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Help with Schedule C for aircraft leasebacks - filing questions for my aviation business

I'm down to the wire here and need some quick advice. I filed an extension earlier this year to get more familiar with tax laws and find a CPA, but got completely sidetracked. With only 2 days left to file, I'm planning to submit something reasonably accurate, pay whatever I owe, then have a CPA file an amended return later (I'm stuck in training for another week - realized how screwed I was when my calendar reminder popped up today). My situation: I work as an aviation mechanic, but I also have a single-member LLC that owns an aircraft. The aircraft is on a marketing agreement with a local flying club. I also do maintenance work for this club, including on my own aircraft (though I don't take any labor pay when working on my own plane). The flying club handles all the money with customers and vendors, then reconciles with my LLC. I've documented well over 500 invested hours furthering my business, so I'm confident this won't be classified as a hobby. I know I'll owe taxes on payments received from the club, but I'm confused about several aspects of Schedule C. This is my first time filling it out without help, and there's very little tax info specific to aviation businesses. My main questions: 1. What business code should I use? Nothing seems to fit perfectly, so I'm wondering if I should just use 99999? 2. For depreciation purposes, what type of asset would an aircraft on a leaseback arrangement be considered? Any guidance would be hugely appreciated before the filing deadline hits!

Liam Duke

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Quick question - is ur aircraft a single engine or multi? I'm looking at buying a Piper Seminole to put on leaseback with a flight school and wondering what kind of depreciation schedule to expect. Also what state are u in? I heard some states have personal property tax on aircraft that can really add up!

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Manny Lark

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Not OP, but I have a Seminole on leaseback in Florida. Multi-engine aircraft typically follow the same 5-year MACRS depreciation schedule, but your operating costs will be substantially higher than a single engine. The real question is whether you'll generate enough rental income to offset the higher costs of operating a twin. For a Seminole, you're looking at roughly $280-350/hr rental rate depending on your market, but your insurance will be significantly higher than a single engine aircraft. As for state taxes, Florida doesn't have personal property tax on aircraft, but many states do. I know California, Texas, and Georgia all have some form of property tax on aircraft that can run 1-2% of the value annually.

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KylieRose

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact same situation last year with my Cessna 172 on leaseback. A few quick tips since you're down to the wire: 1. Definitely use business code 532400 as mentioned earlier - that's exactly what I used and it worked perfectly. 2. For your depreciation, since the aircraft was purchased last year, make sure you're claiming the right bonus depreciation rate. If it was placed in service in 2023, you can take 80% bonus depreciation which is a huge tax advantage. 3. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're properly allocating expenses between your maintenance work for the club vs. your aircraft ownership. The IRS will want to see clear separation between these two income streams on your Schedule C. 4. Don't forget about Form 4562 for depreciation - it's required when you have assets like aircraft. Since you mentioned having good documentation of your 500+ business hours, that should help establish this as a legitimate business rather than a hobby. Just make sure you have receipts for all your deductible expenses ready in case of questions later. Good luck with the filing! Even if it's not perfect, getting something reasonable submitted and then amending later with a CPA is a solid plan.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to aircraft ownership and considering a similar leaseback arrangement. Quick question - when you mention separating the maintenance work income from aircraft ownership income, do you file two separate Schedule C forms or just use different line items on the same form? Also, how do you handle situations where you're doing maintenance on your own aircraft that's generating rental income - does that create any weird circular accounting issues?

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the IRS is such a mess this year fr

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Amara Okafor

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when are they not tho 🤣

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Miguel Silva

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Cycle 04 squad! šŸ™Œ I'm in the same boat - just saw my transcript update this morning too. From what I've seen, Thursday morning is when we usually get the DDD. The anticipation is killing me but at least we're moving forward! Good luck everyone! šŸ¤ž

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NebulaNomad

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Same here! Just checked my transcript this morning and finally saw some movement after weeks of nothing šŸ˜… It's crazy how we're all going through this together. The waiting game is brutal but at least cycle 04 seems to move pretty fast once it gets going. Hoping we all get those DDDs tomorrow! šŸ¤ž

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Shelby Bauman

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Just wanted to add one more important detail that I learned the hard way - make sure you understand what qualifies as a "first-time homebuyer" for IRS purposes. It's not just about never owning a home before. You (and your spouse if married) must not have owned a principal residence during the 2-year period ending on the date you acquire your new home. So if you owned a home 18 months ago, you wouldn't qualify yet. Also, the $10,000 is a lifetime limit per person, so if you're married, you and your spouse can each use up to $10,000 from your respective IRAs for a total of $20,000. But if you're single, you're stuck with the $10,000 limit across all your accounts combined. Make sure to keep detailed records of everything - when you withdrew the money, what you used it for, and proof that you meet the first-time homebuyer requirements. The IRS can be pretty strict about documentation if they audit you later.

