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Been a landlord for 15 years. Here's the simple version: Regular rental activity = passive income = NO self-employment tax, even with QBI. The confusion happens because QBI requires "trade or business" activity, which sounds like it would trigger SE tax, but the IRS specifically carved out rental real estate as an exception. You only pay SE tax if you're basically running a hotel/B&B type operation OR if you're a real estate dealer (buying/selling properties as your primary business). Just collecting rent, handling repairs, finding tenants, etc. won't trigger SE tax.
What about short term rentals like Airbnb? I have a vacation property I rent out and I'm taking QBI on it, but now I'm worried about the self employment tax thing.
Short-term rentals exist in a gray area that depends entirely on the level of services you provide. If you're just providing the basic rental with minimal services (cleaning between guests, basic amenities), it's still generally treated as rental income without SE tax. If you're providing substantial services like daily cleaning, breakfast, concierge services, guided tours, etc., then it starts looking more like a hotel operation and could trigger SE tax. The more your rental resembles a hotel experience rather than just a place to stay, the more likely you'll face SE tax. This is true even if you're using Airbnb or similar platforms.
Anyone know if property management fees count toward the "services" that might trigger self employment tax? I own the properties but pay a company to handle everything.
Using a property management company actually strengthens your position that it's passive income not subject to self-employment tax. When you hire a management company, you're further removed from the day-to-day operations, which reinforces the passive nature of your investment. The management company might need to pay self-employment tax on their fees (depending on their business structure), but you as the property owner are just collecting passive rental income. This arrangement makes it very clear that you're an investor, not running an active business, so you can still potentially qualify for QBI without worrying about SE tax.
Pro tip: Keep a PDF copy of your filed return AND a screenshot of your payment confirmation. The IRS "Where's My Refund" tool doesn't help much when you owe money, but the IRS online account is super helpful for this situation. It usually updates within a week to show your payment.
Do you know if the payment shows up before the return is fully processed? Mine came out of my bank already but I'm still waiting on confirmation the return was accepted.
Yes, the payment typically shows up in your IRS online account before your return is fully processed. The payment system and return processing system operate somewhat independently. So you might see your payment listed as "received" while your return is still showing as "processing." In my experience last year, my payment appeared in my IRS account about 3 days after I made it, but my return wasn't marked as fully processed for almost 2 weeks. As long as your payment shows up there, you should be fine even if your return takes longer.
Just a heads up - if this is your first time owing instead of getting a refund, double check that you don't need to make estimated tax payments for 2025. I made this mistake and got hit with an underpayment penalty the following year 😩
How do you know if you need to make estimated payments? I'm in the same boat this year.
Just wanted to add that you should also check if your college grant looks at AGI (adjusted gross income) or total income. If it's AGI-based, you might have some options to reduce your reportable income. For example, you could make a deductible IRA contribution before the tax filing deadline, which would lower your AGI for 2024. The contribution limit is $7,000 for 2024 if you're under 50. Even if you don't have much savings, you could potentially use part of your December paycheck to make this contribution.
Do you know if HSA contributions work the same way for reducing AGI? I have a high-deductible health plan and wondering if I could make a last-minute HSA contribution to lower my income for financial aid.
Yes, HSA contributions absolutely work for reducing your AGI! For 2024, you can contribute up to $4,150 for individual coverage or $8,300 for family coverage. And you're right, you can make these contributions all the way up until the tax filing deadline (normally April 15, 2025) and still have them count for your 2024 taxes. It's actually one of the best tax advantages available because the money goes in pre-tax, grows tax-free, and comes out tax-free when used for qualified medical expenses. Definitely a great strategy for reducing AGI for financial aid purposes.
Double check with your financial aid office ASAP!! Different grants have different income verification methods. Some use FAFSA's prior-prior year, some look at calendar year, and others might even look at academic year income. I lost a scholarship because I assumed it was based on tax year income, but they actually were looking at a different 12-month period. Biggest financial mistake of my college career :
This! Financial aid rules are super confusing and inconsistent. My roommate and I both applied for the same grant, but they calculated our eligibility completely differently because of how our parents' income was reported.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - check if your area offers any homeowner exemptions you might qualify for! Many counties have: - Homestead exemptions (for primary residences) - Senior citizen exemptions (if you're over 65) - Veteran exemptions - Disability exemptions We bought in 2022 also and didn't realize we needed to apply for the homestead exemption - it doesn't happen automatically! When we finally applied, it knocked $1500 off our annual bill. Deadlines vary by location but many counties have April 1st deadlines for the following tax year.
I had no idea about these exemptions! We definitely qualify for the homestead one since this is our primary residence. Do these typically have income limits or other requirements? Also, can I apply for 2023 taxes still or would it only affect 2024?
Most homestead exemptions don't have income limits - they simply require that the home is your primary residence (usually you can only claim one homestead exemption in a state). Some states do offer additional income-based exemptions on top of the standard homestead benefit. For 2023 taxes, it depends on your county. Some allow retroactive applications while others don't. Many counties allow you to apply for the current tax year up until their deadline (often in spring). I'd call your assessor's office ASAP and ask if you can still apply for 2023. If not, definitely get your application in for 2024. Even if you've missed the window for this year, getting it set up for next year is still worthwhile - these exemptions typically remain in place automatically for future years once approved.
Has anyone successfully appealed their assessment without using one of these services? I feel like the county is just going to reject whatever I submit cause they want the tax money.
I've done it twice in the last 5 years without any special service. First time I just submitted photos showing problems with my property (cracked foundation, water damage in basement) and they reduced my assessment by 8%. Second time I printed out assessment values for 6 similar homes in my neighborhood that were valued lower, and they reduced mine by 12%. The key is documentation and being polite but persistent. The assessor's office isn't personally trying to get more tax money - they're just following their procedures and often working with outdated or incomplete info. If you provide better data, many will adjust accordingly.
Oliver Becker
There's another option nobody has mentioned! If your parents CAN claim you but choose not to, they can still claim the education expenses on THEIR return, even if you file your own return for your income. That might be more beneficial overall if they're in a higher tax bracket. My parents and I worked it out this way - I filed my own return for my part-time job, but they claimed me as a dependent and took the education credits. We calculated both ways and they saved way more, so they gave me some of the savings. Win-win!
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Natasha Petrova
•Would this work if the student paid for tuition themselves from their own savings? My son is using money from his 529 plan that's in his name, not mine.
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Oliver Becker
•That's a great question - yes, it can still work! What matters is who can claim the student as a dependent, not who actually paid the expenses. Even if your son paid his tuition from his own 529 plan, as long as he qualifies as your dependent (under 24, full-time student, you provide more than half his support), you can claim the education credits on your return. The IRS doesn't track whose bank account paid the school - they care about dependent status.
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Javier Hernandez
Has anyone run into trouble with the IRS questioning your support calculation? I'm nervous about claiming I provide more than 50% of my support when it's honestly hard to calculate exactly. I pay my tuition with loans in my name, buy my own food, and pay for my car, but my parents provide housing and health insurance.
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Emma Davis
•I had to prove this during an IRS review last year. They wanted documentation for EVERYTHING. Make sure you keep records of all your expenses, income, loans, etc. The housing part is tricky - they count the fair rental value of your parents' support.
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