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Everyone's talking about services, but here's a free solution: just file all your W-2s! Even small amounts matter. My brother "forgot" to include a W-2 for like $500 from a weekend job, and the IRS sent him a letter about 8 months later. They charged him the tax he should have paid plus interest and a small penalty. The headache of dealing with their notices and having to respond wasn't worth the tiny bit of tax he thought he'd save. Plus it probably put him on some kind of list for extra scrutiny. Just not worth it!
What kind of penalty did they charge? Was it a percentage or just a flat fee? I have a similar situation but the W-2 is for only like $300.
They charged him a 20% accuracy-related penalty on the unpaid tax amount, plus interest that had accrued from the original filing deadline. The dollar amount wasn't huge because the income was small, but it was the principle and hassle that was the real cost. Even for $300, they'll still catch it through their matching program. The underreporter notice (CP2000) takes time to generate and send out, but it's an automated system that will eventually find even small discrepancies. Better to just include everything upfront than deal with the paperwork and potential flags on your account later.
Does anyone know if the IRS treats this differently if you're actually owed a refund rather than owing more? Like if including this other W2 would give me more of a refund because of withholding, would they still penalize me for not including it?
Actually, if including the W-2 would result in a LARGER refund for you, the IRS won't penalize you - they just won't give you the additional refund unless you amend your return. The penalties are designed for when you underreport tax owed, not when you shortchange yourself. That said, they'll still send you a notice about the discrepancy. And if you repeatedly have mismatches on your returns, it could trigger more scrutiny in future years even if those mismatches were in the IRS's favor.
Make sure you also file Form 14157-A along with the standard complaint form! I went through something similar (though not as extreme) and filing both forms got my case assigned to the Return Preparer Office for investigation. My fraudulent preparer ended up losing his PTIN and facing penalties. Also, document EVERYTHING. Save every email, text message, and piece of paper related to this preparer. Take screenshots of any online communications before he can delete them. Keep receipts showing what you paid him. The more documentation you have showing you were misled, the better position you'll be in.
Thank you for the specific form recommendation! I didn't know about the 14157-A. Would you mind sharing how long the investigation into your preparer took? And did you end up having to pay back all the incorrect refunds you received in your situation?
The investigation took about 8 months before I received notification that action had been taken against the preparer. The IRS doesn't share specific details about penalties they impose, but I did receive a letter confirming my complaint was substantiated and that "appropriate action" had been taken. Regarding repayment, yes, I did have to pay back the incorrect refunds plus interest. However, the IRS did waive most of the accuracy-related penalties after reviewing my documentation showing I'd been misled. I was able to set up a payment plan with manageable monthly payments. The most important thing was separating myself from the fraudulent behavior by being completely transparent and proactive.
You definitely need to look into innocent spouse relief! If most of the fraudulent deductions were on your husband's business, you might qualify even though you filed joint returns. Check out IRS Form 8857. This saved my sister thousands when her ex-husband's business returns were audited and they found all kinds of improper deductions she knew nothing about.
This is incorrect advice. They said they filed SEPARATELY, not jointly. Innocent spouse relief only applies to joint returns. Please be careful giving tax advice when you don't fully understand the situation.
Another option if you're unhappy with H&R Block is to check if you qualify for free tax preparation services. The IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program offers free tax help to people who make $60,000 or less, persons with disabilities, and limited English speakers. The Tax Counseling for the Elderly (TCE) program also offers free tax help, specializing in questions about pensions and retirement issues for seniors. The volunteers are certified and often more knowledgeable than entry-level preparers at commercial chains. I've volunteered with VITA for 3 years and many of us have accounting backgrounds or extensive tax preparation experience.
That's really helpful to know! Do you happen to know if VITA volunteers can help with Schedule C for self-employment? That's the main complication in my return this year.
