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KylieRose

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One approach I haven't seen mentioned is grouping all your rental properties as a single activity by making an election under Section 469(c)(7)(A). This doesn't help with meeting the 750 hours/50% time test to qualify as a real estate professional, but IF you can qualify, this election lets you treat all rental properties as one activity to meet the material participation test. Without this election, you'd need to materially participate in EACH property separately, which is much harder. Just something to keep in mind if you ever do qualify as a real estate professional.

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That's really interesting - I hadn't heard about this election before. So if I eventually cut back my consulting hours and qualify as a real estate professional, I could make this election to treat all my properties as one activity? Does this need to be done the first year I qualify or can it be done in any year?

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KylieRose

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You can make the election in any year that you qualify as a real estate professional. It's done by filing a statement with your tax return that you're making this election under Section 469(c)(7)(A). Once made, the election applies to that year and all future years unless you revoke it. This is a huge benefit because without the election, you'd have to meet the material participation test separately for each property to deduct losses from that specific property. With the election, all your real estate activities are combined, making it much easier to meet the material participation standards across your entire portfolio.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to file with Real Estate Professional Status? I'm not sure if it handles this situation correctly and I don't want to mess it up.

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Sasha Ivanov

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I used TurboTax last year for my REPS filing and it actually does handle it pretty well. There's a section specifically for real estate professionals where you can indicate you qualify and it will then allow you to deduct your rental losses against your other income. Just make sure you have good documentation of your hours in case of an audit!

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Amina Toure

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Another approach that worked for our county agency was contacting our state's tax department. Since they also have to comply with Pub 1075 for their IRS data sharing agreement, they had already created a modified template that addresses the 2021 requirements. They were happy to share their template with us after we signed an NDA. Many state tax departments have dedicated Safeguards Coordinators who work on this compliance full-time and might have better resources than what's publicly available.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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That's a smart approach I hadn't considered. Did your state make substantial changes to the template format, or did they just add sections for the new requirements? I'm trying to gauge how different the new SSR should look.

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Amina Toure

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They kept the same general structure of the 2016 template but expanded several sections. The most significant changes were in the areas covering cloud environments, remote access, and encryption requirements. They also added entirely new sections for container security, mobile device management, and the updated incident response procedures. The nice thing about their template is that they clearly marked which requirements were from the 2021 revision, making it easy to see what's new. The overall document ended up being about 20% longer than the old template due to the additional controls.

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One important thing to note about Pub 1075 compliance for 2021 that hasn't been mentioned yet - they've significantly changed how they want agencies to handle virtual environments and cloud computing. If you're using any cloud services like AWS, Azure, or Google Cloud to process or store FTI, there are completely new requirements that weren't in the 2016 revision. The SSR needs to specifically document how your cloud environment meets requirements like FedRAMP authorization and data segregation.

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This is a huge issue for us too. We're moving some systems to Azure GovCloud and trying to figure out exactly what needs to be in the SSR about it. Does anyone know if IRS accepts the FedRAMP authorization package as evidence, or do we need to document all the controls separately?

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Dylan Wright

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One workaround I found in FreeTaxUSA last year for my wife (Chinese student with treaty benefits) was to use the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) instead of trying to find a tax treaty specific option. It's not technically the correct form, but it accomplishes the same thing - excluding certain foreign-sourced income from taxation. The software walks you through it much better than trying to do manual adjustments on Schedule 1.

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Sofia Torres

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Isn't this potentially risky from an audit perspective? Using the wrong form even if the end result is similar seems like asking for trouble...especially since Form 2555 is for US citizens/residents living abroad, not for foreign citizens in the US claiming treaty benefits.

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Dylan Wright

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You raise a good point about audit risk. After thinking about it more, I wouldn't recommend my approach. While it worked in terms of getting the correct tax amount calculated, it's definitely not the right way to claim treaty benefits. The IRS could rightfully question why Form 2555 was used when the requirements weren't met. The proper approach is definitely what others have suggested - report the income, then use Schedule 1 with a negative adjustment and proper treaty reference. Sometimes taking shortcuts leads to bigger problems later!

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Has anyone else just given up on FreeTaxUSA for international student situations? I switched to Sprintax last year after dealing with this exact problem and it was worth the extra money. They have all the tax treaty options built right in and handle both 1040 and 1040-NR situations.

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Sprintax is definitely designed better for international students but it's so expensive! $85 for federal plus $45 for each state is a lot when FreeTaxUSA is free federal and $15 state. If you can figure out the treaty reporting correctly, FreeTaxUSA saves a ton.

