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Zara Khan

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Former revenue agent here. While the Cohan Rule technically applies only to expenses, there is a practical reality to how we handle cash business revenue audits. We do understand that perfect documentation isn't always possible, but we expect to see a systematic approach to revenue tracking. For a food truck, we would typically look at: - Food/supply purchases and typical markup rates - Register Z-tapes or POS system reports - Bank deposits (recognizing some cash might be used for immediate expenses) - Industry standards for similar businesses The key difference between expense and revenue estimation is burden of proof. With expenses, some estimation is permitted under Cohan. With revenue, the burden is higher, but we don't expect the impossible either.

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Thank you! This is super helpful. For my food truck, would keeping a daily sales journal (even just handwritten) alongside my inventory purchases be considered a "systematic approach" if I can't afford a fancy POS system yet?

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Zara Khan

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Yes, a consistently maintained daily sales journal would definitely qualify as a systematic approach, especially when backed up by inventory purchase records. The key is consistency and reasonableness. Make sure your daily logs show total sales, and ideally break it down by broad categories if applicable (food vs. drinks, etc.). Even a simple spreadsheet updated daily is fine. What raises red flags in audits is when there's no system at all, or when reported income doesn't align with the lifestyle or business volume we observe.

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Luca Ferrari

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Has anyone tried using those industry standard guides for restaurants/food service to back up their revenue claims? I've heard IRS sometimes uses those to estimate what your business "should" be making based on location, type, etc.

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Nia Davis

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I used the National Restaurant Association's industry reports during an audit of my small cafe. The IRS agent was familiar with them and it actually helped me show that my reported revenue was in line with industry averages for my type of business in my area. They still wanted to see my actual records, but having that benchmark data definitely helped establish that my numbers were reasonable.

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I ran into this same issue and found that if you go to Forms mode in TurboTax (instead of the interview mode), you can directly access and fill out Schedule E. This might be another workaround if you're comfortable with tax forms and know exactly what you're doing. Just be careful though - bypassing the interview process means you might miss some of the calculations TurboTax normally does automatically, especially around basis limitations and passive activity rules. But it's an option if you're stuck.

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Ryder Ross

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Thanks for this tip! I'm a bit nervous about using Forms mode since I'm not super confident about the basis calculations. Have you had any issues with TurboTax calculating things incorrectly when you use this method?

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I wouldn't recommend Forms mode unless you're very familiar with partnership tax rules. In my experience, filling forms directly can lead to errors with basis calculations since TurboTax won't prompt you for all the information it needs. The safer approach is definitely using the K-1 interview section under "Less Common Income" as others suggested. TurboTax will ask all the right questions about your basis, at-risk amounts, and passive activity involvement there, then properly calculate limitations before populating Schedule E correctly.

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I switched from TurboTax to FreeTaxUSA this year specifically because of this issue. Their interface for Schedule E and K-1 entries is much more straightforward and actually explains the limited partnership loss rules better. Cost me only $15 for state filing (federal was free) vs the $120+ I was paying for TurboTax Premier.

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Mia Green

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Did FreeTaxUSA handle the passive loss limitations correctly though? That's my biggest concern with cheaper tax software - sometimes they miss the complex calculations.

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Maya Lewis

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One thing nobody's mentioned - if any of your new appliances are energy efficient, you might qualify for energy credits under the Inflation Reduction Act. We got about $840 back on our taxes last year after installing a new energy efficient water heater and upgrading our electric panel. Check out Form 5695 for residential energy credits. The rules changed in 2022 so some of the online advice is outdated. Pretty sure electrical panel upgrades can qualify for a credit now!

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Isaac Wright

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Do you know if there's an income limit for claiming these energy credits? I heard somewhere that if you make over a certain amount you don't qualify for them.

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Maya Lewis

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There aren't income limits for the basic Residential Clean Energy Credit (Part I of Form 5695) which covers things like solar panels and geothermal heat pumps. You get 30% of the cost back as a credit regardless of income. For the Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credit (Part II of Form 5695) which would cover things like insulation, windows, doors, and potentially some electrical work, there also aren't income limits currently. However, there are maximum credit amounts depending on the type of improvement. For example, there's a $600 limit for certain high-efficiency exterior windows and a $500 limit for certain exterior doors.

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Lucy Taylor

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle home improvement stuff? I'm trying to figure out if their basic version covers this or if I need to upgrade to deluxe or premier?

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You'll definitely need at least Deluxe for any home improvement related stuff. The basic version really only handles W-2 income and simple returns. I'd actually recommend Premier if you're dealing with selling property or rental income.

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Another option to consider is calling the IRS directly at 800-829-1040. If you explain that your W2s were returned to sender and you can't reach your employer, they can sometimes help. You'll need your social security number, personal info, and an estimate of your income/withholding (check your last paystub of the year). If your employers are being unresponsive, the IRS might even contact them on your behalf. Just be prepared to wait on hold for a long time when you call.

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Emma Morales

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Have you actually managed to get through to the IRS this way recently? I tried calling that number three times last week and couldn't get past the automated system - it just disconnected me after saying they had too many calls.

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I've gotten through in the past, but you're right that it's extremely difficult during peak tax season. Your best chance is to call right when they open (7am EST) and be prepared to navigate through several automated menus. Choose the option for "having a problem with your taxes" rather than "need forms" to increase your chances of reaching a person. I should have mentioned that this approach requires a lot of patience and might take multiple attempts. If time is crucial, some of the other options people have suggested might be faster.

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Don't forget to check if your W2s are available on the SSA website! Go to https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/ and create an account if you don't have one. Sometimes you can view your W2 information there even if you don't have the physical forms.

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Lucas Parker

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The SSA site only shows your lifetime earnings record, not current year W2 details. That won't help with filing taxes for this year. You need the actual W2 or the IRS wage transcript.

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Ben Cooper

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One important distinction that hasn't been mentioned: a Tax Court docket record showing "assessed deficiency" means the case has progressed to actual litigation. This happens after you receive a Notice of Deficiency (90-day letter) and then file a petition with the Tax Court to challenge it. If you're just seeing a "potential deficiency" notice, you're still in the administrative process, not the litigation phase. You can often resolve this without going to Tax Court by responding with appropriate documentation.

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So does that mean if I can't resolve the "potential deficiency" with documentation, my case will end up on a docket record too? At what point does it move from administrative to legal proceedings?

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Ben Cooper

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The progression typically works like this: First you get the initial inquiry (CP2000 or similar), then if unresolved, you receive a Statutory Notice of Deficiency (90-day letter). Only after receiving that 90-day letter and then filing a petition with the Tax Court would your case appear on a docket. You have significant opportunities to resolve the issue before reaching the Tax Court stage. Many deficiency issues are resolved during the correspondence audit phase or through the IRS Appeals office. Tax Court is usually the last resort when you and the IRS fundamentally disagree about your tax liability and can't reach a settlement.

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Naila Gordon

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Does anyone know how to check if there's an "assessed deficiency" on your account before you get any notices? I'm paranoid now and want to make sure there's nothing lurking in my IRS records that I don't know about.

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Cynthia Love

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You can create an account on the IRS website (irs.gov) and view your tax account transcript. It'll show any assessments, payments, and adjustments to your account. I check mine regularly since I had an issue a couple years ago.

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