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Ezra Beard

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Just an FYI - the Final Notice to Pay (CP90/Letter 1058) gives you the right to request a Collection Due Process hearing within 30 days. This can buy you time to get everything in order and also gives you appeal rights if you disagree with anything. File Form 12153 to request the hearing. While the hearing is pending, they can't levy your assets (though liens may still be filed). It's a legitimate way to pause collections while you get your missing returns filed and set up a payment plan.

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This was super helpful for me last year, but be careful - if the IRS determines you requested the hearing just to delay collection, they can label it "frivolous" and impose additional penalties. Make sure you have legitimate issues to discuss!

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Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like you're at a critical juncture but you still have options. The fact that you're now financially able to address this is huge - many people dealing with Final Notices don't have that advantage. Your immediate priorities should be: 1) Get those missing returns filed within the 30-day window (even if they're not perfect), 2) Call the IRS to let them know you're actively working on compliance, and 3) Consider requesting a Collection Due Process hearing using Form 12153 to buy yourself time if needed. Don't let the TurboTax issues derail you - if you can afford a CPA now, that's probably your best bet for getting accurate returns filed quickly. The IRS cares more about having something on file than perfection at this stage. The key is showing good faith effort before that 30-day deadline hits. Once you're filing compliant and have the returns submitted, the payment plan options everyone mentioned become available. Stay proactive and you should be able to avoid the levy nightmare that some others described.

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Eli Butler

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The IRS website is straight šŸ—‘ļø fr fr... been trying since last week

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Ryan Kim

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Have you tried using a different browser or clearing your cache/cookies? Sometimes the IRS site gets glitchy with stored data. Also, if you recently moved or had any address changes with USPS, there might be a mismatch in their system. You could try using your address exactly as it appears on your driver's license or voter registration - sometimes that format works better than the tax return format.

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7 One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you should check if your foreign contractors might be considered "effectively connected" with a US trade or business. If they're working remotely but technically performing services in the US market (it's complicated), you might have different reporting requirements. I got caught on this when hiring some Canadian freelancers who occasionally came to the US to work on projects. The IRS considered some of their income as US-sourced even though they were Canadian residents.

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1 That's interesting - can you explain what makes someone "effectively connected" with US business? None of my freelancers ever come to the US physically. Would making YouTube content primarily for US audiences count as connected to US business?

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7 It's not about the audience being in the US - it's about where the work is physically performed. If your freelancers are never physically present in the US while doing the work, they wouldn't typically be considered to have income effectively connected with a US trade or business. The IRS looks at where the person is physically located when performing the services. Since your contractors are working entirely from their home countries, they should be treated as foreign contractors, requiring W-8BENs but not 1099-NECs. That said, digital services taxation is evolving, so it's worth checking with a tax professional for your specific situation.

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5 Hey! Something nobody's mentioned - make sure your record-keeping is solid for PAYMENTS too, not just the tax forms. I audit small biz tax returns and see people get hit with penalties bcuz they cant prove how much they actually paid to overseas contractors when asked. PayPal histories can disappear or get limited after certain time periods.

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22 Good point! What's the best way to maintain those records? Is saving PDFs of PayPal transactions enough, or should I be doing something more formal?

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GamerGirl99

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PDF receipts are a good start, but I'd recommend creating a simple spreadsheet that tracks: contractor name, country, payment date, amount, PayPal transaction ID, and what project/service it was for. Export your PayPal data quarterly and back it up in multiple places. The IRS wants to see a clear business purpose for each payment, so having project details documented is crucial. Also keep copies of any invoices the contractors send you - that shows the business relationship clearly.

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Yara Sayegh

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One important thing nobody has mentioned - make sure you understand how the title is currently held. Is it joint tenancy? Tenants in common? The way the ownership is structured on the deed makes a huge difference in how the gift tax works. In joint tenancy, each person owns an equal share. With tenants in common, the ownership can be split in any proportion (like 70/30). This affects the gift calculation when someone is removed. I learned this the hard way with my own family property!

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NebulaNova

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This is so true. My parents put me on their house title as "joint tenants with rights of survivorship" which had totally different tax implications than if it had been "tenants in common." When we later changed the deed, the specific wording on the original affected everything.

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Sarah Ali

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This is definitely a complex situation that requires careful planning. One thing I'd strongly recommend is getting a professional appraisal of the property before any transfers happen. You'll need this to establish the fair market value for gift tax purposes. Also, consider the timing carefully. If your in-laws are older, there might be estate planning benefits to keeping them on the deed versus removing them now. Sometimes it's better from a tax perspective to inherit property rather than receive it as a gift because of the "stepped-up basis" rules. Before making any moves, I'd suggest consulting with both a tax professional and an estate planning attorney. The gift tax implications are just one piece of the puzzle - you also need to consider capital gains tax when you eventually sell, property tax reassessment in your state, and how this affects your in-laws' estate planning. The $375k value minus $220k mortgage leaves $155k in equity. If your in-laws own 50% of that equity, we're talking about a potential $77,500 gift per person, which would require gift tax reporting but likely no actual tax due given the lifetime exemption amounts.