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CosmicCadet

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Just to add another data point - I had to withdraw from my 401k last year and yes, the 20% federal withholding is standard. But I actually had to pay MORE at tax time because that 20% wasn't enough to cover my actual tax bracket once the distribution was added to my other income. If you're normally in the 15% bracket, the extra $12,000 could potentially push some of your income into a higher bracket. Don't assume you'll get money back - might want to set aside a bit more just in case.

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Ethan Moore

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Thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't considered that the additional 12k might push me into a higher bracket. Do you think I should make an estimated tax payment to be safe?

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CosmicCadet

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Based on your situation, making an estimated tax payment might be smart, especially if the $12,000 pushes your total income significantly higher than normal. If you want to play it safe, you could calculate roughly how much additional tax you might owe beyond the 20% already withheld and make a quarterly estimated payment. This would help avoid any potential underpayment penalties when you file. Better to be prepared than surprised with a tax bill you weren't expecting.

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Liam O'Connor

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Random question - did your 401k provider give you any options about the withholding? When I took a hardship withdrawal they let me choose whether to have taxes withheld or not.

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Amara Adeyemi

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That's not actually correct for 401k withdrawals. The 20% federal withholding is mandatory for 401k plans - administrators are required by law to withhold it. You might be thinking of an IRA withdrawal, where withholding IS optional. Big difference between the two account types regarding withholding rules.

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Tax Withholding Calculation on Non-qualified Deferred Compensation Distribution - Seems Wrong?

Hey fellow tax warriors, I'm hoping someone can help with a weird tax withholding situation on my NQDC plan. I retired from a big consulting firm back in 2021 and had a good chunk of money in their non-qualified deferred compensation plan. My payout is structured over 10 years with annual payments of about $165k. The first payment in 2023 went fine, but this year (2024) something bizarre happened. The company calculated my tax withholding as if I was receiving 24 payments throughout the year instead of the single annual payment I actually get. This made it look like I was earning $3.9 million annually, and they withheld taxes at that rate! This resulted in about $53k of excess withholding that I won't see until filing my taxes in 2025. I challenged this through their claims process, and they just sent me a copy of worksheet 1A from IRS publication 15T showing they used 24 payments in Step 1b to calculate the withholding. But I only receive ONE payment per year, not 24! This seems completely wrong - I'm not earning millions, and now I'm out $53k for over a year until I file my 2024 taxes. I'm worried this will trigger an IRS audit, and I'm concerned they'll keep doing this for the remaining 8 years of payouts. Nothing in the plan document mentioned this bizarre tax treatment. Is there any tax code that allows them to calculate withholding this way? Do I have grounds to file a complaint with the IRS or DOL? I can't imagine other plan participants are getting hit like this.

Chloe Davis

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Another option to consider is filing Form W-4V to elect voluntary additional withholding. If they won't change their method, you could potentially offset their excessive withholding by claiming more allowances. Not ideal, but might help mitigate the overwithholding problem. Also, if this continues, you might want to adjust your quarterly estimated tax payments to account for the expected refund. This could help with your cash flow throughout the year rather than waiting for a large refund.

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Javier Cruz

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Wouldn't filing Form W-4V only work for certain government payments? My NQDC is from a private employer. And for the quarterly estimated payments - wouldn't I potentially face underpayment penalties if I reduce them too much, even if I know I'll get a big refund later?

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Chloe Davis

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You're absolutely right about Form W-4V - I misspoke. For employer payments, you'd use a regular Form W-4. My apologies for the confusion! Regarding estimated tax payments, you're also correct to be concerned about underpayment penalties. However, the IRS has a "safe harbor" provision - if you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of the prior year's tax (110% if your AGI exceeds $150,000), you won't face penalties. So you could potentially use last year's tax liability as your guide for this year's payments, taking into account the expected overwithholding from your NQDC distribution.

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AstroAlpha

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Has anyone considered that the employer might actually be required to withhold at this rate? I work in payroll (different industry) and sometimes supplemental wages above certain thresholds have mandatory withholding requirements that can't be adjusted, especially for high-income earners. Just wondering if this might be a compliance thing rather than a mistake.

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Diego Chavez

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That's not accurate for NQDC distributions. While there are mandatory withholding rates for some supplemental wages (like bonuses), NQDC distributions definitely allow for either the aggregate method or the flat rate method. The issue here is that the employer is choosing the method that creates an artificially high withholding rate by annualizing a single payment. The mandatory withholding for supplemental wages over $1 million is 37%, but that's only for the portion above $1M. For someone receiving $165k annually, that's not even relevant.

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