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Has anyone tried OnPay? My brother uses it for his contracting business and says it's cheaper than Gusto but still does everything automatically. I'm looking at options for my pet grooming shop with 5 employees.
Do they handle multi-state employees? I have people working remotely from different states now and it's becoming a nightmare with my current system.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone using it long-term. Does it handle tip reporting well? That's something we need to manage for our groomers. OnPay does handle multi-state employees really well according to their website. My brother mentioned they actually specialize in that since they work with a lot of construction companies that cross state lines. You can apparently set up unlimited state tax accounts without extra fees.
Just wanna say, as someone who tried to DIY payroll for a year with spreadsheets, PLEASE use actual payroll software regardless of which one you pick!!! I messed up our quarterly filings so badly we ended up with $2300 in penalties and had to hire a tax pro to fix everything. The money you spend on proper software is worth every penny.
Oh man, I feel this comment in my SOUL. Did the same thing with my first business and ended up with a similar mess. Tax agencies have zero sense of humor about payroll mistakes.
That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid! I've been doing contract-only up until now, but as we're growing I'm bringing on more permanent staff. Did you end up with a software solution you liked after your spreadsheet disaster?
OP, one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that different 529 plans have different features and benefits. Some factors to consider: 1. State tax deduction - Some states offer tax deductions for contributions to their own 529 plans. Check if your state offers this benefit. 2. Investment options - Plans vary widely in investment choices. Some have age-based options that automatically become more conservative as your child approaches college age. 3. Fees - Administrative fees and expense ratios can significantly impact growth over time. 4. Flexibility - Recent changes allow 529 funds to be used for K-12 education (up to certain limits) and even student loan repayment. I personally chose my state's plan for the tax deduction, but then later rolled it over to another state's plan that had better investment options and lower fees. You can change plans once per 12-month period without penalty.
Can 529 plans only be used for college? My kids might want to do trade school or something non-traditional. Would a different savings vehicle be better in that case?
Great question! 529 plans have actually become much more flexible in recent years. They can be used for a wide range of education options beyond traditional four-year colleges, including vocational schools, trade programs, technical schools, and even apprenticeship programs registered with the Department of Labor. If you're still concerned about flexibility, another option to consider is a Coverdell Education Savings Account, which allows for more diverse qualified expenses including K-12 costs. However, Coverdells have much lower contribution limits ($2,000 annually) and income restrictions that 529s don't have. Some families also use UGMA/UTMA accounts which have no education restriction but do transfer to the child's control at age of majority (18-21 depending on state), and they don't have the tax advantages of education-specific accounts.
Has anyone mentioned the "kiddie tax" yet? If these college accounts generate significant interest or dividends, it might trigger tax filing requirements for the kids. For 2025, the first $1,250 of unearned income is tax-free, the next $1,250 is taxed at the child's rate, and anything above $2,500 is taxed at the parent's rate.
Just to add some clarity on the original question - besides not needing Form 940, you also don't need to file Form 941 (quarterly employment tax returns) either since you don't have employees and aren't on payroll yourselves. What you DO need to focus on is paying your self-employment taxes through your personal tax return (Schedule SE). Since you mentioned it's just you and your husband taking money from the business to live on, those are considered "draws" not wages, and you'll pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on your net business income. Make sure you're setting aside enough for those taxes - they can be a shock if you're not prepared!
Is there any advantage to them putting themselves on actual payroll instead of just taking draws? I've heard something about S-corps saving on self-employment taxes but I'm fuzzy on the details.
There can be significant tax advantages to electing S-corporation status and putting yourself on payroll, but it comes with more complexity and costs. With an S-corp, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" subject to employment taxes, then take additional money as distributions that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This can save thousands in self-employment taxes depending on your profit level, but you'll have additional costs: payroll processing, employment tax filings (including Forms 940 and 941), workers' comp insurance, and additional accounting complexity. Generally, businesses making $40,000+ in profit might benefit from this structure, but it's very situation-dependent and requires professional guidance to do correctly.
