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Quick question for anyone who's dealt with this: does the 5-year rule affect Form 8606 for Roth contribution withdrawals? I've had my Roth for only 3 years but I'm withdrawing some contributions this year.
No, the 5-year rule doesn't affect original contribution withdrawals, only earnings or converted amounts. You can withdraw your original Roth IRA contributions at any time without tax or penalty, regardless of how long the account has been open. You'll still need Form 8606 to document that you're withdrawing contributions rather than earnings, but the 5-year rule doesn't apply to contribution withdrawals.
I went through this exact scenario last year and can confirm - you absolutely need Form 8606 for early Roth contribution withdrawals. The confusion comes from the fact that many brokerages give incomplete advice about this. Here's what I learned: Your 1099-R will show the distribution happened, but it doesn't tell the whole story about WHETHER those dollars were contributions vs earnings. Form 8606 is essentially your proof to the IRS that you're withdrawing money you already paid taxes on (your contributions) rather than tax-free growth (earnings). The $4,300 difference you saw in TurboTax is exactly what happened to me too - without the 8606, the software assumes the worst case scenario and treats more of your withdrawal as taxable/penalized. Don't skip this form. I know it seems redundant, but it's your protection against the IRS assuming you withdrew earnings instead of contributions. Better to be over-documented than under-documented with retirement account withdrawals.
Something nobody's mentioned - in Michigan specifically, you still need to file annual statements with the state for LLCs even if they had no activity. It's only $25 per LLC, but if you miss it, Michigan can technically dissolve your LLC and there are penalties for late filing. So while your federal tax situation might be fine as others have said, make sure you're current with Michigan's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) requirements too!
Yep, this happened to me. I ignored the Michigan annual statements for 2 years and ended up with a dissolved LLC plus $100 in penalties to reinstate it. The state stuff is separate from the federal tax situation but still important!
Your accountant is likely being overly cautious or may not be familiar with LLC tax requirements. Based on what the IRS told you directly, you're probably in the clear. Here's why: For single-member LLCs that are "disregarded entities" (the default), they're reported on your personal tax return via Schedule C. If there was no activity, you'd report zero income and zero expenses. The penalties your accountant mentioned ($295/month per LLC) sound like they're referencing partnership return penalties (Form 1065), but those only apply if you elected to be taxed as a partnership. Since you never received penalty notices and the IRS confirmed you don't owe anything for the LLC without an EIN, I'd trust their word over your personal tax preparer who admittedly only does individual returns. My recommendation: If you're not planning to use these LLCs, properly dissolve them with Michigan and file final "zero activity" returns to close them out with the IRS. This prevents any future confusion. Don't pay $7,080 in penalties without getting a second opinion from someone who specializes in business taxes - that amount seems completely disproportionate for dormant entities that never operated.
I use a "purchase record form" for exactly this situation. I created a simple template that has spaces for date, item description, amount paid, business purpose, seller info, and how I paid. I also attach a photo of the item in use for my business. Been doing this for 3 years with no issues.
That form idea sounds perfect! Would you be willing to share your template or point me to where I could find something similar? I think that would really help me get organized with these kinds of purchases going forward.
I'd be happy to share! I keep it really simple - just a basic Word document with fields for: ⢠Date of purchase ⢠Item description (desk, chair, filing cabinet, etc.) ⢠Amount paid ($650 in your case) ⢠Payment method (cash, check, etc.) ⢠Seller information (name/contact if available) ⢠Business purpose (home office setup for consulting business) ⢠Supporting evidence (screenshots of messages, photos, bank withdrawal records) I print it out, fill it by hand, and scan it back in to keep with my digital records. The key is doing it as close to the purchase date as possible so it's "contemporaneous." For your Facebook Marketplace purchase, this would work perfectly since you have those messages and photos already. You can find similar templates by searching "business expense documentation form" or "receipt substitute form" online. The IRS doesn't require any specific format - they just want to see that you made a good faith effort to document legitimate business expenses.
Make sure you're keeping a detailed spreadsheet of all transactions! I had a similar issue with my eBay 1099-K last year and got audited because my deductions seemed high compared to my reported income. I had to prove every single purchase with receipts. Screenshots of your StubHub purchase history won't be enough if you get audited - you need actual receipts or credit card statements showing what you paid for each ticket.
What kind of organization system did you use? I've got hundreds of ticket transactions and I'm not sure how to best organize everything in case of an audit.
I use a Google Sheets template with columns for: Date, Event, Purchase Price, Purchase Receipt/Confirmation #, Sale Price, Sale Date, StubHub Fees, Net Profit/Loss. Then I have a separate folder in Google Drive where I store PDFs of all my receipts and confirmation emails, named with the same confirmation numbers from my spreadsheet. The key is matching each purchase to its corresponding sale so you can prove your cost basis. I also keep a running total at the bottom that should match my 1099-K minus fees. Takes a bit of time to set up initially, but it's saved me so much stress during tax season!
I went through this exact same situation with my concert ticket reselling last year! The panic is totally understandable when you see that 1099-K amount, but you're definitely on the right track thinking about deductions. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're treating this as a business from the start. Since you're already making regular sales and have business expenses, the IRS will likely view this as a business activity rather than occasional personal sales. This means Schedule C is probably the right approach. A few practical tips: Start organizing your records NOW while it's still fresh. Create a simple spreadsheet matching each ticket purchase to its sale - this will be crucial if you ever get audited. Also, don't forget about the StubHub seller fees that get deducted from your payouts - those are deductible business expenses too. For TurboTax, look for the "Business Income and Expenses" section and select Schedule C. It will walk you through entering your 1099-K income and then guide you through the expense categories. Your ticket costs go under "Cost of goods sold" and things like gas, fees, and subscriptions go under regular business expenses. You've got this! The key is just being thorough with your documentation.
This is such helpful advice! I'm just getting started with ticket reselling myself and hadn't thought about treating it as a business from day one. Quick question - when you mention matching each purchase to its sale, what do you do if you bought tickets in bulk (like season tickets) but sold them individually throughout the year? Do you need to calculate a per-ticket cost basis for each individual sale? Also, did you end up having to make quarterly estimated tax payments once you established this as a business? I'm worried about getting hit with penalties if I don't plan ahead properly.
Nia Watson
I just went through this exact situation! Tax Topic 201 appeared on my WMR after filing an amended return. It turned out I had a very small state tax debt from 2019 that I didn't even know about. The IRS took that portion and sent me the rest. The whole process took about 5 weeks from when I first saw the code until I received the remaining refund. Much faster than I expected!
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Sebastian Scott
I understand your frustration with Tax Topic 201 - it's definitely stressful when you're already waiting on a refund! From what others have shared here, this code typically indicates a potential Treasury Offset Program situation where they might apply part of your refund to outstanding federal or state debts. Since you filed an amended return, there's a good chance this is just a precautionary flag while they process both your original and amended returns. I'd recommend calling the Treasury Offset Program hotline at 800-304-3107 to check if you have any debts that could affect your refund. Even if there is an offset, you should still receive any remaining balance. Keep in mind amended returns can take 16+ weeks to process even without complications, so try to have a backup plan just in case. Hope this helps ease some of the worry!
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Natasha Volkova
ā¢This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and didn't know about that Treasury Offset hotline. Quick question though - if they do find an offset, do you know if there's any way to dispute it if you think the debt isn't valid? I've heard horror stories about people having their refunds taken for debts that weren't actually theirs.
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