, you should contact the appropriate office to correct it. But for small differences in how income is categorized or reported, the cross-referencing systems typically have thresholds for what triggers a review.
Does anyone know which federal benefits are being included in this DOGE initiative? Is it just income-based programs like SNAP and TANF, or does it include Social Security retirement and disability too?
Paolo Marino
If you're only struggling with Form 7203, you might want to try a tax software like UltraTax or Lacerte. They have really solid S Corp modules that walk you through basis calculations step by step. I'm not an accountant but I manage two small S Corps and figured out the basis stuff myself after watching some YouTube tutorials and using the right software. The key is understanding that business credit card debt you personally pay affects your basis differently depending on whether you're paying it directly or if you transferred it first. Also, losses from 2021 that exceeded your basis can be carried forward indefinitely until you have enough basis to absorb them.
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Amina Bah
ā¢Would those software options be overkill for a really small contracting business? I have similar basis issues but my revenue is under 100k and I only have a few transactions per month. Seems like these might be expensive professional-grade software.
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Paolo Marino
ā¢You're right that they can be expensive for a small operation. UltraTax starts around $2,000 which definitely isn't worth it just for one form. There are more affordable options though - Drake Tax has an S Corp module that's more reasonably priced at around $350 for a year. For a business under 100k with few transactions, you might actually be better off with a specialized accountant for this one issue. Once you understand how basis works for your specific situation, you can probably handle it yourself in future years by creating a simple spreadsheet to track your basis adjustments. The first year is always the hardest with basis calculations, especially when you have losses and personal payments of business expenses.
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Oliver Becker
I was in exactly this situation last year!! My advice - if u can afford it just hire a full service accountant for the entire return. I tried to do what ur suggesting and ended up with a mess. The accountant I approached wanted to review EVERYTHING anyway to make sure the 7203 was right. He said basis is connected to everything else. The debt transfer between personal/business cards makes it even more complicated. When I transferred business debt to personal, it was actually considered a contribution to capital which INCREASED my basis (which helped me claim more losses). But an accountant needs to see your full situation to determine this.
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Dmitry Volkov
ā¢Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you end up going with a full-service accountant then? The cost is definitely a factor for me, especially since my business is pretty small. I'm hoping there might be a middle ground where someone could help me understand the basis calculations without taking on the full return.
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Oliver Becker
ā¢I did end up hiring a full-service accountant and honestly it was worth every penny. They found several things I'd been doing wrong beyond just the basis issues. It cost about $950 for both my personal and S Corp returns, which felt steep at first, but they found almost $3,600 in additional deductions I'd missed in previous years. The middle ground might be a consultation. Some accountants will do a 1-2 hour paid consultation where they'll review your specific basis situation and teach you how to handle it, without actually preparing the return. My accountant now offers this for $175/hour. They can show you exactly how to track basis going forward, which might be worth it even if you only use them once.
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