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Just coming from an accounting perspective - one thing to consider is that a tax refund isn't free money, it's YOUR money that you overpaid throughout the year. If you contributed 90% of the payments, then logically, most of that refund is just returning YOUR overpayment. I always tell my clients to think about it this way: if you had both filed separately, what would each of your refund/payment situations look like? That can sometimes clarify who "generated" the refund. That said, I've seen couples handle this many different ways: 1. Split based on income percentage 2. Split based on tax payment percentage 3. Split 50/50 regardless 4. Put the whole refund toward a shared goal/expense There's no absolute "right" answer - it depends on your overall financial arrangement.
What about if one spouse is a stay at home parent? They technically didn't contribute any tax payments, but they're enabling the working spouse to earn income. Should they get 0% of the refund?
That's an excellent question and highlights why this isn't a simple mathematical equation. In a stay-at-home parent situation, that spouse is providing substantial economic value to the family through unpaid labor that enables the working spouse to earn income. In that case, I generally advise clients to view family finances (including tax refunds) as fully shared resources rather than trying to split based on direct financial contribution. The non-working spouse is contributing significantly to the family economy in non-monetary ways. Most of my clients in this situation treat the refund as joint family money and make decisions about it together, recognizing both partners' contributions to the family's overall financial situation.
My husband and I solved this by just having separate bank accounts AND a joint account. Our tax refund always goes into the joint account and is used for shared expenses/goals. That way we never fight about who gets what portion of it. Or sometimes we use the refund for a vacation together! That way it's something we both benefit from equally.
This is exactly what we do! Joint refund goes to joint expenses or something fun we do together. No arguments ever. We actually have our refund automatically split into savings for our annual vacation. Tax time = vacation planning time lol
I really like this approach. We've been talking about saving for a home renovation, so maybe using the refund for that would be a good compromise where we both benefit. That would definitely avoid the whole percentage split issue entirely. Do you find that system works well overall for managing finances? We've been mostly separate but are considering more joint planning.
Another option might be to set up a separate LLC for your art business instead of just a DBA. That's what I did with my side businesses and it makes the accounting much cleaner. You can still be the sole owner of both LLCs.
I considered that, but wouldn't that mean double the fees for annual LLC filings? Also, would I need separate business bank accounts, insurance, etc?
Yes, you would have separate filing fees for each LLC, which can add up depending on your state. Here in Pennsylvania it's $520 annually PER LLC, so having multiple LLCs gets expensive fast. You would ideally have separate bank accounts for proper accounting, and separate insurance policies might be required depending on the nature of the businesses. It definitely creates more administration and costs, which is why a DBA under a single LLC makes more sense for many small business owners who have multiple related activities. I only recommend the separate LLC approach if the businesses have different liability concerns or if you might sell one business but keep the other.
Make sure ur keeping track of all ur expenses for the art stuff seperately from day 1! My wife had a similar thing with her interior design business when she added custom furniture sales - we messed up the accounting and had a nightmare sorting it out at tax time. The IRS wants to see that ur taking the business seriously even if its not making money yet.
Just wanted to share that you should file ASAP even if you can't pay everything right now. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of unpaid taxes for each month your return is late (up to 25%), while the failure-to-pay penalty is only 0.5% per month. So filing without paying in full is 10X better than not filing at all! Plus, once you file, you can set up a payment plan. I did this when I fell behind during COVID and it was surprisingly easy to set up online.
Did you use the IRS's online payment plan setup? I'm wondering how flexible they are with the monthly payment amounts and if they charge a lot of interest while you're paying it off.
Yes, I used the online payment plan tool on IRS.gov. It was much simpler than I expected. You can actually propose your own monthly payment amount based on what you can afford. There is a minimum (I think around $25-50) but they're pretty flexible. They do charge interest (federal short-term rate plus 3%, compounded daily) and a small failure-to-pay penalty while you're in the payment plan, but those rates are way lower than credit cards or loans. You'll also pay a setup fee ranging from around $31 to $130 depending on how you apply and pay, but low-income taxpayers can get reduced fees or even have them waived.
