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I've been through this paper check waiting game three times now. Here's what I've learned: ⢠Paper checks typically arrive 7-14 calendar days after the refund approval date ⢠The IRS doesn't provide tracking numbers for refund checks ⢠The Where's My Refund tool won't update once it shows "Your refund has been approved" ⢠Checks are mailed from regional service centers, so your location matters ⢠If it's been more than 4 weeks, you can request a payment trace Last year my check arrived exactly 9 days after approval. The year before that, 12 days. It's not an exact science, but the mail usually delivers within two weeks.
Based on my experience from last tax season, I received my paper check exactly 10 days after verification. I verified on a Wednesday and got the check the following Saturday. What really helped me was setting up USPS Informed Delivery like Paolo mentioned - you can actually see a preview image of your mail each morning, so you'll know the day your IRS check is coming. The envelope is pretty distinctive with the Treasury Department return address. One thing to keep in mind is that if there are any holidays or postal delays in your area, it might add a day or two. But generally, the 7-14 day window that others have mentioned seems pretty accurate. Since you verified on Friday, I'd expect your check sometime between this coming Friday and the following Tuesday, assuming normal processing times. Don't stress too much about it - the IRS is actually pretty reliable with mailing checks once they're approved, even if their phone system isn't great!
Thank you for mentioning the USPS Informed Delivery tip! I just signed up for it after reading your comment. I'm in a similar situation - verified my refund status this past Monday and I'm also getting a paper check. It's reassuring to hear about your 10-day timeline. I had no idea the Treasury Department envelope would be distinctive enough to recognize in the preview images. That's actually really smart! I was getting anxious checking the mailbox every day, but now I'll at least know when to expect it. Hopefully mine follows a similar timeline to yours!
Just to add a data point here - I had this exact situation last year. LLC with S-corp election, filed 1120-S about 75 days late. I can confirm 100% that the IRC-6699 S-corporation penalties applied, not the LLC penalties. I tried to argue with the IRS that since my business is "technically" an LLC, the LLC penalty structure should apply (which would have been less in my case). They shut that down immediately. Once you elect S-corp taxation, you're treated as an S-corp for ALL tax purposes, including penalties. The good news is I was able to get a partial abatement based on reasonable cause (I had documentation showing my accountant had a family emergency). They reduced my penalty by about 40%.
How exactly did you request the abatement? Did you call or send a letter? I'm in a similar situation and wondering the most effective approach.
I sent a formal letter requesting abatement after I received the penalty notice. I included a detailed explanation of the circumstances, a signed statement from my accountant about the family emergency, and documentation showing that we had otherwise been compliant with all tax filings in previous years. The key was being very specific about why the late filing was due to circumstances beyond my control, not just carelessness. I also made sure to point out that we had no history of late filings. I think showing a pattern of past compliance really helps with these requests.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - there's a difference between late FILING penalties (Form 1120-S) and late PAYMENT penalties. If you've been making your estimated tax payments as shareholders, you might only be dealing with the late filing penalty. The IRC-6699 penalty ($220 per shareholder per month) applies to late FILING of the 1120-S. But if you also have unpaid taxes at the shareholder level (on your 1040s), that's a separate penalty structure. Just something to keep in mind when calculating what you might owe.
That's a really good point. So if I've been paying my quarterly estimated taxes properly as the owner but just filed the 1120-S late, would I still owe the 5% of unpaid taxes penalty, or just the $220 per month penalty?
If you've been paying your quarterly estimated taxes properly at the individual level, you should only face the IRC-6699 late filing penalty ($220 per shareholder per month), not the failure-to-pay penalty. The 5% monthly penalty you're thinking of applies when you have actual unpaid tax liability, but since S-corp income passes through to your personal return and you've been making estimated payments, there shouldn't be unpaid corporate-level taxes. The 1120-S is primarily an informational return that reports the pass-through items to shareholders. As long as you and your fellow shareholders have been current on your individual tax obligations, the late filing penalty should be your only concern here.
What about using Form 5213 (Election to Postpone Determination)? I've heard this gives you protection if you have to estimate business vs hobby income which seems similar to your situation.
Form 5213 wouldn't apply here. That form is specifically for the hobby loss rules when there's a question about whether an activity is engaged in for profit. It has nothing to do with partnership K-1 timing issues. The proper approach remains either filing an extension or, if you need to file sooner, using best-effort estimates with the understanding you'll likely need to amend. Just make sure to document how you arrived at your estimates.
