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Can anyone check if my Forms 8606 and 5327 for 2023 are correctly filled out for my 2022 Roth IRA recharacterization?

I've been pulling my hair out trying to get this situation entered correctly into tax software, and I'm hoping someone can check if I did it right. **The Situation** In 2022, my income unexpectedly went over the Roth IRA limit. So in January 2023, I had to recharacterize about $390 of my Roth contribution and basically do a backdoor Roth conversion. Got some great advice here last year! Then in 2023, I did a standard backdoor Roth conversion of $8,500 (no gains before conversion). Now for my 2023 taxes, I have two 1099-Rs from my Roth provider: - 1099-R #1: $9,058.00 - 1099-R #2: $390.00 - Total: $9,448.00 **2022 Form 5329** - Line 24 (Total excess contributions): $390 - Line 25 (Additional tax): $23 **2022 Form 8606** - Line 16 (net converted from traditional IRAs to Roth IRAs): $390 - Line 17 (basis in amount on line 16): $390 - Line 18 (Taxable amount): $0 **2023 Form 5329** - Line 22 (Prior year excess contributions): $390 - Line 24 (Total excess contributions): $390 - Line 25 (Additional tax): $23 **2023 Form 8606** - Line 16 (amount converted from traditional IRAs to Roths): $9,448 - Line 17 (basis in amount on line 16): $9,448 - Line 18 (Taxable amount): $0 - Line 25c (Taxable amount to include on Form 1040): $0 I'm confused about the $9,058 1099-R, but I think the math is: 1. Amount recharacterized from 2022: $390 2. Amount from standard backdoor conversion in 2023: $8,500 3. And line 25 ($23) of my 2023 Form 5329 is the additional tax from 2022. I had to do some weird workarounds in both cash app and TurboTax, but I think this is correct? Also, why am I paying this $23 tax again? Do I need to take additional steps with my Roth to finally close this out?

Tami Morgan

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Question for people who've dealt with this: Does tax software automatically handle these forms correctly or do we need to manually override things? I'm using H&R Block software and it seems confused by my recharacterization.

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Rami Samuels

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In my experience, NO tax software handles Roth recharacterizations correctly, especially when they span multiple tax years. I had to manually override several fields in TurboTax last year. The biggest issue is that the tax software interview questions don't properly distinguish between recharacterization vs conversion, and they don't track your basis correctly across tax years. I'd strongly recommend either getting professional help or at minimum running your completed forms by a tool that specializes in these situations before filing.

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Tami Morgan

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Thank you! That's really helpful. I think I'll have to do some manual overrides then. I was worried I was doing something wrong but it sounds like the software itself just doesn't handle these complex situations well.

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Carmen Diaz

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Based on your forms and the discussion here, it looks like you're on the right track but there's one key step missing to stop that $23 penalty cycle. Your Form 8606 entries look correct - you're properly reporting the $9,448 total conversion amount with full basis, so no additional taxable income. The two 1099-Rs make sense: $390 from your 2022 recharacterization done in 2023, and $9,058 from your regular 2023 backdoor conversion. The ongoing $23 penalty on Form 5329 is happening because the IRS still considers you to have an "unused" excess contribution of $390 from 2022. Recharacterization moved the money from Roth to traditional (then back to Roth via conversion), but didn't eliminate the excess contribution itself. To stop the penalty for 2024 and beyond, you need to "apply" that $390 excess to a future year's contribution. The easiest way is to contribute $390 less to your Roth IRA in 2024. So if the limit is $7,000 for 2024, only contribute $6,610. This effectively uses up your excess contribution and should eliminate the penalty going forward. On your 2024 Form 5329, you'll report the prior year excess of $390 on line 22, but then show it as "applied to current year" which should zero out the penalty calculation. The math all checks out otherwise - you've handled a complex situation pretty well!

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Has anyone mentioned Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) yet? Depending on when the original account owner died and the relationship between them, your aunt might be required to withdraw a certain amount each year according to specific schedules. The SECURE Act changed a lot of these rules in 2020. For most non-spouse beneficiaries who inherited after 2019, there's now a 10-year rule requiring the account to be fully distributed within 10 years of the original owner's death.

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Omar Farouk

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The 10-year rule doesn't apply the same way to all inherited accounts though. If the original owner had already started RMDs, the beneficiary might need to continue taking annual distributions AND empty the account within 10 years. It got even more complicated with the SECURE 2.0 Act.

