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CosmicCadet

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your parents claim you as a dependent, your standard deduction is different. For 2025, if you're a dependent and earn only earned income (like from your dog walking), your standard deduction will be your earned income plus $400, up to the regular standard deduction amount. But the bigger issue is keeping track of everything throughout the year. I learned this the hard way! Make a spreadsheet of all your income and expenses RIGHT NOW before you get too far into it.

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Ethan Moore

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Thanks for mentioning this about being a dependent! So if my parents claim me, does that mean I'll end up owing more in taxes than if I filed independently? And what kind of things should I be tracking in this spreadsheet? Just dates, clients, and amounts or is there more I should be writing down?

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CosmicCadet

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Being claimed as a dependent could result in owing more taxes in some situations because your standard deduction might be lower than if you filed independently. However, there are other benefits your parents get from claiming you that might outweigh this difference for your family overall. For your spreadsheet, track way more than just the basics! Record dates, client names, payment amounts, payment methods, mileage to/from each client (with starting/ending odometer readings ideally), any supplies purchased (treats, bags, etc.), apps or software you use for the business, a portion of your phone bill if you use it for client communication, any insurance you get, and even home office expenses if you use part of your living space exclusively for business administration. Basically, document EVERYTHING with receipts. Tax time will be so much easier, and you'll maximize your deductions which directly reduces your taxable income.

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dont forget about state taxes too! everyone here is talking about federal but depending on your state you might have to file state taxes too. some states have no income tax but most do. also some cities have local income taxes too.

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This is a really good point. I'm in NYC and got completely blindsided by having to pay city tax on top of state and federal. It was an extra 3.8% I wasn't expecting!

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Chris Elmeda

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that there are actually limits on business losses you can claim against other income in a given year. Section 461(l) limits excess business losses for non-corporate taxpayers. For 2023, you can only offset up to $289,000 (or $578,000 if married filing jointly) of non-business income with business losses. Anything above that becomes an NOL carryforward. Also, if your business loses money for 3 out of 5 consecutive years, the IRS might classify it as a hobby rather than a business, and then you lose the ability to deduct those losses against other income entirely.

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Jean Claude

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But most small businesses like what OP is describing wouldn't hit anywhere near those $289k limits, right? Seems like you'd need to be losing a TON of money for those limits to matter.

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Chris Elmeda

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You're right that most small sole proprietorships won't hit the Section 461(l) limits - I just wanted to point out that there are actually some caps on business losses that can be taken against other income. Many people don't realize there are any limits at all. The hobby loss rule is much more likely to affect typical small businesses though. If you show losses for 3+ years out of 5, the IRS might reclassify your business as a hobby, especially if you have substantial income from other sources. Then all those losses can't be deducted against your other income. This happens quite often with side businesses that consistently lose money.

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The way I understand it (as a fellow sole proprietor) is that there's no such thing as a "business loss carryforward" for Schedule C businesses. When you have a loss, it immediately offsets your other income in that tax year. The confusion might be coming from corporations, partnerships and other entities where losses ARE tracked separately. But for sole props, it's all just your personal money - the business doesn't exist as a separate tax entity. That's actually a benefit - you get to use those losses right away instead of waiting for future business profits!

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Marcus Marsh

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Thanks for explaining! So basically once I've used the loss to reduce my personal income that year, it's "used up" and doesn't carry forward to future years of the business? That makes sense - I think I was confusing it with how corporations work. Would I get any different treatment if I formed an LLC instead of being a sole proprietor? Or would it work exactly the same way tax-wise?

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Jamal Wilson

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Just to add another perspective on the LLC partnership issue - I had a similar situation where we thought we had closed down but still had some trailing income come in. We ended up having to file a partnership return for that extra year. One important thing to know: if the business is still registered with the state, the IRS expects to see a tax return, even if it's just to report minimal activity. Don't assume that because you filed a "final" return previously that you're done if there's still activity. The IRS actually has automatic penalty systems that flag missing returns for entities that are still active at the state level.

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That's really helpful info about the automatic penalty systems! Do you know if there's a specific form or procedure for "reopening" a partnership for tax purposes after a final return was filed? Or do I just file a regular 1065 again?

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Jamal Wilson

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You just file a regular Form 1065 again. There's no special "reopening" form needed. Just make sure you don't check the "final return" box this time! The IRS systems are pretty forgiving about this situation since it happens fairly often. The most important thing is to make sure your client properly closes everything at the state level once they're truly done with the business. Until they formally dissolve the LLC with the state, they'll need to keep filing returns as long as there's any activity. Some states also require annual reports or minimum taxes just to maintain the LLC, even with zero activity.

