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International taxation help needed - US-France double tax treaty and LLC implications

I need some help with international tax issues. My business partner has a thriving construction company here in the US, and we're looking at a major expansion by buying out a competitor. His mother, who lives in France (not a US citizen), wants to invest a substantial amount to help fund this acquisition as part of her estate planning strategy. Our accountant is pretty sharp with domestic issues but admits this international situation is outside his comfort zone. The current structure is an operating corporation with some properties held in a separate LLC partnership that leases back to the main company. The plan our accountant suggested is creating a US single-member LLC as a holding company where the mother would own a percentage of the operating company through this structure. She also wants to use this same LLC to make various US stock market investments unrelated to our construction business. She won't have any ownership in the real estate LLC partnership. My main question: Since this would be a disregarded single-member LLC, would dividends from the operating corporation to the LLC be considered paid directly to the French mother? And if so, would that mean a 15% tax rate on those dividends under the US-France double tax treaty? Any insights from someone with international tax expertise would be incredibly helpful! This is a significant opportunity for the business, but we want to make sure the structure is optimal for everyone involved.

Make sure you're considering the Form 8832 "check-the-box" implications here. A single-member LLC is automatically disregarded for US tax purposes unless you elect to have it treated as a corporation by filing Form 8832. Sometimes it's actually beneficial to elect corporate treatment for a foreign-owned LLC to simplify reporting and avoid certain direct ownership issues, even though it creates a separate taxable entity. The French investor should also check with a French tax advisor since the French tax treatment of the LLC might not match the US treatment.

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This is really important! France might not recognize the disregarded entity concept the same way the US does. I had a client from Paris with a similar structure and the French tax authorities treated the LLC as a separate entity regardless of the US tax classification, creating a huge reporting headache.

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Laila Prince

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This is exactly the kind of complex international tax situation where you really need specialized expertise. I've dealt with similar French investment structures and there are several additional considerations beyond just the treaty withholding rates. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the potential French wealth tax (IFI) implications. If the mother is a French tax resident, her ownership in US real estate through the LLC structure could trigger French wealth tax obligations, even if she doesn't directly own the real estate LLC partnership you mentioned. Also, consider the timing of distributions. The US-France treaty has specific tie-breaker rules for determining tax residence that could affect the treaty benefits if there's any question about her French residency status. Make sure she maintains clear documentation of her French tax residency. Given the substantial investment amount you mentioned, I'd strongly recommend getting a formal opinion from someone who specializes in US-France tax matters before finalizing the structure. The cost of proper planning upfront will be much less than trying to unwind a problematic structure later, especially with the recent changes to international reporting requirements. The suggestions about getting direct IRS guidance are also solid - having official confirmation of how they'll view the structure can provide valuable certainty for everyone involved.

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Does W-2 Third Party Sick Pay qualify as earned income for ABLE Account additional contributions?

I've been collecting taxable W-2 third party sick pay for about 8 months now, and I know it counts as earned income for my Roth IRA and for the Earned Income Credit. But I'm trying to figure out if it also counts as earned income for making additional contributions to my nephew's ABLE account beyond the standard $18k annual gift tax limit. I found some information in IRS publications that says: "Earned income. If you are retired on disability, benefits you receive under your employer's disability retirement plan are considered earned income until you reach minimum retirement age." It also mentions that certain employed ABLE account beneficiaries can make additional contributions up to either their compensation for the tax year or the poverty line amount ($13,590 in continental US, $15,630 in Hawaii, $16,990 in Alaska). The instructions for 1099-QA and 5498-QA forms say the additional contribution can be up to the lesser of: - The designated beneficiary's compensation (IRC section 219(f)(1)) - The poverty line amount for a one-person household Looking at California's ABLE contribution form, it states you can only make an ABLE to Work contribution if: - The Beneficiary is earning wages - The contribution is less than or equal to the Beneficiary's gross income - The Beneficiary hasn't contributed to a 401K, 403(b), or 457(b) plan this calendar year My nephew isn't currently working but does receive about $22,500 in W-2 third party sick pay annually. Would this qualify him to make additional contributions beyond the $18k limit? Would it be worth paying $12k for a private letter ruling in this situation? It seems expensive but could potentially open up more tax-advantaged investment space, since he's otherwise limited to just $7k in Roth IRA plus the standard $18k ABLE contribution.

Omar Farouk

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my sister's ABLE account. Based on everything shared here, it sounds like the consensus is that W-2 third party sick pay doesn't qualify for the additional ABLE contribution beyond the $18k limit. The key distinction seems to be that while sick pay counts as "earned income" for many tax purposes, the ABLE additional contribution provision specifically targets current employment as a work incentive. The "earning wages" language in state forms appears to reflect this narrower federal intent. @Alice Coleman - that's a great point about exploring minimal employment options! Even small amounts of actual wages could unlock that additional contribution space. For someone receiving $22.5k in sick pay, adding even $5k in actual earned income could provide significant additional tax-advantaged savings opportunities. Has anyone here actually tried making the additional contribution with only sick pay income and had issues, or is this all based on guidance and interpretations? I'm curious if there are any real-world examples of problems arising.

