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3 Paper file, paper file, paper file. I went through this exact situation in 2022. Include a cover letter explaining that your ex claimed your child against the court order, and attach relevant pages from your custody agreement (highlight the important parts). Also, if you can get your ex to file an amended return removing the child, that will speed things up. But don't count on that happening - most exes aren't that cooperative. Be prepared to wait 3-4 months for your refund. The IRS is slow with paper returns that have special circumstances.
5 Does the IRS actually enforce the court order though? My friend said the IRS told her they don't care about custody agreements and just follow their own tie-breaker rules about who the kid lived with more days.
3 The IRS does respect court orders for dependent claims, but they don't automatically know about them. That's why you need to provide the documentation. If the court order specifically states who claims the child in which tax year, the IRS will enforce that over their tie-breaker rules. However, if your court order is vague or doesn't specifically address tax dependency, then the IRS will default to their tie-breaker rules which primarily look at where the child lived for more nights during the year. That's why it's important to have clear language in your custody agreement about tax matters.
22 Has anyone used the IRS Identity Protection PIN system to prevent this from happening again in future years? I'm thinking about requesting PINs for my kids after dealing with this same issue.
Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation last year. I converted my primary home to a rental in November 2022, put new flooring in, and didn't get tenants until February 2023. My CPA told me that "placed in service" date is when you make the property available and ACTIVELY try to rent it. Having a property management agreement in December 2022 is definitely good evidence of this. He said I could deduct December HOA, utilities, insurance, etc. even though I had zero rental income that year. For the flooring, he made me split it into two categories: 1. The portion that was clearly replacing damaged materials (about 60% of my project) was classified as a repair and fully deductible in 2022 2. The portion that was upgrading/improving (going from carpet to luxury vinyl) had to be depreciated over 27.5 years This created a rental loss in 2022 that I was able to use against my other income (subject to passive activity limits). Made a big difference on my tax bill!
This is so helpful! Did your CPA require any specific documentation to prove the "placed in service" date? I have the property management contract, but I'm wondering if I should gather anything else just to be safe.
My CPA wanted several things to document the "placed in service" date: 1. The signed property management agreement (most important) 2. Listing photos and official listing date from the property management company 3. Evidence of any advertising for tenants (online listings, etc.) 4. Email communications showing we were actively trying to find tenants He also suggested I keep all receipts for the flooring work along with photos of the damaged original flooring to justify the "repair" classification for the damaged portion. Having documentation of the water damage was particularly important in our case. Better to gather too much documentation than not enough, especially if you're claiming a loss in a year with no rental income. It raises the audit risk a bit, but if you have good documentation, you should be fine.
Has anyone used TurboTax for this situation? I'm trying to figure out if their rental property section can handle this kind of scenario with no income but expenses in the first year. Their interface is confusing me...
I used TurboTax last year for this exact situation. Their rental property section actually handles it pretty well. When you add the property, there's a field for "date placed in service" - put your December 2022 date there. Then it will let you enter all expenses even if you show $0 for income. For the flooring, TurboTax will ask if each expense is a repair or improvement. If you classify as repair, you deduct it all immediately. If improvement, it adds it to the depreciation schedule. The key is being consistent with how you classify things. One tip: make sure you answer "Yes" to actively participating in the rental when it asks. This is important for being able to deduct losses against other income (up to $25,000 depending on your overall income level).
Have you considered using a "blocker" corporation structure? This is something my business did with our hybrid activities. Essentially, we created a parent holding company that owned both the excluded activities (financial services) and a separate blocker corporation that contained only the qualified business activities (manufacturing in our case). The key is making sure the blocker corporation independently meets all QSBS requirements, including the gross asset test and the active business requirement. Investors then purchase shares directly in the blocker corporation rather than the parent company. Our tax attorney structured it so that profit flows appropriately between entities while maintaining the QSBS qualification.
That's really interesting! I hadn't heard of using a blocker corporation like that. Would this approach work better than simply having two separate subsidiaries under the parent company? And did you have to deal with any step-transaction concerns from the IRS?