I've been dealing with this exact same nightmare for three years running with my partnership interest. Here's what I've learned from trial and error: First, Lucas is absolutely right that Form 8082 isn't the solution here - it's for when you're intentionally reporting something different from your K-1, not for when you don't have one yet. My experience has been that filing an extension is usually the cleanest approach, but I get the refund timing issue. If you do decide to file with estimates, here are some practical tips: 1. Document EVERYTHING - keep records of any informal communications from the partnership about expected income/losses 2. Use conservative estimates rather than optimistic ones - better to owe a small amount than have a big refund clawback 3. Consider the partnership's historical patterns - if they usually have similar year-over-year numbers, that's a reasonable starting point One thing nobody mentioned: if your partnership has significant swings in income, you might want to consider making estimated quarterly payments based on last year's tax liability to avoid underpayment penalties, regardless of when you file. The whole system really is frustrating - we shouldn't have to choose between timely filing and accurate reporting because partnerships get until September to provide essential information!
This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about conservative estimates! I'm dealing with this situation for the first time and was leaning toward being optimistic with my estimates since I'm hoping for a decent refund. But you're absolutely right - owing a small amount later is way better than having to pay back a refund that was too big. Quick question on the estimated quarterly payments - if I make those based on last year's liability, does that protect me even if my actual partnership income ends up being much higher than I estimated on my return? I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for penalties down the road. Also totally agree the system is broken. It's wild that we have to become tax strategy experts just because partnerships can't get their paperwork together on time!
Has anyone used any specific tax software that makes reporting partial rental income easier? I'm in a similar boat renting my finished basement to my brother for $350/month and trying to figure out the best way to handle it on my return.
I used H&R Block Premium last year for this exact situation - they have a specific section for rental income that walks you through reporting partial home rentals. It asks questions about square footage, which expenses apply to just the rental portion vs. the whole house, etc. Made it pretty simple!
I'm in a very similar situation - renting out my spare bedroom to my niece who just started college nearby. I've been stressing about the tax implications too, especially since I'm only charging her $300/month when I could easily get $600+ from a non-family member. From what I've learned reading through all these responses, it sounds like the key points are: 1) Yes, we need to report the income even though it's family and below market rate, 2) We can deduct expenses but they might be limited to the amount of rental income we receive since it's not viewed as profit-seeking, and 3) It goes on Schedule E as passive income, not subject to self-employment tax. The part I'm still unclear on is how to calculate the percentage of home expenses I can deduct. Do I base it on square footage of just the bedroom, or should I include shared spaces like kitchen and bathroom access? Also, should I keep separate records of utilities during the rental period to show the actual increase in costs?
For calculating the percentage, you typically base it on the square footage of the bedroom your niece rents compared to the total square footage of your home. You don't include shared spaces like kitchen/bathroom in the rental portion unless they're exclusively for her use. So if your niece's bedroom is 150 sq ft and your total home is 1,500 sq ft, that's 10% (150/1,500). You'd then apply this 10% to expenses like mortgage interest, property taxes, homeowner's insurance, utilities, and general maintenance. Regarding utilities, you don't need to track the actual increase - just apply your calculated percentage to your total utility bills for the year. The IRS expects this approach rather than trying to measure actual usage differences. Keep good records of all your home-related expenses and the square footage calculation in case you need to justify it later. Since you're charging below market rate to family, remember that your deductions will likely be capped at your rental income ($3,600 for the year at $300/month), so you won't be able to claim a loss that offsets other income.
Giovanni Gallo
Quick tip - be careful about state taxes too! The federal kiddie tax rules are one thing, but some states handle taxation of minor's investment income differently. I found this out the hard way last year when I handled everything correctly for federal but completely missed the state-specific forms.
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Fatima Al-Mazrouei
ā¢Which state was this in? I'm in California and now I'm worried I've been doing this wrong too!
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Brandon Parker
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my 16-year-old's custodial account. One thing I learned from my CPA is that you can also consider using I Bonds (Series I Savings Bonds) for part of your kids' investments. The interest on I Bonds isn't taxed until you cash them out, which means you can potentially defer all the tax consequences until after they turn 24 and are no longer subject to kiddie tax rules. The downside is that I Bonds are limited to $10,000 per person per year and have lower potential returns than stocks, but for the portion of their money that you want to be more conservative with anyway, it's a nice way to avoid the annual kiddie tax hassle entirely. Just another option to consider alongside the growth stock strategy that Amara mentioned!
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