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Amara Nwosu

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Great summary of the discussion! I haven't personally tried making the additional contribution with only sick pay, but I did speak with my state's ABLE program administrator about a similar situation last year. They were pretty clear that they follow the federal guidance requiring "compensation from employment" rather than just any earned income. What's interesting is that they mentioned they don't actively audit the source of additional contributions when they're made, but if there was ever an IRS examination, the burden would be on the account holder to prove the income qualified. Given that sick pay is specifically excluded in most interpretations, it could create problems down the road even if the contribution was initially accepted. @Alice Coleman s'suggestion about minimal employment is really smart - even freelance or gig work that generates a small 1099 could potentially qualify, as long as it s'actual compensation for services performed rather than disability benefits.

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I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and research on this topic. Based on all the discussion here, it seems pretty clear that W-2 third party sick pay wouldn't qualify for the additional ABLE contribution beyond the $18k annual limit. What strikes me is how this highlights a gap in the tax code - your nephew is receiving substantial income ($22.5k annually) that counts as earned income for IRAs and tax credits, but doesn't qualify for this particular benefit because it's not from current employment. The legislative intent behind the ABLE to Work provision was clearly to incentivize employment, but it does create these edge cases. Given the cost and uncertainty involved, I'd recommend against pursuing the private letter ruling unless the potential tax savings significantly exceed that $12k cost. Instead, maximizing the standard $18k ABLE contribution plus the $7k Roth IRA contribution gives you $25k in annual tax-advantaged savings space, which is still substantial. The suggestion about exploring minimal employment opportunities is worth considering if your nephew is able to work even part-time. Even $3-4k in actual wages could unlock that additional contribution space while providing other benefits like maintaining work skills and social connections.

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Emily Sanjay

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Dont panic! I went thru this last yr. Just be organized, respond on time, and stay on top of any followup letters. And def get a tax pro if its complicated.

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Lucas Turner

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I've been through a similar situation! Your 2024 refund shouldn't be automatically held up just because you have an open 2022 audit - they're separate tax years. However, the IRS might take a closer look at your 2024 return if there are patterns they're investigating from 2022. My advice: Don't delay filing your 2024 taxes. File on time and separately handle the 2022 audit. The key is responding to that March 26th deadline with complete documentation. I'd also suggest calling the IRS practitioner priority line if you have a tax pro helping you, or the regular taxpayer line to confirm they received your response once you send it. One thing that helped me was creating a timeline of all correspondence and keeping detailed records of what I sent and when. The online account tracking is helpful but sometimes lags behind actual processing.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with audits and wasn't sure if I should wait to file my 2024 return. Good to know they're treated separately. Did you end up getting your refund for the current year while your audit was still ongoing? Also, how long did it take for the IRS to actually process your audit response once you sent everything in?

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Just want to add something nobody's mentioned yet - if your LLC has high profit margins, you might actually benefit from changing your tax election from S-Corp to Schedule C sole proprietor. As a sole prop, you can contribute up to 20% of your net self-employment income as employer contributions, which could potentially be higher than the S-Corp 25% of W-2 wages if you're keeping your salary low to save on employment taxes.

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That's interesting - I hadn't considered that angle. But wouldn't I end up paying more in self-employment taxes as a Schedule C that would offset the higher retirement contribution benefits?

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Yes, you'd pay more in self-employment taxes as a Schedule C, so it's definitely a trade-off. Every dollar of business profit would be subject to self-employment tax, whereas with an S-Corp, only your W-2 wages are subject to employment taxes. It really comes down to running the numbers both ways. If maximizing retirement contributions is your primary goal, Schedule C might work better despite higher SE taxes. But if overall tax minimization is the goal, S-Corp usually wins. Most people find the S-Corp advantage outweighs the slightly lower retirement contribution potential, but it depends on your specific situation and priorities.

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As someone who just went through this exact calculation for my own single-member LLC S-Corp, I can confirm what others have said - the 25% employer contribution is based on your W-2 wages ($13,500 in your case), giving you a maximum of $3,375 for the profit sharing portion. One thing I learned the hard way though is timing. Make sure you get your employer contributions in by the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for the tax year. Employee contributions have to be made by December 31st, but employer profit sharing contributions can be made up until you file your return. Also, since you mentioned you have about $35k in net profit ($42k revenue minus $7k expenses), you might want to consider increasing your W-2 salary. The IRS expects "reasonable compensation" and $13.5k seems pretty low relative to your business income. Increasing your salary would also allow for higher retirement contributions, though you'd pay more in employment taxes. It's worth running the numbers both ways.

