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Paolo Rizzo

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I've been following this thread closely because I'm dealing with a very similar situation, and I wanted to add some important information that might help everyone here. I just got off the phone with an IRS agent (after using that Claimyr service someone mentioned - it actually works!), and she explained something crucial about these 105c letters that I hadn't seen mentioned yet. According to the agent, there's been a systematic issue with their computer system flagging legitimate refund claims as expired due to a glitch in how it calculates dates when returns are filed close to the deadline. She said they've been getting a lot of appeals on 105c letters from 2018-2019 returns that were actually filed on time. The key thing she told me is that when you file your Form 12203 appeal, you should specifically request that they pull your "master file transcript" (not just the regular account transcript) because it shows more detailed processing information including the exact time stamps of when documents were received versus processed. She also mentioned that if your regular transcript shows the correct received date (like Sofia's does), the appeals office has been instructing agents to expedite these cases because it's clear evidence of a system error rather than a legitimate late filing. This gives me a lot more confidence that these appeals will be successful for those of us with proper documentation. It sounds like the IRS is aware this is their mistake, not ours.

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This is incredibly valuable information, Paolo! Thank you for sharing what you learned from speaking directly with an IRS agent. The fact that there's a known systematic issue with their computer system flagging legitimate claims really explains why so many people are suddenly getting these 105c letters for returns that were clearly filed on time. Your point about requesting the "master file transcript" specifically is something I hadn't heard before - that could be the key difference in getting these appeals resolved quickly. It makes sense that more detailed timestamps would show exactly when the IRS received documents versus when they got around to processing them. It's both frustrating and relieving to know this is a widespread system error on their end. Frustrating because it's causing so much stress for taxpayers who did everything right, but relieving because it means there's a clear path to getting it fixed. I'm definitely going to mention this systematic issue and specifically request the master file transcript when I file my appeal. Did the agent give you any sense of how long the expedited process takes for cases with clear documentation like this?

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Reading through all these experiences is both terrifying and reassuring! I'm a newcomer here but dealing with the exact same nightmare - just received a 105c letter for my 2019 return that I know I filed on time. What's really helpful is seeing the pattern emerge from everyone's stories. It seems like there are three key pieces of evidence that are making these appeals successful: 1. The IRS transcript showing the correct received date (contradicting their own 105c letter) 2. Mailing receipts/certified mail proof showing timely filing 3. The systematic computer glitch Paolo mentioned that's been flagging legitimate claims I'm going to request both my regular transcript AND the master file transcript Paolo mentioned, since that seems to have the more detailed timestamps. The fact that IRS agents are aware this is a system error and are expediting these cases gives me hope. One question for those who've been through the appeals process - when you cite IRC Section 7502 (timely mailed = timely filed) and IRC Section 6511(a) in your Form 12203, did you include the actual text of those code sections or just reference them? I want to make sure I'm being thorough but not overwhelming the appeals officer with too much information. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and advice. This thread has been a lifeline during what was starting to feel like a hopeless situation!

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This might sound strange, but check if they're using calendar days or business days in their internal systems. I had an issue where the IRS website listed a deadline as May 17, but they were actually counting business days, not calendar days because of a weekend and holiday adjustment. Their system rejected my filing even though I met the published deadline. I had to talk to three different IRS agents before finding one who understood the discrepancy. The whole situation was infuriating, but they eventually corrected it.

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Yara Nassar

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Good point! The IRS sometimes shifts deadlines and doesn't clearly communicate whether they're talking about the filing date or processing date. In tax law, there are actually different types of deadlines and "timely filing" rules depending on what section of the code applies.

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I work as a tax preparer and see this exact scenario frequently. The confusion often comes from the IRS having different deadline rules for different types of filings, but not clearly distinguishing them on their main website pages. For 2018 tax returns filed to claim refunds, the actual deadline was typically 3 years from the original due date (April 15, 2019), which would make it April 15, 2022 - not April 18th. The April 18th date you saw was likely for regular 2021 tax filings (since April 15, 2022 fell on a Friday and Patriots Day was observed). The IRS website sometimes displays multiple deadline dates on the same page without clearly separating which applies to what type of filing. This creates exactly the situation you're experiencing. Since you have screenshots proving the website displayed April 18th as the deadline for your specific situation, and they confirmed receipt on that date, you definitely have grounds for appeal. File Form 843 and include all your documentation - the website screenshots are crucial evidence that their own published guidance led to this confusion.

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This is incredibly helpful - I think you've identified exactly what happened! Looking back at the screenshots I took, the page did have multiple dates listed and I probably misread which one applied to my situation. The fact that a tax professional has seen this exact confusion before makes me feel less crazy about the whole thing. I'm definitely going to file the Form 843 with all my documentation like you suggested. Do you think I should mention in my appeal that their website layout contributed to the confusion, or just focus on the fact that I reasonably relied on what appeared to be the published deadline for my situation? I want to make sure I frame this correctly to have the best chance of success.

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This is really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation - we filed our 1120 and Form 5472 about 6 weeks late due to a change in accounting firms, and just received our penalty notice for $20,000. Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like I have a decent shot at First Time Abatement since we've been filing on time for the past 4 years. I'm going to try the formal letter approach first, making sure to include our compliance history documentation and reference the IRM section that Brianna mentioned. One quick question - for those who were successful with FTA, did you wait for the penalty to be formally assessed before requesting abatement, or did you submit the request as soon as you received the penalty notice? I'm wondering if timing affects the success rate at all.

