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Paolo Longo

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Hi everyone! New member here, and this thread has been incredibly enlightening. I'm facing a similar situation with some Apple stock I've held for years that's appreciated significantly. After reading through all the responses, it's clear that trying to structure reciprocal gifts with family members to avoid capital gains would likely run afoul of the step transaction doctrine. The IRS really does look at the substance of what you're trying to accomplish rather than just the technical form. I wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - depending on your state's tax laws, the timing and location of the sale might matter. Some states have no capital gains tax at all, so if you're planning to move or have dual residency options, that could be worth factoring into your decision. Also, for those considering the securities-based lending route that Faith mentioned, I've looked into this with my broker and found that most major firms offer portfolio lending at rates that are often lower than mortgage rates. The loan-to-value ratios are typically 50-70% depending on the volatility of your holdings. It's definitely worth exploring as a legitimate alternative to trying to engineer around the tax code. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and insights - this community is a great resource for navigating these complex situations!

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Welcome to the community, Paolo! Your point about state tax implications is really valuable - I hadn't considered how residency changes could factor into the timing decision. The securities-based lending rates you mentioned (often lower than mortgage rates) make that option even more attractive for someone like the original poster who needs funds for a house down payment. One thing I'm curious about with portfolio lending - do the interest payments on such loans have any tax advantages, or are they treated as investment interest subject to limitations? It seems like if you're borrowing against appreciated positions to avoid a taxable sale, the loan interest treatment becomes an important part of the overall tax calculation. The 50-70% loan-to-value ratios you mentioned seem reasonable for diversified holdings, though I imagine single-stock positions (like the OP's situation) might get lower ratios due to concentration risk. Still, even at 50% LTV, that could provide substantial liquidity without triggering any immediate tax consequences. Thanks for adding the state tax angle - it's a good reminder that tax planning often involves multiple layers of considerations beyond just federal rules!

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this community but have been following this discussion closely as I'm dealing with a similar situation with some concentrated Microsoft positions from my former employer. After reading through all the excellent responses here, it's abundantly clear that the gift swap arrangement you're considering would almost certainly be treated as a step transaction by the IRS. The key insight I'm taking away is that the IRS looks at the economic reality of what you're trying to accomplish - converting appreciated stock to cash without paying capital gains - regardless of how you structure the individual steps. What I find most compelling from this discussion are the legitimate alternatives that have been suggested. The securities-based lending option seems particularly worth exploring for your house down payment scenario. I've been researching this with Schwab, and they offer portfolio lines of credit at surprisingly competitive rates (currently around 7-8% for most positions), with the ability to borrow up to 70% of the value of diversified holdings. The beauty of this approach is that you get immediate liquidity without any taxable event, and if your stocks continue appreciating, you might be able to pay down the loan over time without ever having to sell at today's values. Plus, the interest may be tax-deductible as investment interest expense, though there are limitations to consider. I really appreciate how this community has provided both the "why this won't work" analysis and practical alternatives. Better to find the right path forward than learn the hard way during an audit!

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Isaiah Cross

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Has anyone actually checked if not claiming legit business expenses could trigger an audit? I've always been told that the IRS algorithms flag returns that don't match expected patterns for your industry. Like if most bookkeepers claim around 20-30% expenses but you claim zero, wouldn't that look weird?

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Kiara Greene

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Tax preparer here (not a CPA). The IRS does use a system called the Discriminant Information Function (DIF) that scores returns based on averages for your industry. Extremely low expenses can potentially raise your DIF score, but it's just one of many factors. Generally, understating deductions is less likely to trigger an audit than overstating them, but significant deviations from industry norms in either direction can increase scrutiny.

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Emily Sanjay

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I think you're overcomplicating this. The math is pretty straightforward - you should always claim your legitimate business expenses because of the self-employment tax implications that others have mentioned. Here's why: In your Option 1, you'd have $16,000 in net earnings subject to SE tax (15.3%), which is about $2,448 in SE taxes. In your Option 2, you'd have $20,000 in net earnings subject to SE tax, which is about $3,060 in SE taxes. That's an extra $612 you'd be paying unnecessarily. Plus, your Solo 401k contribution limits are based on your net self-employment earnings anyway, so claiming legitimate expenses doesn't actually hurt your contribution capacity - it just makes your tax situation more accurate and saves you money on SE taxes. The IRS doesn't care if you don't claim every possible deduction, but why would you voluntarily pay more taxes than you legally owe? Take the deductions you're entitled to, pay the correct amount of SE tax, and then contribute what makes sense to your Solo 401k based on your actual net earnings.

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This is exactly the clarity I needed! I was getting caught up in trying to maximize retirement contributions but completely overlooked the self-employment tax difference. That extra $612 in SE taxes basically wipes out any perceived benefit of not claiming expenses. I'm curious though - when you mention that Solo 401k limits are based on net self-employment earnings, does that mean the employer contribution portion (25%) would actually be calculated on the lower amount if I claim my expenses? So with $4k in expenses, I'd be looking at 25% of $16k instead of 25% of $20k for the employer portion?