Quick tip: If your tax situation is fairly straightforward (W-2 income, standard deduction), check if you qualify for the IRS Free File program for prior years. Some of the participating software providers offer free filing for certain income levels even for previous tax years.
This is helpful! Do you know which software providers specifically offer free prior year filing? I looked at TurboTax but they wanted to charge me for going back to 2022.
Former IRS employee here. Accountants SHOULD be looking at primary sources, but many don't. In my experience, you can divide tax professionals into three groups: 1. Those who rely almost entirely on software and general knowledge 2. Those who use reference materials like the CCH or RIA services that summarize tax law 3. Those who regularly go back to the actual IRC, Treasury Regs, Rev. Rulings, etc. Group 3 is smaller than you'd hope. For your vehicle expense situation, ask your accountant specifically about IRC 274(d) and the substantiation requirements. If they can't speak intelligently about that, you might want to find someone who can.
This breakdown is really helpful. Is there a diplomatic way to figure out which type of accountant I'm dealing with without offending them? I'm paying good money and want someone who falls into your third category.
Ask them about a recent tax law change and how they stay current on updates to the code. Good accountants will mention specific resources they use to track changes to primary tax law. You could also ask a specific question about your situation and request the citation to the relevant code section. Be direct but respectful - "I'd like to understand more about the underlying tax code for my situation. Could you point me to the specific sections that apply so I can read more?" A good accountant won't be offended by this. They'll appreciate a client who wants to be informed. If they get defensive or dismissive, that tells you a lot about which category they fall into.
I'm an accounting student and we're actually taught to always reference primary sources. Our professors constantly remind us that tax software and secondary sources can be wrong or outdated. The hierarchy we learn is: 1. Internal Revenue Code (the actual law passed by Congress) 2. Treasury Regulations (IRS interpretation of the law) 3. Revenue Rulings and Procedures 4. Court cases 5. IRS Publications and other guidance Software and books are just tools to help navigate these sources. For your vehicle expense question, I'd specifically look at IRC 274(d) and the related Treasury Regulations at 1.274-5T.
As someone who's been in practice for 25 years, I can tell you that what they teach in school and what happens in the real world are very different. Most accountants use specialized tax databases and software. Nobody has time to read the entire IRC for every client question.
Justin Trejo
Quick note that might help - make sure you're tracking ALL your business expenses carefully. I'm a small seller too, and I use a spreadsheet to track: - Cost of materials - Shipping supplies - Platform fees (Etsy, eBay, etc) - PayPal fees - Portion of internet/phone used for business - Home office space (if you have dedicated space) - Mileage when you go buy supplies You'd be surprised how quickly these add up and can reduce your taxable income. I learned this the hard way my first year and paid way more than I needed to!
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Monique Byrd
ā¢Do you need receipts for absolutely everything? I haven't been great about keeping track so far. Also, how do you calculate the portion of internet/phone to deduct?
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Justin Trejo
ā¢Yes, you should keep receipts for everything - the IRS can ask for documentation if you're ever audited. But if you've lost some, bank/credit card statements can sometimes work as backup. For internet/phone, you need to determine what percentage is used for business. For example, if you estimate 30% of your phone use is for business communications with customers, you can deduct 30% of your phone bill. Just be honest and reasonable with your estimates. Some people keep a log for a few weeks to establish a usage pattern. Same concept applies to your home office - you calculate what percentage of your home's square footage is used exclusively for business, then deduct that percentage of rent/mortgage, utilities, etc.
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Alana Willis
I see a lot of comments about filing, but nobody mentioned the Qualified Business Income Deduction (Section 199A). If your net income from your business is under certain thresholds, you might qualify for a deduction of up to 20% of your business income! This is separate from your regular business expense deductions. Also, consider making estimated quarterly tax payments if you expect to owe more than $1,000 in taxes. This helps avoid an underpayment penalty when you file your annual return.
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Tyler Murphy
ā¢Omg this tax stuff is so complicated. Im making bracelets and selling them on etsy too and i had no idea about any of this!!! How do you even make quarterly payments? And what's this 199A thing?
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