As someone who's been in the cleaning business for 10+ years, I'd suggest focusing on your business growth now and not worrying about complicated tax strategies like S-corps yet. In the beginning, the simplicity of partnership taxation (which is what your LLC has by default) outweighs the potential tax savings. Just make sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses - cleaning supplies, equipment, vehicle mileage, home office deduction if applicable, insurance, marketing costs, etc. These deductions will reduce your taxable income and self-employment taxes.
One thing no one's mentioned yet is that with a 51/49 S-Corp split, you need to be super careful about maintaining corporate formalities. My business partner and I had a similar arrangement, and we got in trouble because we were just pulling money from the business account whenever we needed it. Make sure you: 1. Hold regular board meetings and document decisions about compensation/distributions 2. Keep business and personal expenses completely separate 3. Put yourselves on a regular payroll schedule 4. Document any distributions with corporate resolutions We learned this the hard way when we got audited and had our S-Corp status threatened because we were too casual about taking money out.
Thanks for bringing this up. We've been keeping personal and business finances separate, but we haven't been holding any formal meetings or keeping minutes. For board meetings, is this something we need to do monthly? And what kind of documentation should we keep for distributions?
You should hold and document board meetings at least quarterly, though monthly is better when you're making regular financial decisions. The minutes don't need to be elaborate - just record date, who attended, key decisions made (especially about finances), and have them signed. For distributions, create a simple corporate resolution for each one stating the amount, distribution date, and that it was approved by the board. Make sure distributions are proportional to ownership (51/49) unless you have specific documentation justifying otherwise. We got flagged because our distributions weren't matching our ownership percentages, which raised red flags with the IRS.
Don't forget about estimated taxes! This caught me completely off guard with my S-Corp. Since profits pass through to your personal returns, you'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments based on your projected income. With $50-75k monthly revenue, you could be looking at significant tax liability.
This is huge. I missed my first quarterly payment because I didn't understand S-Corp taxation and ended up with penalties. Talk to your accountant about setting up proper tax planning from day one.
Thanks for confirming this. When my S-Corp started making real money, I had no idea about estimated taxes and ended up with a huge tax bill plus penalties the following April. It's especially important with your 51/49 split - both of you will need to make individual quarterly payments based on your share of the profits, even before you take distributions.
Mason Lopez
Just pointing out that the IRS rules for claiming a qualifying child are pretty specific. For you to claim the child, they need to have lived with you for more than half the year, be related to you, be under 19 (or 24 if a student), not provide more than half of their own support, and not be filing a joint return. The custodial parent usually has the right to claim the child, but can release that claim to the non-custodial parent using Form 8332. Check if you have any written agreements about who claims the child in your divorce paperwork.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢Our daughter lives with me about 70% of the time, and I'm the custodial parent according to our divorce decree. My ex was supposed to claim her last year because we verbally agreed to alternate years, but apparently he never did. We don't have anything formal like Form 8332 filed. Does that mean I should definitely file the amendment then?
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Mason Lopez
ā¢Yes, you should definitely file the amendment. Since you're the custodial parent with the child living with you 70% of the time, and you didn't sign Form 8332 to release the claim, you have the legal right to claim your daughter as a dependent. Without Form 8332, a non-custodial parent cannot claim the child regardless of verbal agreements. The IRS follows the documentation, not verbal agreements between parents. You're potentially leaving significant money on the table by not claiming her, especially with the expanded Child Tax Credit.
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Vera Visnjic
Has anyone used TurboTax to file an amended return for something like this? Is it pretty straightforward or should I go to an actual accountant? I'm in a similar situation with my kid.
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Jake Sinclair
ā¢I used TurboTax to amend my return last year when I forgot to claim my son's college expenses. It was surprisingly easy - you just start an amended return and it walks you through what you want to change. For something like adding a dependent, it should recalculate everything including any credits you might be eligible for.
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