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One approach my spouse and I use is to just slightly overwithhold by adding an extra fixed amount on line 4(c) of both our W-4s. We each add $25 per paycheck. By the end of the year, that's an extra $1300 withheld between us (we're both paid biweekly), which has always covered any surprise tax issues from our investments or side hustles.
Congratulations on getting married! As someone who went through this same situation a couple years ago, I'd definitely recommend starting with the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator that Ezra mentioned. It's free and gives you personalized recommendations. One thing I learned the hard way - don't just guess or use rules of thumb when your incomes are different like yours are. My husband and I initially just both checked the Step 2(c) box thinking that would be enough, but we ended up owing about $600 because we didn't account for some other factors properly. The estimator will ask for your pay stubs, expected annual income, filing status (married filing jointly), and any deductions you plan to take. It then gives you specific instructions for each of your W-4 forms. Since you're planning to file jointly and have that 30% income difference, it's really worth the 15 minutes to get it right rather than guessing and potentially owing at tax time. Also, remember you can always adjust your W-4s mid-year if your situation changes or if you find you're withholding too much or too little based on your paychecks!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you say you ended up owing $600 despite checking the Step 2(c) box, what were those "other factors" that caused the issue? My husband and I are in a similar boat (just got married in February) and I want to make sure we don't miss anything important when we use the estimator. Were there things like bonuses, different pay schedules, or tax credits that threw off the calculations?
I'm dealing with a very similar situation and wanted to add my perspective after going through this recently. Like many others here, I initially panicked when I realized I had been taking distributions instead of running proper payroll for my S-Corp. After reading through all the advice here and doing my own research, I decided to go the retroactive payroll route. Here's what I found most helpful: 1. Don't delay - the longer you wait, the higher the penalties become 2. Most payroll services are familiar with this situation and can guide you through backdated processing 3. The IRS First Time Abatement program that Lydia mentioned is real and can significantly reduce penalties if you qualify 4. Having proper documentation from the start (even if late) is infinitely better than trying to explain away zero salary on an S-Corp return I ended up using a combination of the resources mentioned here - taxr.ai helped me understand exactly what was wrong with my initial approach and gave me a clear action plan, then I used that information to work with my CPA on the corrections. The total penalties were about 8% of the taxes owed, and I'm currently working on requesting First Time Abatement since this was my first year with payroll tax obligations. Morgan, definitely don't let your CPA file showing all distributions. The retroactive payroll approach is more work upfront but saves you from potential audit headaches down the road. Happy to share more details about my specific process if it would be helpful!
@d7c3e8d4fb52 Thank you for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who recently went through this exact process. Your point about not delaying is well taken - I can see how the penalties would just keep accumulating. I'm curious about your experience with the First Time Abatement request. Did you file that immediately after submitting the backdated payroll forms, or did you wait until you received penalty notices from the IRS? I'm trying to plan out the timeline for getting this resolved properly. Also, when you mentioned taxr.ai gave you a clear action plan - did that include specific guidance on how to structure the explanatory letters that others have mentioned? I want to make sure I'm being appropriately transparent with the IRS without inadvertently making things worse. This community has been incredibly helpful in turning what felt like a disaster into a manageable (if expensive) learning experience. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences rather than just theoretical advice!
I went through this exact same situation last year and want to echo what others have said - don't panic, but definitely don't delay in fixing this properly. The retroactive payroll approach is absolutely the right way to go. I made the mistake of initially considering the "all distributions" route my CPA suggested, but after researching S-Corp audit triggers, I realized that would have been a huge red flag. Here's what worked for me: 1. Set up retroactive payroll immediately through a service like ADP or Paychex - they handle this situation regularly 2. Calculate both employer and employee FICA portions (you'll pay both since you already took the money) 3. File 941s for each quarter, even if some were zero 4. Include a brief, factual explanation letter with each filing stating this was your first S-Corp year and you misunderstood the requirements My total penalties ended up being about $1,200 on roughly $22k in salary that should have been processed through payroll. After requesting First Time Abatement (which took about 6 months to process), I got about 60% of the penalties waived. The peace of mind knowing my books are clean and compliant was worth every penny. Your CPA should understand that taking the extra time to do this right protects both of you from future audit issues. Don't let this stress you out too much - it's a very common first-year S-Corp mistake, and the IRS has processes in place to handle it. Just act quickly and do it properly!