The blocker approach works better than two subsidiaries under a parent because when you have subsidiaries, the parent's qualification depends on the aggregate activities of all subsidiaries. With the blocker structure, you're allowing direct investment into the qualified entity. We didn't face step-transaction concerns because we established the structure well before any sale was contemplated (about 3 years prior). The IRS generally respects properly structured entities with legitimate business purposes. The key is having proper governance, separate books, arm's length transactions between entities, and maintaining the structure for a substantial time before any sale. Also make sure your qualified corporation meets the active business requirement independently and isn't just a passive investment vehicle.
Be careful with Section 1202! Our company initially thought we qualified, claimed the QSBS exclusion on a partial sale, and then got audited. The IRS determined that just 15% of our "consulting" business was actually providing training (qualified) while 85% was financial advice (excluded). We had to pay back taxes plus penalties. Make sure whatever structure you set up has a clear operational separation between the activities, with separate accounting, management, and business purposes. And document EVERYTHING! Get your structure reviewed by someone who specializes in QSBS - most regular CPAs don't understand all the nuances.
How much was the penalty? I'm planning to sell shares in our business next year and now I'm worried about claiming QSBS incorrectly!
I'm a college student too and had the same issue. My parents could claim me but didn't want to. What I learned is that there's a specific order to follow: 1) First, determine if someone CAN claim you based on the dependency tests 2) If yes, you MUST check that box even if they don't actually claim you 3) Your parents should calculate their taxes both ways (claiming you vs not) to see which is better overall In our case, my parents saved more by not claiming me, but I still had to check the box that I could be claimed. It sucks because I lost out on some credits, but filing correctly is important.
Can your parents just give you the difference in what they would've saved? Like if they get an extra $2000 by not claiming you, but you lose $1200 in credits, could they just give you the $1200 so everyone wins?
Yes, that's actually exactly what my parents did! They calculated that they would save about $800 by claiming me, but I would lose $1200 in credits. So they decided not to claim me and instead gave me $900 as a gift. That way our family as a whole came out ahead, and I still got more than if they had claimed me. The key is that regardless of their decision or any money they give you, you still need to answer the tax form questions honestly. The question isn't asking about what someone else decided to do on their return - it's asking whether you meet the criteria to be claimed as a dependent.
guys, I was in this EXACT situation last year and the IRS actually audited me!!! I said "no" nobody could claim me (even tho my parents could have) because they didn't actually claim me on their return. BIG MISTAKE. I got a letter 6 months later and had to pay back all the credits I shouldn't have gotten plus interest. They don't mess around with this stuff.
Yikes that's scary! Did you have to pay any penalties too? I wonder how the IRS even figured out that your parents could have claimed you?
Scarlett Forster
For the transfer pricing documentation, don't forget you might need a country-by-country report depending on your company size. We had to scramble to comply with this when our revenue hit the threshold. Different countries have different thresholds and requirements too - some want documentation prepared in advance, others only if you're audited. Also watch out for permanent establishment risks not just from offices but from employees who travel frequently to other countries. We had a sales guy spending so much time in Germany that they determined we had a "permanent establishment" there even without an office.
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Ryder Everingham
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know roughly what revenue threshold typically triggers the country-by-country reporting requirement? And how did you handle the permanent establishment issue in Germany - did you have to create a legal entity there or was there another solution?
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Scarlett Forster
ā¢The country-by-country reporting threshold is generally ā¬750 million (about $800 million) in annual consolidated group revenue for most countries following OECD guidelines. But there are local variations, and some countries have additional reporting requirements at lower thresholds. For our German permanent establishment issue, we ended up creating a formal subsidiary since we were planning expansion there anyway. But there are other approaches depending on your situation - some companies use a third-party employer of record, limit employee time in-country, or restructure responsibilities. The key is addressing it proactively rather than waiting for tax authorities to come knocking. In our case, we faced some back taxes and penalties before we got everything properly structured.
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Arnav Bengali
Does anyone know a good resource explaining how software licensing specifically works with transfer pricing? Most of the examples I see are about physical goods, but valuing intangibles like software seems way more complicated.
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Sayid Hassan
ā¢The OECD Transfer Pricing Guidelines have a whole chapter on intangibles including software. But honestly it's super technical. I found the book "Transfer Pricing and Intellectual Property" by Abdallah and Murtuza more digestible - it has software examples. Software is tricky because you need to separate the value of the core IP from the local customization and support.
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