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Nia Thompson

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This is really helpful timing information! I had no idea about the different deadlines for employee vs employer contributions. So just to make sure I understand - if I'm filing my 2024 return in April 2025, I could still make the employer profit sharing contribution for 2024 up until April 15th (or later if I file an extension), but any employee contributions for 2024 would have had to be made by December 31st, 2024? Also, regarding the reasonable compensation point - is there a safe harbor rule or specific guidance on what percentage of net profit should be paid as W-2 wages? I chose $13.5k somewhat arbitrarily and want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for issues with the IRS.

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Acquaintance committed tax fraud on SBA loan applications - what are the potential consequences?

So a close acquaintance of mine is in a really tough situation and I'm trying to help figure out the potential fallout. They run a small sole proprietorship that was doing okay until 2022 when revenue dropped below $85k, and it's gotten even worse in 2023. Back in mid-2022, they got desperate and applied for an SBA 7(a) loan for around $150k by manipulating bank statements and financial documents to make the business appear more stable than it actually was. In reality, they had almost no cash reserves. The loan did temporarily help revive the business until the economic downturn hit. Recently, they doubled down and took out another SBA 7(a) loan for $90k, but this time they needed to prove they had no tax debt. So they not only falsified financial statements again but also created fake payment receipts showing they'd paid their 2022 taxes - when in truth they didn't make a single estimated payment and got an extension on filing. They've also applied for a government business relief program, but this time used legitimate documentation. What complicates things more is they recently got married, and they're planning to buy a house soon. They haven't told their spouse about any of this. The business is basically failing now, though they're keeping it registered while paying off these loans. They're making all loan payments on time and intend to continue, but they're worried about: 1) When they finally file their 2022 return and pay taxes, will the IRS somehow flag the discrepancy with what was shown to the SBA? 2) Will mortgage applications somehow reveal all this? 3) If they're approved for business relief using accurate documentation, will the SBA notice the inconsistency with previous loan applications? They're wondering if anyone will even discover this as long as they keep making payments. What are the chances of someone with such a small business getting audited and everything coming to light? They will be telling their spouse soon but want to understand the potential consequences first. Any guidance would be appreciated!

Has anyone mentioned the mortgage fraud aspect? I'm a mortgage underwriter, and we absolutely pull tax transcripts directly from the IRS for self-employed borrowers. We also request business bank statements and analyze deposits. If your friend applies for a mortgage showing business income that doesn't match their tax returns, or if their loan statements show debt obligations that don't align with their credit report, it will 100% trigger a fraud alert in our system. Then we're required to file a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) with FinCEN, which shares information with other federal agencies including the SBA. This happens even if we deny the loan. So even if they somehow avoided detection until now, the mortgage application process could be what finally exposes everything.

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Does this happen if they apply based just on their spouse's income? Like if they don't include the business at all on the mortgage application?

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Javier Torres

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This situation is beyond alarming. As someone who's dealt with IRS compliance issues for years, I need to emphasize that your friend has created a perfect storm of federal violations that will almost certainly be discovered. The IRS and SBA have been sharing data extensively since 2020. When your friend files their actual 2022 return showing no estimated payments, it will automatically be cross-referenced against their SBA loan applications. The IRS has sophisticated algorithms that flag these exact discrepancies. What makes this worse is the timing - they're planning major financial moves (marriage, home purchase) right when scrutiny is highest. Mortgage lenders now use automated systems that compare tax transcripts, bank statements, and existing loan obligations. Any inconsistencies trigger immediate fraud alerts. The "small business won't get audited" assumption is dead wrong. The SBA Inspector General has dramatically increased fraud investigations, especially for loans taken during economic downturns. They're specifically targeting cases with falsified tax documents. Your friend needs to understand: this isn't going away. The federal government has invested billions in fraud detection systems specifically designed to catch this type of scheme. Making payments on time doesn't eliminate the crime - it just delays discovery. They need a federal criminal defense attorney immediately. Not next week, not after they tell their spouse - now. Every day they wait makes their position worse and limits their options for potential cooperation agreements. This is career-ending, marriage-ending, and potentially freedom-ending serious.

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This is absolutely sobering to read. The data sharing between agencies is something I didn't fully understand before. Is there any realistic timeline for when these automated systems typically flag discrepancies? Like are we talking weeks, months, or years before the algorithms connect the dots between the false SBA documents and the real tax filings? I'm trying to help my friend understand how urgent this really is.

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Isaac Wright

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The timeline can vary, but it's getting faster every year. Based on what I've seen in compliance work, the IRS typically processes and cross-references tax returns within 3-6 months of filing. However, the SBA's fraud detection systems run continuous background checks on active loans. What's particularly concerning for your friend is that they're planning to file their 2022 return soon, which will immediately create a data mismatch. The automated systems flag these discrepancies within days or weeks of the tax return being processed. The mortgage application will likely trigger the fastest response - those fraud alerts go out in real-time during underwriting, sometimes within 24-48 hours of application submission. Your friend is essentially racing against multiple detection systems that are all accelerating. The window for proactive legal consultation is closing rapidly, especially if they're planning any of these major financial moves in the coming months.

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