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This is why startup equity compensation is such a minefield. I messed up my 83(b) filing too but in a different way - I filed it but forgot to include a copy with my tax return, which apparently also invalidates it. Anyone know if there's any possible relief or exception? I've heard rumors about a "reasonable cause" exception for late filings?

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Miguel Silva

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Unfortunately, the IRS is super strict about the 30-day window for 83(b) elections. From everything I've researched, there's no "reasonable cause" exception for missing the deadline. Rev. Proc. 2012-29 makes it pretty clear the deadline is non-negotiable. For your specific situation though (filing with IRS but forgetting to include with tax return), you might actually be ok! The critical part is getting it to the IRS within 30 days. Including a copy with your return is a requirement but there might be ways to correct that error since you did make the actual filing on time.

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StarSailor}

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Thanks for that info! That's a huge relief. I was able to get a stamped copy of my original filing so hopefully that's enough proof that I made the actual election on time. This stuff is unnecessarily complicated!

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I feel your pain on this one! Missing the 83(b) election is unfortunately more common than you'd think, especially at startups where HR doesn't always explain the importance clearly. Since your initial FMV was $0.00, you're actually in a relatively good position compared to others who miss this deadline. The main thing to understand is that now you'll be taxed on ordinary income as your shares vest based on their fair market value at each vesting date. My advice: start preparing financially now. Set up a separate savings account and begin putting money aside for the tax bills that will come with each vesting event. If your company has had any funding rounds or valuation increases since you received your equity, those taxes could be substantial even though you won't have cash from selling shares to pay them. Also, make sure you understand exactly when your vesting dates are and try to get the company's most recent 409A valuation reports so you can estimate what you'll owe. Being proactive about this will save you from scrambling when tax time comes around.

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Levi Parker

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This is really solid advice, especially about setting up a separate savings account for taxes! I'm new to equity compensation and had no idea about the "phantom income" issue until reading this thread. Quick question - do you know if there's a general rule of thumb for what percentage of the vested value to set aside for taxes? I'm trying to figure out how much to save since I have no idea what tax bracket this will put me in.

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Evelyn Kim

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Great question! A good rule of thumb is to set aside 35-40% of the vested value for taxes, though this can vary based on your total income and state taxes. The equity income will be treated as ordinary income (not capital gains), so it gets added to your regular salary and taxed at your marginal rate. If this pushes you into a higher tax bracket or you're in a high-tax state like California, you might want to be even more conservative and save closer to 45-50%. It's better to overestimate and have extra cash than to scramble during tax season. Also consider that you'll likely owe quarterly estimated taxes once the amounts get substantial - the IRS doesn't like waiting until April to get paid on large income items. A tax professional familiar with equity compensation can help you set up the quarterly payments properly.

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Vince Eh

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Ive been a tax preparer for 8 years and ppl get confused about this all the time! Here's a quick cheat sheet for adult kids: 1. Over 19 (or over 24 if student) + income over $4,700 = NOT your dependent 2. Under 19 (or under 24 if student) + income ANY amount = CAN be your dependent if you provide >50% support and they live with you The only exception is permanently disabled adult children who can be dependents regardless of age.

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Is that $4,700 limit set in stone? I thought it changes each year with inflation or something?

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Mary Bates

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Yes, the $4,700 limit does change annually! For 2024 taxes (filed in 2025), it's $4,700. For 2023 taxes it was $4,400. The IRS adjusts it each year for inflation, so it gradually increases over time. Always check the current year's amount when doing your taxes since using an outdated figure could cause problems.

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Just to add another perspective - I went through this exact situation with my 19-year-old last year. She made about $6,800 working retail and I was so frustrated that I couldn't claim her even though I was paying for everything else in her life. What helped me was looking at it this way: even though you lose the dependent exemption, your kids will likely get most of their withheld taxes back as refunds since they're in such low tax brackets. In my daughter's case, she got back about $900 that had been withheld from her paychecks. Also, don't forget that you might still qualify for other tax benefits even if you can't claim them as dependents. If either of your kids takes any college courses (even just one class), you could potentially claim education credits. And if you're paying for their health insurance, you can still deduct those premiums in some situations. The IRS rules seem harsh but they're designed to prevent double-dipping - your kids get to keep their refunds, and the system assumes adults earning income should file their own returns.

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Sophia Russo

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This is really helpful perspective! I hadn't thought about it that way - that my kids would actually get refunds. That does make me feel a bit better about the whole situation. Do you happen to know if there are any other tax benefits I might still be eligible for even though I can't claim them as dependents? You mentioned health insurance premiums - is that something I can deduct if I'm covering them on my plan?

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Lucy Taylor

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I went through almost exactly your situation in 2023. Filed in January, needed refund urgently, contacted TAS on March 12th, and didn't hear back until April 27th - exactly 46 days later. When they finally reached out, my case was resolved in precisely 3 days. The frustrating reality is that TAS is handling 500% more cases than they were designed for. One thing I learned: document EVERYTHING. Note every call time, representative name, reference number, and promised follow-up date. In my case, having this detailed record of my 14 previous contact attempts actually helped expedite things once I finally got through. If you're facing eviction in 7 days, I'd recommend physically going to your local Taxpayer Assistance Center - they can sometimes intervene in true emergency situations.

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Thank you so much for sharing this detailed experience. I've been keeping notes but not as thoroughly as you described. Going to start tracking everything more carefully now. Really appreciate the suggestion about visiting in person - I didn't even know that was an option!