This is such a relief to read - I'm in almost the exact same situation as the original poster and was honestly losing sleep over this. Your breakdown of the actual costs ($1,200 in penalties on $22k salary) really helps put this in perspective. I was quoted something similar by a payroll service, so it's good to know that's in the right ballpark. The First Time Abatement getting 60% waived is huge - I had no idea that program existed until reading this thread. Quick question: when you filed the explanatory letters with your 941s, did you send them as separate documents or include them directly on the forms? I want to make sure I'm documenting this properly but not overdoing it with the explanations. Thanks for taking the time to share the real numbers and timeline - it makes this feel much more manageable knowing others have successfully navigated this exact situation!
I switched from TurboTax to OLT two years ago and haven't looked back. Your situation with investments and a side gig sounds similar to mine - I have rental income, some stock transactions, and freelance work. OLT handled everything without issues. A few things that helped me with the transition: First, gather all your documents before you start. OLT's interview process is pretty straightforward but having everything organized makes it smoother. Second, take advantage of their "review" feature before filing - it catches common mistakes and missing information. The one thing I really appreciate about OLT is that they don't try to upsell you constantly like TurboTax does. You get access to all forms and schedules without paying extra fees based on "complexity." For someone with investments and side income, this alone can save you $50-100+ compared to TurboTax's tiered pricing. My advice: maybe do a side-by-side comparison this year if you're nervous. Start your return in both OLT and TurboTax (don't file from both obviously) and see how the numbers compare. I did this my first year switching and it gave me confidence that OLT was calculating everything correctly.
That's a really smart approach doing a side-by-side comparison! I'm definitely going to try that this year. Quick question - when you switched from TurboTax, were you able to import your previous year's return into OLT, or did you have to manually enter everything from scratch? I'm worried about missing something important during the transition.
@Sofia Torres Unfortunately, OLT can t'directly import from TurboTax - you ll'need to manually enter your information. But honestly, it s'not as bad as it sounds! I kept my previous year s'TurboTax return open in another browser tab and just referenced it as I went through OLT s'interview process. The categories are pretty similar, so it s'mostly just transferring numbers over. The good news is that once you use OLT for one year, they can import your previous return for future years. So you only have to do the manual entry once during the transition. Pro tip: Print out or save a PDF of your last TurboTax return before you start. Having a hard copy to reference makes the process much smoother than trying to navigate between two different tax software interfaces.
I made the switch from TurboTax to OLT last year and it was one of the best financial decisions I made! Like you, I was hesitant because I have a more complex situation - W-2 income, multiple 1099s from freelance work, some stock sales, and rental property income. OLT handled everything seamlessly. The interface takes a little getting used to if you're coming from TurboTax's hand-holding approach, but it's actually more straightforward once you get the hang of it. What I love most is that there are no surprise fees - federal filing is completely free regardless of how many forms you need, and state filing is just $9.95. The investment reporting section is solid - it imported my 1099-B data correctly and calculated my capital gains without issues. For your side gig, the Schedule C section walks you through all the business expense categories and even suggests deductions you might have missed. One tip: their help articles are actually really comprehensive, so if you get stuck on something, check those first before reaching out to customer service. I saved about $150 compared to what I would have paid TurboTax for the same level of service. Definitely worth trying this year!
Thanks for sharing your experience, Diego! This is really helpful since our tax situations sound almost identical. I'm curious about the import feature for investment data - did you have any issues with it pulling in all the details correctly from your brokerage? I have accounts with a couple different brokers and I'm always worried about transcription errors when there are a lot of transactions to input. Also, how did you find their guidance on rental property depreciation and expense categorization compared to TurboTax?