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Mei Lin

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Has anyone dealt with the penalties for the missed K-1? I'm curious how severe they typically are. My spouse and I missed reporting a K-1 a few years back (completely forgot about a small investment partnership) and I'm worried about what might happen when we amend.

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In my experience, the penalties really depend on the amount of tax that was underpaid as a result. Small K-1 with minimal income? Probably just interest. Large K-1 with significant income? Could be 20% accuracy-related penalty plus interest. But filing voluntarily before they catch it is ALWAYS better than waiting.

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Alicia Stern

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Be VERY careful with this strategy! I tried something similar in 2023 and ended up being audited. The issue wasn't the self-rental itself but the "economic substance" of the arrangement. The IRS argued that the transaction lacked a legitimate business purpose beyond tax avoidance. Some things that tripped me up: - Not having proper insurance (needs to be landlord insurance, not homeowner's) - Using personal accounts for some property expenses - Not having a formal lease with all proper terms - Not being able to prove fair market rent (you need comparable properties) The audit cost me more than I ever would have saved, plus I had to amend three years of returns. Just be absolutely certain your documentation is bulletproof if you go this route.

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Layla Mendes

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to learn from. Would you mind sharing what documentation the IRS specifically questioned during your audit? And did you qualify as a real estate professional or were you trying a different approach?

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Alicia Stern

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The documentation they zeroed in on was my activity log for proving real estate professional status. I claimed to meet the requirements but my records were inconsistent and some activities I counted weren't considered "material participation" by the auditor. I did qualify as a real estate professional based on hours, but they questioned whether I was truly spending more time on real estate than my primary job. They wanted to see detailed, contemporaneous records - not just a spreadsheet I created after the fact. They also scrutinized whether the rent I charged myself was truly market rate, asking for multiple comparable properties and professional rental assessments. One major issue was commingling of funds between personal and business accounts. They viewed this as evidence I wasn't treating the LLC as a separate entity. Make sure every expense goes through separate accounts and that you have a formal process for paying rent that looks like a true landlord-tenant relationship.

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Has anyone considered the insurance implications of this arrangement? Most homeowner's policies won't cover claims if you're technically renting from an LLC that you own. You'd need a landlord policy for the LLC and a renter's policy for yourselves. Also, what about mortgage considerations? Many residential mortgages have occupancy clauses requiring the borrower to occupy the property. If the LLC takes the mortgage but doesn't occupy it, you might be violating the terms.

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Drake

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Good points. Also worth mentioning that mortgage rates for investment properties are typically higher than primary residences, often by 0.5-1%. So even if you find a lender willing to do this arrangement, you'll likely pay more for the mortgage, which could offset some of the tax savings.

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Mateo Lopez

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Just a heads up - I came to the US on H1B in 2023 and messed up by filing the wrong form my first year. I used Form 1040 instead of 1040-NR, and now I'm dealing with an IRS notice and having to file an amended return. The main differences that matter for H1B holders: - Form 1040-NR only taxes your US source income - Form 1040-NR has different deduction rules (some standard deductions aren't available) - Form 1040-NR limits certain tax credits - Filing status options are different (no joint return with a nonresident spouse on 1040-NR) For your second year (2025), you'll likely pass the substantial presence test and can use regular Form 1040, which generally has more favorable tax treatment.

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ShadowHunter

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That sounds stressful! Did you have to pay penalties for filing the wrong form? And did the IRS contact you about it, or did you discover the mistake yourself?

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Mateo Lopez

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I discovered it myself after attending a tax workshop for international employees at my company. I filed an amended return (Form 1040-X) right away, which limited the penalties. I did have to pay some interest on the additional tax owed, but no major penalties since I corrected it voluntarily before the IRS caught it. The IRS did eventually send a notice, but by then I had already filed the amendment. The most painful part was that I had claimed some credits on the original Form 1040 that I wasn't eligible for as a nonresident, so I had to pay back that money plus interest. Don't make my mistake - get the form right the first time!

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Quick tip: Download IRS Publication 519 (U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens). It has a detailed flowchart on page 8 that helps determine your status. Based on your arrival date, you're almost certainly a nonresident alien for 2024 tax purposes, which means Form 1040-NR. Also, most tax software struggles with nonresident returns. TurboTax and H&R Block can do it but you need their premium versions. Sprintax specializes in nonresident returns and might be easier.

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Ethan Davis

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Sprintax is good but expensive! I found a free option through the IRS Free File program that handles 1040-NR, but you have to dig for it on their website.

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