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This is really helpful clarification! I had no idea about the 2-year rule - I was thinking "first-time" just meant never owned before. So if someone sold their house 3 years ago, they'd still qualify as a "first-time" buyer for this exemption? That's actually pretty generous of the IRS. The married couples getting $20K total ($10K each) is interesting too. Does that mean each spouse needs their own IRA to get the full benefit, or can one spouse withdraw $20K from their single account if the other spouse doesn't have retirement savings? Thanks for emphasizing the documentation part - I've heard IRS audits on retirement withdrawals can be brutal if you don't have your paperwork in order.

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Important clarification about married couples and the $20K limit! Each spouse can only withdraw up to $10,000 from their own IRA accounts - you can't have one spouse withdraw $20K from their single account just because they're married. The benefit only applies if both spouses have their own retirement accounts. So if you're married and only one of you has an IRA, you're still limited to $10,000 total for the first-time homebuyer exemption. Both spouses need to have their own IRA accounts to get the full $20,000 benefit ($10K from each person's accounts). Also worth noting that the "qualified acquisition costs" this money can be used for include more than just the down payment - you can use it for closing costs, financing fees, and other expenses related to buying or building the home. Just make sure to keep receipts for everything since the IRS may ask for documentation later.

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Thanks for that clarification about married couples! That makes total sense - each person can only access their own retirement accounts. I was getting my hopes up thinking we could double-dip from one account. The expanded definition of "qualified acquisition costs" is really useful to know. I was only thinking about the down payment, but knowing I can use it for closing costs and financing fees gives me more flexibility in planning my withdrawal strategy. Those closing costs can really add up - sometimes 2-3% of the home price. One follow-up question: do these qualified costs have to be paid directly from the IRA withdrawal, or can I withdraw the money, deposit it in my regular account, and then use those funds mixed with other money for the purchase? I'm wondering about the paper trail requirements for an audit.

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Zainab Omar

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A tip from someone who's been doing this for years: You can adjust your W-4 to have ADDITIONAL withholding rather than messing with deductions. On the new W-4, there's a line for additional withholding. You can put a NEGATIVE number there (like -$50) and your employer's system might process it, resulting in less withholding without claiming fake deductions. Some payroll systems catch this, but many don't.

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Ummm isn't that actually illegal though? Putting a negative number when the form clearly asks for additional withholding seems like fraud to me.

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@Connor Gallagher is absolutely right - putting a negative number on the additional withholding line is definitely not something you should do. That s'essentially falsifying a tax form, which could get you in serious trouble with the IRS. The legitimate way to reduce withholding is to adjust the other sections of the W-4 properly - like claiming dependents you re'entitled to, accounting for deductions you ll'actually take, or using the multiple jobs worksheet if applicable. The tools mentioned earlier in this thread like taxr.ai can help you figure out the right approach without resorting to questionable tactics. Remember, the IRS has seen every trick in the book. It s'always better to stay above board and work within the system rather than risk penalties or worse.

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Lucy Lam

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For professional guidance, I'd recommend starting with a CPA (Certified Public Accountant) rather than a tax attorney. CPAs are perfect for tax planning strategies like optimizing your W-4 withholding, and they're generally more affordable than attorneys. Tax attorneys are typically needed for more serious issues like tax disputes, audits, or complex legal matters. A good CPA can help you calculate exactly how much you can reduce your withholding while staying within the safe harbor rules. They can also help you set up a system to save the extra money from each paycheck so you're prepared for tax time. One thing to consider: if your income varies significantly from year to year, the safe harbor calculation based on last year's taxes might not work as well. In that case, you'd want to base your withholding on 90% of this year's expected tax liability, which requires more careful planning. Also, don't forget that some states have their own underwithholding penalties separate from federal taxes, so make sure you account for state taxes in your calculations too.

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Mei Wong

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This is really helpful advice about going with a CPA first! I'm actually in a situation where my income does vary quite a bit year to year (freelance work), so the 90% of current year approach sounds like what I'd need to use. Do you happen to know how often you can update your W-4 with your employer? Like if I start the year with one withholding amount but realize halfway through that my income is tracking higher or lower than expected, can I submit a new W-4 to adjust? Also, when you mention state underwithholding penalties - do most states follow similar rules to the federal safe harbor provisions, or is it completely different calculations for each state?

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Owen Jenkins

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It depends on your bank and sometimes the time of day the IRS sends it. Chase usually posts overnight, so probably tomorrow morning. But I've seen some people get it same day if the IRS sends it early enough. Either way, you're in the home stretch! If you check your Chase app regularly you might see it pending before it posts.

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Zara Perez

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Thanks! Been refreshing the app all day lol. Nothing pending yet but I'll keep checking!

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Omar Zaki

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I've been through this exact same situation with Chase! When your transcript shows a DDD (direct deposit date) for today, it means the IRS has officially processed and sent your refund to Chase. In my experience with Chase, they typically post these deposits overnight between 2-4 AM the next business day. So if your DDD is today (3/12), you'll most likely see it in your account tomorrow morning (3/13). I always set my alarm early on refund day because there's nothing quite like waking up to see that deposit hit! The waiting is torture but you're literally hours away from getting your money. Chase is pretty reliable with posting IRS refunds quickly once they receive them.

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