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Tony Brooks

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Has anyone successfully used Form 8802/6166 to get a FULL refund of withheld Japanese taxes rather than just reducing future withholding? My Japanese client has been withholding at 10.21% for the past 6 months and I just learned about this form. Can I get back what they've already withheld?

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Tony Brooks

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Thanks so much for this information! I had no idea there was a separate process for getting refunds from the Japanese tax authority. Do you happen to know if there's a time limit for requesting these refunds? I've been dealing with this withholding for almost two years now.

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Yes, there is a time limit! For Japanese tax refunds, you generally have 5 years from the end of the tax year when the withholding occurred to file for a refund. So if withholding happened in 2023, you'd have until the end of 2028 to apply. However, I'd recommend acting sooner rather than later because the Japanese National Tax Agency sometimes requires additional documentation that can take time to gather. Also, exchange rates can affect the refund amount you receive, so timing can impact your actual dollar recovery. Make sure to keep detailed records of all payments and withholding amounts - you'll need these for the Japanese refund application along with your Form 6166 from the IRS.

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Omar Farouk

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Just wanted to add a practical tip for anyone going through this process - make sure to coordinate the timing of your Form 8802 application with your Japanese client's payment schedule. I made the mistake of getting my Form 6166 right after my client had already processed their quarterly withholding calculations. Even though I provided the certification immediately, they couldn't adjust the withholding rate until their next quarterly period, which meant I still had to deal with over-withholding for another 3 months. Now I plan ahead and submit my Form 8802 application in November/December so I have my Form 6166 ready for the new tax year. This way my Japanese client can implement the reduced withholding rate (usually 0-5% instead of 10.21%) from January 1st. Also, don't forget to file Form 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) on your US return for any taxes that were withheld, even at the reduced rate. You can claim a credit for the actual amount withheld, which helps avoid double taxation.

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This is really helpful timing advice! I wish I had known about coordinating with quarterly periods earlier. Quick question - when you mention filing Form 1116 for the Foreign Tax Credit, does this apply even if I successfully get the withholding reduced to 0% through the treaty? Or is Form 1116 only needed when there's still some withholding happening at the reduced rate? Also, for anyone else reading this, does the timing coordination work the same way with other countries, or is the quarterly adjustment period specific to how Japanese companies handle their tax withholding?

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Ben Cooper

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I see people on TikTok still claiming to get early deposits, but I think they're just recycling content from previous years to get views. Literally everyone I know personally has gotten their refund exactly on DDD date this year.

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Facts šŸ’Æ So many TikTok tax "experts" posting outdated or straight up false info for clout

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They're doing the same thing on YouTube. All those "GET YOUR REFUND EARLY" videos from January were completely wrong this year.

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QuantumQuest

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This is super helpful info! I was going crazy wondering why my refund wasn't coming early like last year. Filed in February and my DDD is tomorrow - now I know to expect it exactly then instead of checking my account obsessively starting 5 days ago šŸ˜… The IRS really should have communicated this change better to taxpayers. Would have saved a lot of stress and confusion!

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Totally agree about the communication! As someone new to filing taxes, I had no idea this change happened and was stressing out thinking something was wrong with my return. Would have been nice to get some kind of heads up from the IRS about this new system. At least now I know what to expect for next year!

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3 weeks aint bad tbh. im on week 6 still waiting šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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oof that sucks. hope u get it soon!

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Mei Chen

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Pro tip: if you're having trouble with the CA FTB website, try calling their automated refund hotline at 1-800-338-0505. It's usually faster than the website and gives you the same info. You can also set up text alerts so they'll notify you when your refund is processed. Good luck!

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Amina Diallo

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This is super helpful! I didn't know about the text alerts feature. Definitely going to set that up for next year. Thanks for sharing the phone number too - way better than waiting for websites to load šŸ‘

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Yara Sayegh

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TC570 gang checking in! šŸ™‹ā€ā™€ļø Got mine yesterday and honestly went through all the stages of grief in about 10 minutes lol. First time dealing with this code and the uncertainty is brutal. Really appreciate everyone sharing their timelines and experiences - it's so reassuring to know this is actually pretty normal and not some catastrophic error on my part. The waiting game is rough but sounds like most people do get resolution eventually. Definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool since I'd rather have actual information than keep googling "TC570" every hour and scaring myself with worst case scenarios. Thanks for creating this space where we can all stress together! šŸ˜…

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Right there with you! šŸ¤ Just got my TC570 this morning and went straight into panic mode until I found this thread. The "stages of grief" comment is so accurate - I definitely went from denial to anger to bargaining in record time šŸ˜‚ It's wild how something as simple as a three-digit code can send us all into a spiral, but honestly this community is a lifesaver. Everyone sharing their timelines and experiences makes this so much less scary. Definitely going to try that taxr.ai tool too since I'm already tired of obsessively googling and getting conflicting information. Here's hoping we all get our 571 codes soon and can move on from this stress! Thanks for keeping it real about the emotional rollercoaster - makes me feel way less crazy about my reaction lol

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TC570 crew unite! šŸ’Ŗ Just joined the club this morning and honestly feeling so much better after reading everyone's stories here. Was spiraling hard when I first saw that code pop up - thought for sure I'd messed something up majorly on my return. But seeing all these timelines and knowing it's just a normal review process is such a relief. The anxiety is still there but way more manageable now. Really grateful for everyone being so open about their experiences and wait times. Definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool since I'm already getting tired of trying to decode these transcript mysteries on my own. Here's to hoping we all get through this waiting period quickly and can celebrate our 571 codes together! šŸ¤ž

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ugh im so sorry youre dealing with this. my daughter has similar issues and the financial strain is already unbearable without irs delays. sending you strength šŸ’–

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I'm so sorry you're going through this - having a child with special needs and dealing with IRS delays is an incredibly stressful combination. A few suggestions that might help: 1. Document EVERYTHING related to your child's medical expenses and needs. Create a hardship letter explaining how the delay is affecting your ability to provide necessary care. 2. Try the Taxpayer Advocate Service - they're specifically designed for cases like yours where there's demonstrable hardship. Yes, they're backlogged, but they do prioritize cases involving disabled dependents. 3. Contact your congressional representative's office. Many have dedicated staff for IRS issues and can sometimes expedite cases faster than going through normal channels. 4. In the meantime, reach out to local autism support organizations, food banks, and your child's medical providers about emergency assistance programs while you wait. The 810 code is frustrating because it's often just a routine verification that takes forever to clear. But with proper documentation of hardship, you may be able to get it expedited. Don't give up - keep pushing through all available channels. Your child's needs are legitimate grounds for priority handling. Hang in there. This will resolve, and there are people and resources to help bridge the gap until it does. ā¤ļø

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