Most VITA sites can handle simple Schedule C filings, especially if your business doesn't have employees, inventory, or losses. However, there are limitations - if your business expenses exceed $35,000 or you have more complex situations like home office deductions or depreciation, some sites might not be able to help. I'd recommend calling your local VITA site directly to ask about their specific capabilities regarding self-employment income. Some sites have specialized volunteers who can handle more complex returns, while others stick to simpler cases. You can find the nearest location by using the VITA Locator Tool on the IRS website or calling 800-906-9887.
I worked at H&R Block for two tax seasons and I'll tell you a secret - the "front desk person" is often put in the role of tax preparer during busy times, even with minimal training. They rely heavily on the software's built-in guidance rather than tax knowledge. If you're not comfortable, definitely walk out! H&R Block's system automatically charges that appointment fee when they start your return in the system, but managers have the ability to refund it if you're not satisfied. Be polite but firm about your concerns. If you do decide to use software instead, make sure you look at your prior year return first to see if there's anything unusual or complex that might need special attention. Most people with straightforward situations plus a simple Schedule C can absolutely handle their own returns with software.
Besides watching those income thresholds, don't forget about Roth conversions as a potential strategy. If your mom has traditional IRAs or 401ks, you might want to strategically convert some to Roth during lower-income years. While this creates taxable income in the year of conversion, it reduces future Required Minimum Distributions that could push her over the Social Security taxation thresholds in coming years. This is especially valuable if she's not yet 73 (when RMDs must start) as you have a window of opportunity before those mandatory withdrawals kick in.
I hadn't thought about Roth conversions at all. How would you determine how much to convert each year? Is there some kind of sweet spot?
You want to convert just enough each year to "fill up" her lower tax brackets without pushing her into a bracket where the tax cost becomes too high. It's often best to convert amounts that keep her in the 10% or 12% federal brackets. For the Social Security taxation specifically, you'd ideally convert amounts that keep her combined income (AGI + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of SS benefits) below $25,000 if possible, or at least below $34,000 to avoid the 85% taxation threshold. Many people find converting $5,000-8,000 per year strikes a good balance, but it's very specific to her overall financial situation.
Has anyone used any specific tax software that handles this Social Security Tax Torpedo situation well? I've used TurboTax for years but it doesn't seem to provide much guidance on how to avoid SS taxation for next year.
I've had good luck with H&R Block Premium. It has a feature that lets you run scenarios for the following year and shows how different income levels affect your Social Security taxation. Not perfect but better than TurboTax for this specific issue in my experience.
Natalie Khan
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - have you considered submitting an Offer in Compromise instead of an installment agreement? If your brother truly can't afford the monthly payment they're asking for, an OIC might let him settle the debt for less than the full amount. The IRS has a pre-qualifier tool on their website that can help determine if this might be an option: https://irs.treasury.gov/oic_pre_qualifier/
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Val Rossi
ā¢I hadn't thought about that option. Is the OIC process more complicated than setting up an installment agreement? And do they accept a lot of these offers or is it really difficult to qualify?
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Natalie Khan
ā¢An OIC is definitely more complex than a standard installment agreement. You'll need to complete Form 656 and Form 433-A (OIC) with much more detailed financial information. The process typically takes 6-12 months for a decision. As for acceptance rates, they've improved in recent years. The IRS accepts about 40-45% of OICs submitted these days, which is much better than the historical 10-15% acceptance rate from years ago. The key is being realistic about what you offer - they use a formula based on assets, income, and expenses to determine the minimum they'll accept.
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Daryl Bright
Your brother might qualify for Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status if he truly can't afford the payment they're requesting. With CNC, the IRS temporarily stops collection activities because they recognize that paying would create a financial hardship. The debt doesn't go away, and interest/penalties still accrue, but it gives breathing room until his financial situation improves.
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Sienna Gomez
ā¢This is good advice. I was placed in CNC status for 2 years when I had a medical issue that wiped out my savings. The IRS reviewed my case after about 24 months and by then I was able to set up a reasonable installment plan. Without that breathing room I would have been completely underwater.
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