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I'm so sorry you're going through this - the stress of potentially losing housing with 5 kids while dealing with IRS delays must be overwhelming. From what I've learned lurking in this community, TAS is severely backlogged right now, but there are a few things you might try immediately: 1. **Emergency hardship designation**: Since you're facing imminent eviction, call TAS and specifically use the phrase "emergency hardship case" - this should trigger faster processing according to their own guidelines. 2. **Local Taxpayer Assistance Center**: As Lucy mentioned, showing up in person with documentation of your eviction notice might get you faster help than phone calls. 3. **Multiple congressional offices**: Don't just contact your representative - try both senators too. Sometimes one office is more responsive than others. 4. **Document everything**: Keep a detailed log of every interaction, including times you were hung up on. This creates a paper trail that can be useful for escalation. The system is clearly broken when families are at risk of homelessness while waiting for their own tax money. You shouldn't have to choose between paying for third-party services and keeping a roof over your kids' heads. Have you been able to get any written confirmation from TAS about your case status or timeline?

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This is really helpful advice, especially the part about using specific language like "emergency hardship case." I'm new to dealing with tax issues but have been following similar stories here. One thing that struck me - is there a way to escalate beyond the local TAS office if they're not responding? Like, does TAS have supervisors or managers who handle cases when the regular advocates aren't following up? It seems like there should be some kind of internal accountability when people are literally facing homelessness over delayed refunds.

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Just don't do what my roommate did last year - he tried to deduct his Netflix subscription because he "watches it between deliveries while waiting for orders" lol. He got his return flagged and ended up having to pay it back plus penalties.

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Sophia Long

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That's hilarious and painful at the same time! Did he actually get audited or did they just adjust his return?

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They didn't do a full audit thankfully, just what they call a "correspondence audit" where they questioned specific items on his return. They disallowed the Netflix deduction plus a few other questionable things he tried to write off (like all his groceries because "he needs energy to deliver food"). He had to pay back about $840 plus a 20% accuracy-related penalty. The IRS sent him a letter explaining why each item wasn't considered a legitimate business expense. Expensive lesson learned!

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Thanks for all the detailed info everyone! As someone new to gig work, this is super helpful. I've been doing DoorDash for about 3 months now and was worried I was missing out on deductions, but it sounds like I'm already tracking the main one (mileage). Quick question - I bought a car phone charger specifically for deliveries since my phone dies during long shifts. That would be deductible equipment like the hot bags, right? Also, if I get my oil changed more frequently because of all the delivery miles, can I deduct that if I'm using the standard mileage rate or is that already included? Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. Tax season is stressful enough without trying to figure out what's legitimate!

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Tax preparer refusing to reveal refund amount until I pay their invoice - is this normal?

I'm super late filing my 2021 taxes and it's been a whole nightmare. I started my small business back in 2020 and figured I needed professional help with the taxes for the first time ever. Earlier this year, I had my 2021 taxes prepared but not filed by a tax preparer who then completely disappeared on me. They gave me paper copies of everything but then went MIA when it came time to actually file. So I found a new tax preparer and gave them all my documents plus the work the previous preparer had done. The whole process has been painfully slow, and sometimes the new preparer would forget important stuff we had already talked about. I should mention that the first preparer projected a pretty big refund (mostly from the Employee Retention Credit for COVID lost work) and my new tax preparer has been skeptical about it from the start. They've questioned whether the first preparer was being ethical about the whole thing. On November 5th, I texted the new preparer asking if they needed anything else from me. After several unanswered calls and texts, I finally got an email on Saturday the 11th saying they'd contact me on Monday the 13th. Monday came and went with no call, so Tuesday morning I sent another text saying I was still waiting to hear back. Tuesday night around 8pm, I received an email with an invoice attached. I thought "Great, this means they're done!" The amount matched what we had agreed on, so I replied saying I'd pay it and asked about my expected refund amount. That's when things got weird. They responded that they won't tell me the refund amount until I pay their invoice. Is this normal practice? I've never had a tax preparer refuse to tell me the outcome of my return until after I've paid them.

I'm curious about how the Employee Retention Credit was calculated by your first preparer. I know the rules around that were super strict - your business had to be fully or partially suspended due to government orders OR have a significant decline in gross receipts during specific quarters. Some preparers were claiming it for businesses that didn't actually qualify.

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Lydia Bailey

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Yeah the ERC rules were crazy complex. My friend got hit with a huge audit because their preparer claimed it when they weren't actually eligible. The preparer disappeared and my friend was left holding the bag. Always be super careful with these special credits!

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Sofia Price

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This is definitely not normal practice and honestly sounds like a huge red flag. Any reputable tax preparer should be transparent about your refund amount - that's YOUR money and YOUR tax information, after all. Given that you've already had one preparer disappear on you and now this second one is being evasive about communication AND withholding basic information about your return, I'd be very concerned about the quality of their work. The fact that they've been skeptical about the Employee Retention Credit from the start but won't show you how they've handled it is particularly worrying. I'd strongly recommend demanding to see the completed return before paying. You need to verify that the ERC calculation is legitimate and that all other aspects of your return are accurate. If they refuse, that tells you everything you need to know about their professionalism. You might be better off cutting your losses and finding a third preparer who will actually be transparent with you about your own tax return. Remember, you're the one who has to sign that return under penalty of perjury - you have every right to review what you're putting your name on before paying for the service.

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