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This is a complex situation that really highlights how inherited retirement accounts can create unexpected tax burdens for people who are already struggling financially. A few additional considerations for your aunt: Since she's living on such limited income, she might qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit or other low-income tax credits that could help offset some of the tax liability from the IRA withdrawal. Also, if she needs to make additional withdrawals for basic living expenses, she should consider timing them strategically - maybe spreading them across tax years to minimize the impact on her Social Security taxation. Given that this is a "2nd generation" inherited IRA, the distribution rules are likely quite specific and time-sensitive. The brokerage firm should provide her with a clear explanation of her required distribution schedule in writing. If they can't or won't, that's definitely a red flag that she needs to seek help elsewhere. One more thing - make sure she keeps all documentation related to this inheritance and any withdrawals. The stepped-up basis rules for inherited assets can be tricky, and having proper records will be crucial for accurate tax filing.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about the tax credits! I had no idea about the Earned Income Tax Credit potentially applying to her situation. Quick question though - since she's 62 and her only other income is Social Security, would she even qualify for EITC? I thought that was mainly for working people with earned income. Also, when you mention "stepped-up basis," does that apply to inherited IRAs the same way it does to other inherited assets like stocks or real estate?

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Just want to add some encouragement here - you're absolutely doing the right thing by taking care of your nephew! As others have mentioned, single people can definitely claim dependents. One thing I'd suggest is keeping a simple log or calendar marking the days your nephew stays with you. The IRS counts nights spent in your home, so having clear documentation that he's been with you since August (and will be through the end of the tax year) helps establish the "more than half the year" requirement. Also, don't forget about potential education credits if your nephew is in school - the American Opportunity Tax Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit could provide additional tax benefits on top of claiming him as a dependent. Between the Head of Household filing status, the dependent exemption, and education credits, you could see some significant tax savings for doing what's already the right thing for your family! Keep all those receipts for his expenses - they're your proof that you're providing more than half his support.

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This is such helpful advice! I hadn't even thought about education credits - my nephew is in 8th grade so I'm not sure if those apply yet, but it's good to know for the future when he gets to high school and college. The calendar idea is really smart too. I've been keeping receipts but didn't think about documenting the actual nights he stays here. Since it's been pretty much every night since August, that should be easy to track going forward. It really does feel good to know that taking care of family can actually help with taxes instead of just being an extra expense. Thanks for the encouragement - sometimes it feels overwhelming but knowing there are benefits like Head of Household status makes it feel more manageable financially.

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Amara Torres

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who works seasonally preparing taxes - you're absolutely on the right track! Single people can definitely claim dependents, and your situation with your nephew sounds like it meets all the requirements. Since he's been living with you full-time since August and you're covering more than half his expenses, you should qualify for Head of Household status which is a huge tax advantage. The standard deduction difference alone could save you over $1,000 compared to filing single. One tip from my experience: if your nephew is under 17, don't forget about the Child Tax Credit - that's up to $2,000 per qualifying child that can directly reduce your tax liability (and potentially give you a refund even if you don't owe taxes). Since your income is $58,000, you should qualify for the full amount. Also, keep detailed records not just of big expenses like medical bills and school costs, but also everyday things like groceries, clothing, and transportation costs for him. The IRS defines "support" pretty broadly, and all those daily expenses add up to show you're truly providing more than half his total support.

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Caleb Bell

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This is incredibly helpful information! I'm new to all this tax stuff and had no idea about the Child Tax Credit. My nephew is 14, so it sounds like he definitely qualifies for that $2,000 credit. Between that and the Head of Household status, it seems like I might actually get a decent refund instead of owing money like I usually do. I've been keeping receipts for the big stuff but you're right about tracking the everyday expenses too. I never thought about counting groceries and gas for driving him to school activities as "support" but that makes total sense. I should probably start a spreadsheet or something to track all of this better. One question though - when you say the credit can give me a refund even if I don't owe taxes, how does that work exactly? I thought you could only get back what you paid in throughout the year.

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Ethan Scott

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bruh the irs needs to get their act together. like how does this even happen šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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Lola Perez

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ikr? its literally their ONE job šŸ’…

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This is a major red flag! Higher One banks are frequently used in tax refund fraud schemes. Here's what you need to do immediately: 1) Call Wells Fargo fraud department and ask them to explain why this account appeared, 2) Log into your IRS account online and check if your direct deposit info has been changed, 3) Call the IRS Identity Protection Unit at 800-908-4490. Don't wait - these scammers work fast once they've compromised your info. Also freeze your credit reports just to be safe!

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This is super helpful advice! @bf421e3da8c5 thank you for the step-by-step breakdown. I'm new to dealing with tax stuff and this is honestly terrifying. Quick question - when you say "freeze your credit reports" do you mean all three bureaus? And is there a fee for that?

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Protip: sign up for informed delivery with USPS. Sometimes youll see your refund check in the mail before WMR even updates lol

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Jamal Harris

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i did direct deposit tho?

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oh nvm then just keep checking those transcripts šŸ˜…

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Nathan Kim

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Hang in there! I'm cycle 04 too and filed Jan 23rd. From what I've seen in other threads, cycle 04 has been running about 1-2 weeks behind compared to last year. The IRS is definitely processing slower this season. Just keep checking Thursday mornings like @Mei Chen said - that's really the only day that matters for us 04s. The waiting is brutal but we'll get there! šŸ’Ŗ

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Amina Sy

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Thanks for the encouragement @Nathan Kim! It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in this. Filed around the same time as you so hopefully we'll both see movement soon. The waiting game is definitely the worst part of tax season šŸ˜…

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