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Great question about timing! From what I've seen, you definitely want to submit your FTA request as soon as you receive the penalty notice - don't wait for it to be "formally assessed" because the notice IS the formal assessment for Form 5472 penalties. The sooner you respond, the better, since it shows you're being proactive about resolving the issue. Also, with only 6 weeks late and a solid 4-year compliance history, you're in a really strong position for FTA. Make sure to emphasize in your letter that you've implemented new procedures with your accounting firm to prevent this from happening again. That forward-looking approach seems to help with these requests. Good luck!

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I went through this exact situation last year and successfully got our Form 5472 penalties completely abated using First Time Abatement. Here's what worked for us: 1. **Act quickly** - Don't wait. The penalties continue to accrue monthly, so file your late returns immediately if you haven't already. 2. **Document everything** - Gather proof of your clean 3-year compliance history. We included copies of our previous years' filing confirmations and IRS transcripts showing timely filings. 3. **Write a detailed letter** - Reference IRM 20.1.1.3.3.2.1 specifically. Explain the circumstances that led to the late filing, emphasize it's your first offense, and detail the steps you've taken to prevent future occurrences. 4. **Be persistent** - Our first request was denied with a generic response. We appealed with additional documentation and got full abatement on the second try. The key thing to understand is that Form 5472 penalties are harsh but FTA still applies if you meet the criteria. With 6 years of clean history, you're in a strong position. Don't let your accounting firm's hesitation discourage you - many CPAs aren't familiar with how FTA applies to international reporting penalties. Total time from first request to full abatement was about 12 weeks. The $25,000 we saved was definitely worth the effort!

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CosmicCadet

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for laying out the step-by-step process! I'm curious about your appeal process since our situation sounds very similar. When you say your first request was denied with a "generic response," what exactly did that look like? Did they give you a specific reason for denial or just say it didn't qualify for FTA? Also, what additional documentation did you include in your successful appeal? I want to make sure I have everything ready in case we need to go that route. The fact that you got full abatement on $25,000 gives me a lot of hope for our case!

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Rosie Harper

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FYI, I learned the hard way that even if you're exempt from self-employment tax due to a totalization agreement, you still need to file Form 8966 to claim the exemption. Don't just not file - that's what triggered an audit for me.

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I think you mean Form 8833 for treaty-based positions? I've had to file those for my Canadian self-employment situation. Form 8966 is for FATCA reporting by financial institutions.

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I want to add some perspective as someone who went through a similar situation. The key thing to understand is that your situation might not be as dire as it seems, especially given your income levels. First, definitely look into the US-Germany totalization agreement that others mentioned. If you're contributing to the German social security system through your freelance work, you may be completely exempt from US self-employment tax. You'll need to get a certificate of coverage from Germany proving you're in their system. Second, with income around $380-400 monthly, you're right at the $400 annual threshold for self-employment tax. If your net income (after legitimate business expenses like software, equipment, home office deduction, etc.) falls below $400 in any given year, you won't owe SE tax for that year. For catching up on unfiled returns, consider the IRS Voluntary Disclosure Program if you qualify - it can help reduce penalties. Also, first-time penalty abatement is available if you have a clean compliance history. Don't panic - thousands of expat freelancers deal with this exact situation. The important thing is you're addressing it now rather than continuing to ignore it. Document everything, keep good records of your German tax payments and social security contributions, and consider getting professional help for the initial catch-up filing to make sure you're claiming all available exemptions and credits.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm also a US citizen living abroad (in the Netherlands) and just starting to realize I might have some filing obligations I wasn't aware of. The point about the $400 threshold is particularly interesting - I had no idea there was a minimum for self-employment tax. Quick question though - when you mention the home office deduction, does that apply even if I'm living abroad? I work from my apartment here in Amsterdam, but I wasn't sure if US deductions work the same way for expats. Also, do you know if the totalization agreement process is similar between Netherlands and US, or does each country have different requirements for getting that certificate of coverage?

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Natalie Wang

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Think of the IRS processing system like a crowded highway during rush hour. Your 2/23 return is like a car that entered the highway at a particularly busy on-ramp. Some cars (returns) filed earlier or later might move through faster because they hit less congestion at their particular entry point. I filed and was accepted on 2/24, just a day after you, and my transcript updated Saturday night with a DDD of 3/20. The seemingly random nature of processing is concerning because you never know if you're just in normal traffic or if there's an actual problem with your return that needs attention.

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Filed and accepted 2/23 as well, and I'm seeing the same frustrating lack of updates. What's particularly annoying is that my friend filed on 2/25 (two days AFTER me) and got her DDD yesterday for 3/22. Meanwhile, I'm still checking WMR daily and getting the generic "your return is being processed" message. I've checked my transcript multiple times - no cycle codes, no TC codes, nothing. It's like my return disappeared into a black hole. The inconsistency in processing times this year is really concerning. Some people are getting their refunds in 10-14 days while others of us are stuck in limbo well past the 21-day mark with no explanation.

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