Just make sure when you do sell it that you get proper documentation from the buyer. I sold some gold coins at a local shop and they didn't give me any paperwork, which made tax reporting a nightmare. Find a reputable dealer who will provide a receipt with the date, amount, and description of what was sold.
This is good advice. Also consider shopping around for the best price - some dealers offer significantly less than others. I got quotes that varied by almost 10% when I was selling my gold coins last year.
One thing to keep in mind is that you'll need to report this on Form 8949 and Schedule D when you file your taxes. Since it's a collectible, make sure to check the appropriate box indicating it's subject to the 28% rate rather than regular capital gains rates. Also, regarding your basis documentation - if you truly can't find any records from when you received it, you could reach out to your uncle to see if he has any documentation of when he purchased it or what he paid. Sometimes the gifter keeps better records than the recipient. If that doesn't work, using historical gold prices from reputable sources like COMEX or major precious metals dealers for the approximate date you received it would be a reasonable approach for establishing your basis. Just remember that the IRS can ask for documentation during an audit, so whatever method you use to establish your basis, make sure you can explain and justify it with reasonable evidence.
This is really helpful advice about Form 8949 and reaching out to the uncle for documentation! I'm wondering though - if the uncle doesn't have records either, how specific do you need to be with the date when using historical gold prices? Like, do you need to pinpoint the exact month, or is it okay to use a general timeframe like "summer 2016" and pick an average price from that period? I'm worried about being too precise when I'm not 100% certain of the exact date.
Carmen Ortiz
One important thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're filing electronically, you need to make sure you're using the right form! The IRS has been phasing out 1099-MISC for nonemployee compensation and now requires 1099-NEC for contractor payments. 1099-MISC is still used for other types of payments like rent, prizes, etc. Made this mistake last year and had to refile everything š
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Sean Murphy
ā¢OMG thank you for mentioning this! I had no idea they separated the forms. So for my contractors who do web design, marketing, and other services for my business, I should be using 1099-NEC, not 1099-MISC?? This is exactly why I hate tax season!
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Lucas Kowalski
ā¢Yes, exactly! For independent contractors like web designers, marketers, consultants, freelancers, etc. who you paid $600 or more during the year, you need to use Form 1099-NEC (Nonemployee Compensation). This change happened in 2020 but a lot of people still don't know about it. Form 1099-MISC is now only used for things like rent payments to property managers, prizes/awards, legal settlements, and other miscellaneous income that isn't contractor payments. The good news is that most electronic filing systems and tax software will automatically guide you to the right form based on what type of payment you're reporting. Just make sure when you're setting up your contractors in whatever system you use, you classify them correctly as "independent contractors" or "nonemployee compensation" rather than "miscellaneous income.
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Wesley Hallow
Just want to add another perspective on electronic filing options! I've been helping small businesses with their 1099 filings for years, and here's what I've found works best: For someone with 8 contractors like you mentioned, I'd definitely recommend going with a reputable tax software or third-party service rather than trying to navigate the IRS FIRE system directly. The learning curve and time investment just isn't worth it for that volume. A few additional tips that might help: - Make sure you have all your contractors' correct legal names and TINs BEFORE you start filing. Mismatched information is the #1 cause of rejections. - Keep digital copies of all the 1099s you send to contractors - you'll need them for your own tax return. - If you use accounting software like QuickBooks, make sure it's the version that includes 1099 e-filing. The basic versions sometimes don't have this feature. Also, don't stress too much about the electronic vs paper distinction - the IRS actually processes electronic returns much faster and with fewer errors. You made the right choice switching away from paper filing! The electronic confirmation you get when filing is also really helpful for your records.
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Mei Chen
ā¢This is really helpful advice! I'm new to handling business taxes and the whole 1099 process seems overwhelming. Quick question - when you mention keeping digital copies of the 1099s for my own tax return, where exactly do those go on my business return? Do I need to attach them or just keep them for my records? Also, is there a specific deadline for sending the 1099s to the contractors themselves versus filing with the IRS?
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