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Natalie Khan

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - have you considered submitting an Offer in Compromise instead of an installment agreement? If your brother truly can't afford the monthly payment they're asking for, an OIC might let him settle the debt for less than the full amount. The IRS has a pre-qualifier tool on their website that can help determine if this might be an option: https://irs.treasury.gov/oic_pre_qualifier/

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Val Rossi

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I hadn't thought about that option. Is the OIC process more complicated than setting up an installment agreement? And do they accept a lot of these offers or is it really difficult to qualify?

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Natalie Khan

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An OIC is definitely more complex than a standard installment agreement. You'll need to complete Form 656 and Form 433-A (OIC) with much more detailed financial information. The process typically takes 6-12 months for a decision. As for acceptance rates, they've improved in recent years. The IRS accepts about 40-45% of OICs submitted these days, which is much better than the historical 10-15% acceptance rate from years ago. The key is being realistic about what you offer - they use a formula based on assets, income, and expenses to determine the minimum they'll accept.

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Daryl Bright

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Your brother might qualify for Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status if he truly can't afford the payment they're requesting. With CNC, the IRS temporarily stops collection activities because they recognize that paying would create a financial hardship. The debt doesn't go away, and interest/penalties still accrue, but it gives breathing room until his financial situation improves.

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Sienna Gomez

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This is good advice. I was placed in CNC status for 2 years when I had a medical issue that wiped out my savings. The IRS reviewed my case after about 24 months and by then I was able to set up a reasonable installment plan. Without that breathing room I would have been completely underwater.

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Sofia Morales

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Everyone's talking about services, but here's a free solution: just file all your W-2s! Even small amounts matter. My brother "forgot" to include a W-2 for like $500 from a weekend job, and the IRS sent him a letter about 8 months later. They charged him the tax he should have paid plus interest and a small penalty. The headache of dealing with their notices and having to respond wasn't worth the tiny bit of tax he thought he'd save. Plus it probably put him on some kind of list for extra scrutiny. Just not worth it!

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StarSailor

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What kind of penalty did they charge? Was it a percentage or just a flat fee? I have a similar situation but the W-2 is for only like $300.

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Sofia Morales

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They charged him a 20% accuracy-related penalty on the unpaid tax amount, plus interest that had accrued from the original filing deadline. The dollar amount wasn't huge because the income was small, but it was the principle and hassle that was the real cost. Even for $300, they'll still catch it through their matching program. The underreporter notice (CP2000) takes time to generate and send out, but it's an automated system that will eventually find even small discrepancies. Better to just include everything upfront than deal with the paperwork and potential flags on your account later.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Does anyone know if the IRS treats this differently if you're actually owed a refund rather than owing more? Like if including this other W2 would give me more of a refund because of withholding, would they still penalize me for not including it?

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Ava Garcia

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Actually, if including the W-2 would result in a LARGER refund for you, the IRS won't penalize you - they just won't give you the additional refund unless you amend your return. The penalties are designed for when you underreport tax owed, not when you shortchange yourself. That said, they'll still send you a notice about the discrepancy. And if you repeatedly have mismatches on your returns, it could trigger more scrutiny in future years even if those mismatches were in the IRS's favor.

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Help! Facing IRS audit for 2021, discovered tax preparer committed fraud!

I'm seriously panicking and need some advice. Just got an audit letter from the IRS for our 2021 taxes, specifically questioning some Schedule-C filings for my husband's construction business. Here's the awful part - we had NO IDEA what a Schedule-C even was until we got this letter! Turns out the tax guy we used (recommended by my cousin) completely inflated our business losses to get us a bigger refund. He charged us based on the percentage of refund we got - which I just learned is totally illegal! We were such idiots not to check his work. He also convinced us to file separately claiming it would "maximize deductions for both our side hustles" but now I realize he just wanted to charge us double and manipulate more numbers. When we confronted him about the audit letter, he actually suggested we LIE to the IRS! We obviously refused. Looking back, we've probably gotten around $25k in improper refunds over 2021-2023, which we're prepared to pay back. We paid this crook about $4500 for his "services" over those years. Our plan right now: 1. Cooperate 100% with the IRS on the 2021 audit 2. Voluntarily fix our 2022 and 2023 returns 3. Report this preparer to the IRS The most disturbing part? After we confronted him, we discovered he tried to redirect about $7,200 from our 2023 refund to his personal account! It only failed because he entered his account number wrong. We'll return this money to the IRS when we get it. What scares me most is potential criminal charges. We didn't knowingly do anything wrong, but these returns are REALLY incorrect. Could we face jail time? What other steps should we take to fix this mess? I know we should've verified his work instead of blindly trusting him. That's completely on us. Any advice would be deeply appreciated.