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Zoe Wang

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This is really helpful advice about getting a professional appraisal! I hadn't thought about the stepped-up basis angle either. Could you explain more about how inheriting property vs receiving it as a gift affects the tax basis? My in-laws are in their late 60s, so this might be something worth considering in our decision-making process. Also, when you mention property tax reassessment - does removing owners from the deed typically trigger a reassessment in most states? We're in California if that makes a difference.

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Philip Cowan

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Great question about the stepped-up basis! When you inherit property, your tax basis becomes the fair market value at the time of inheritance, essentially "stepping up" from what the original owner paid. So if your in-laws bought the house for $200k and it's worth $375k when you inherit it, your basis becomes $375k. If you receive it as a gift, you keep their original basis (around $200k), meaning much higher capital gains tax when you sell. For California specifically - yes, removing owners from a deed can trigger a property tax reassessment under Proposition 13, but there are some family transfer exemptions. The parent-to-child exclusion might not apply here since it's in-laws, but you should definitely check with the county assessor about potential exemptions before making any transfers. California's property tax increases can be substantial, so this could be a major factor in your decision. Given that your in-laws are in their late 60s, the inheritance vs gift decision becomes even more important to analyze with a professional.

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IRS Transcript Shows $5,695 Negative Balance After Code 291 Tax Reduction of $7,812 - What Does This Mean for My Refund?

My transcript is showing a balance of -$5,695.00 with a recent code 291 from November 4, 2024 that reduced my tax assessment by -$7,812.00. I'm confused about what this means for my refund status. Here's what my transcript shows: ACCOUNT BALANCE: -5,695.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: 0.00 AS OF: Nov. 04, 2024 ACCRUED PENALTY: 0.00 AS OF: Nov. 04, 2024 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): -5,695.00 INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED: EXEMPTIONS: 02 FILING STATUS: Head of Household ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: 19,171.00 TAXABLE INCOME: 0.00 TAX PER RETURN: 7,812.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: 24,329.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME SPOUSE: 0.00 TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: 3,723.00 RETURN DUE DATE OR RETURN RECEIVED DATE (WHICHEVER IS LATER) Apr. 15, 2023 PROCESSING DATE Mar. 18, 2024 TRANSACTIONS: CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION | CYCLE | DATE | AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed | 20240905 | 03-18-2024 | $7,812.00 76221-438-96765-3 806 W-2 or 1099 withholding | | 04-15-2023 | -$462.00 810 Refund freeze | | 02-16-2023 | $0.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | -$9,417.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | -$12,451.00 971 Amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing | | 03-05-2024 | $0.00 977 Amended return filed | | 03-05-2024 | $0.00 33277-471-00650-4 767 Reduced or removed credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | $12,451.00 767 Reduced or removed credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | $9,417.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | -$1,500.00 764 Earned income credit | | 04-15-2023 | -$3,733.00 291 Reduced or removed prior tax assessed | | 11-04-2024 | -$7,812.00 19254-689-05216-4 I'm seeing a lot of back and forth with credits being added and removed on April 15, 2023. There were credits of -$9,417.00 and -$12,451.00 that were added but then later removed on the same day with code 767. I also see credits for earned income credit (code 764) of -$3,733.00 and another credit (code 766) of -$1,500.00. There's W-2/1099 withholding (code 806) of -$462.00 too. My original tax per return was $7,812.00, filed as Head of Household with 2 exemptions. My adjusted gross income was $19,171.00 with self-employment taxable income of $24,329.00 and total self-employment tax of $3,723.00. I filed an amended return (codes 971 and 977) on March 5, 2024, and there was a refund freeze (code 810) back on February 16, 2023. My current account balance shows -$5,695.00 with no accrued interest or penalties as of November 4, 2024. The most recent transaction is code 291 from November 4, 2024 that completely removed my prior tax assessment of $7,812.00. I'm not sure what this means - does this negative balance mean I'm getting a refund of $5,695.00? Can anyone help explain what these transaction codes mean, especially the recent 291 reduction, and what happens next with my account?

Lim Wong

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Just used taxr.ai for mine and it was spot on about my refund date. Worth every penny tbh

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Dananyl Lear

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How accurate was it? My transcripts looking similar

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Lim Wong

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predicted my deposit date down to the day! It even caught some issues I didnt notice

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Ava Kim

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Code 291 is actually great news for you! It means the IRS has completely reversed your original tax liability of $7,812. This typically happens when an amended return is processed and they determine you didn't actually owe that tax in the first place. Your negative balance of $5,695 does indeed mean you have a refund coming. Here's the breakdown: - Original tax owed: $7,812 - Credits applied: $5,695 (EIC + other credits + withholding) - After code 291 reversal: $0 tax owed - Refund due: $5,695 The refund freeze from 2023 appears to be cleared since there's recent activity. You should see your refund within 2-4 weeks of the November 4th adjustment, assuming no other holds exist on your account. Keep monitoring your transcript for any deposit codes (846) which will show when it's actually sent out.

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