Aaron Boston

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Make sure you also file Form 14157-A along with the standard complaint form! I went through something similar (though not as extreme) and filing both forms got my case assigned to the Return Preparer Office for investigation. My fraudulent preparer ended up losing his PTIN and facing penalties. Also, document EVERYTHING. Save every email, text message, and piece of paper related to this preparer. Take screenshots of any online communications before he can delete them. Keep receipts showing what you paid him. The more documentation you have showing you were misled, the better position you'll be in.

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Amaya Watson

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Thank you for the specific form recommendation! I didn't know about the 14157-A. Would you mind sharing how long the investigation into your preparer took? And did you end up having to pay back all the incorrect refunds you received in your situation?

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Aaron Boston

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The investigation took about 8 months before I received notification that action had been taken against the preparer. The IRS doesn't share specific details about penalties they impose, but I did receive a letter confirming my complaint was substantiated and that "appropriate action" had been taken. Regarding repayment, yes, I did have to pay back the incorrect refunds plus interest. However, the IRS did waive most of the accuracy-related penalties after reviewing my documentation showing I'd been misled. I was able to set up a payment plan with manageable monthly payments. The most important thing was separating myself from the fraudulent behavior by being completely transparent and proactive.

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Sophia Carter

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You definitely need to look into innocent spouse relief! If most of the fraudulent deductions were on your husband's business, you might qualify even though you filed joint returns. Check out IRS Form 8857. This saved my sister thousands when her ex-husband's business returns were audited and they found all kinds of improper deductions she knew nothing about.

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Chloe Zhang

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This is incorrect advice. They said they filed SEPARATELY, not jointly. Innocent spouse relief only applies to joint returns. Please be careful giving tax advice when you don't fully understand the situation.

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Ryder Ross

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Another option if you're unhappy with H&R Block is to check if you qualify for free tax preparation services. The IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program offers free tax help to people who make $60,000 or less, persons with disabilities, and limited English speakers. The Tax Counseling for the Elderly (TCE) program also offers free tax help, specializing in questions about pensions and retirement issues for seniors. The volunteers are certified and often more knowledgeable than entry-level preparers at commercial chains. I've volunteered with VITA for 3 years and many of us have accounting backgrounds or extensive tax preparation experience.

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That's really helpful to know! Do you happen to know if VITA volunteers can help with Schedule C for self-employment? That's the main complication in my return this year.

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Ryder Ross

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Most VITA sites can handle simple Schedule C filings, especially if your business doesn't have employees, inventory, or losses. However, there are limitations - if your business expenses exceed $35,000 or you have more complex situations like home office deductions or depreciation, some sites might not be able to help. I'd recommend calling your local VITA site directly to ask about their specific capabilities regarding self-employment income. Some sites have specialized volunteers who can handle more complex returns, while others stick to simpler cases. You can find the nearest location by using the VITA Locator Tool on the IRS website or calling 800-906-9887.

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I worked at H&R Block for two tax seasons and I'll tell you a secret - the "front desk person" is often put in the role of tax preparer during busy times, even with minimal training. They rely heavily on the software's built-in guidance rather than tax knowledge. If you're not comfortable, definitely walk out! H&R Block's system automatically charges that appointment fee when they start your return in the system, but managers have the ability to refund it if you're not satisfied. Be polite but firm about your concerns. If you do decide to use software instead, make sure you look at your prior year return first to see if there's anything unusual or complex that might need special attention. Most people with straightforward situations plus a simple Schedule C can absolutely handle their own returns with software.

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Henry Delgado

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Is there any quality control at these places? I thought tax preparers had to pass some kind of test or certification. It's scary to think someone with minimal training is handling something as important as taxes.

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Besides watching those income thresholds, don't forget about Roth conversions as a potential strategy. If your mom has traditional IRAs or 401ks, you might want to strategically convert some to Roth during lower-income years. While this creates taxable income in the year of conversion, it reduces future Required Minimum Distributions that could push her over the Social Security taxation thresholds in coming years. This is especially valuable if she's not yet 73 (when RMDs must start) as you have a window of opportunity before those mandatory withdrawals kick in.

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Jade Lopez

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I hadn't thought about Roth conversions at all. How would you determine how much to convert each year? Is there some kind of sweet spot?

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You want to convert just enough each year to "fill up" her lower tax brackets without pushing her into a bracket where the tax cost becomes too high. It's often best to convert amounts that keep her in the 10% or 12% federal brackets. For the Social Security taxation specifically, you'd ideally convert amounts that keep her combined income (AGI + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of SS benefits) below $25,000 if possible, or at least below $34,000 to avoid the 85% taxation threshold. Many people find converting $5,000-8,000 per year strikes a good balance, but it's very specific to her overall financial situation.

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Nina Chan

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Has anyone used any specific tax software that handles this Social Security Tax Torpedo situation well? I've used TurboTax for years but it doesn't seem to provide much guidance on how to avoid SS taxation for next year.

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Ruby Knight

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I've had good luck with H&R Block Premium. It has a feature that lets you run scenarios for the following year and shows how different income levels affect your Social Security taxation. Not perfect but better than TurboTax for this specific issue in my experience.

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