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2025 EITC/ACTC Refund Schedule: February 19-20 Batches with IRS Updates on February 17

Just got the details from Jackson Hewitt about PATH Act refunds for 2025. According to their website, if you claimed either the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) or Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC), the IRS has to hold the refund until after February 14 due to the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes (PATH) Act - this is to prevent tax fraud. I was looking at their webpage titled "PATH Act Refund Delays: When to Expect" and it breaks down all the key takeaways: "The Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes (PATH) Act requires the IRS to hold refunds for taxpayers who claim the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) or Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) until after February 14, in order to prevent tax fraud. The IRS will update its website and app on February 17, 2025, with refund updates for early filers who claimed the EITC or ACTC. PATH funding will be done in two batches, on February 19 and February 20, 2025. Most of the time, the IRS will fund tax refunds within 21 days, but does not guarantee a certain date. The IRS will lift the PATH Act holding requirement on February 17, 2025, and fund most refunds of taxpayers claiming either the EITC or ACTC by February 28, 2025." They're making it clear that the PATH funding will be released in those 2 specific batches - February 19 and February 20, 2025. The IRS website and app will update with refund info for early filers who claimed EITC or ACTC on February 17, 2025. Jackson Hewitt also mentions: "You don't have to wait for the IRS to get money. File with Jackson Hewitt and apply for a No Fee Tax Refund Advance loan, and you could get money the same day if approved on a prepaid card." They even have a promotion saying "NEW CLIENTS save money on expert tax prep. Starting at $49! Terms apply." If you claim the EITC or ACTC on an early filed return, the IRS puts a hold on your refund for a special review to make sure you report these credits correctly. I know these credits are important for families, but this holding period is frustrating and ridiculous. The webpage acknowledges how important tax refunds are for families. Anyone else stuck waiting on PATH refunds? I understand they need to prevent fraud, but making families wait until late February when many people file in January seems excessive.

Paolo Longo

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This is so helpful! I filed early January with H&R Block and claimed both EITC and ACTC. Been stressing about when I'll actually see my refund. The February 17th update date and Feb 19-20 batch releases give me something concrete to look forward to instead of just "sometime after Feb 14th." Really appreciate you sharing the Jackson Hewitt breakdown - makes it way clearer than the confusing IRS language. Still think it's ridiculous that families have to wait this long when we need the money for bills and expenses, but at least now I know exactly what to expect and when. Gonna mark my calendar for Feb 17th to check WMR!

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StormChaser

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Same here! Filed Jan 23rd and have been refreshing WMR like it's my job šŸ˜… The specific dates really help with planning - at least now I know to stop obsessively checking until Feb 17th. Still frustrated we have to wait so long when rent and groceries don't wait for the IRS, but having that concrete timeline makes the wait a little more bearable.

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Filed January 28th with EITC and been going crazy checking WMR every day! This breakdown is exactly what I needed - finally have real dates instead of just "after February 14th." The February 17th update and Feb 19-20 batch releases give me hope I'll see something soon. It's wild that Jackson Hewitt is advertising same-day advances while families are stuck waiting weeks for their actual refunds. I get the fraud prevention angle but when you're behind on rent and utilities, that extra month feels like forever. At least now I can stop obsessively checking WMR until the 17th and plan accordingly. Thanks for sharing this info!

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I'm a freelance graphic designer and had a similar situation. What I ended up doing was creating a clear distinction between "workspace rental" and personal coffee purchases. I now exclusively work at cafes that offer day passes or coworking memberships rather than just buying individual coffees. My main spot charges $20/day for unlimited wifi, guaranteed seating, and beverages included - this is clearly a business expense for workspace rental. For cafes that don't have formal coworking options, I ask the manager if they can create a receipt that shows "workspace use + beverage" rather than just "coffee." Most are happy to accommodate this since they want regular customers. The key is being able to show the IRS that you're paying for workspace access (deductible) rather than just buying coffee (personal expense). Documentation is everything - keep receipts that clearly show the business purpose of your payment.

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Ben Cooper

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This is really smart advice! I've been struggling with this exact issue as a new freelancer. The "workspace use + beverage" receipt idea is brilliant - it clearly establishes the business purpose. I'm going to talk to my regular cafe about setting up something similar. Do you find that most places are willing to adjust their receipt descriptions like that? I'm a bit nervous about asking, but if it helps with legitimate tax deductions it seems worth the conversation.

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Omar Zaki

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The distinction between workspace rental and personal coffee purchases is really important here. I've found that the safest approach is to treat these as completely separate categories. If you're genuinely using the cafe as a workspace replacement (not just a change of scenery), then you're essentially paying rent for business space. The fact that coffee comes with it doesn't make it a "coffee deduction" - it's a workspace expense that happens to include refreshments. Here's what I've learned works best: 1. Only use cafes that offer formal workspace packages or are willing to document workspace rental 2. Keep detailed records showing WHY you need the workspace (home internet issues, noise problems, etc.) 3. Track your productivity/billable hours from these locations to demonstrate legitimate business use 4. Never mix personal visits with business visits at the same location without clear documentation The IRS really scrutinizes food and beverage deductions, but workspace rental is much more straightforward. As long as you can demonstrate that you're paying for workspace access (not just buying coffee because you like it), you should be in good shape.

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Kai Rivera

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This is excellent advice! The key distinction between "workspace rental" vs "coffee purchase" really clarifies things. I especially appreciate the point about keeping productivity records from these locations - that's something I hadn't thought of but makes total sense for demonstrating legitimate business use. One question: when you mention not mixing personal and business visits, how do you handle situations where you might grab coffee at the same cafe socially on weekends? Do you just avoid those places entirely for personal use, or is there a way to maintain clear separation while still being able to enjoy your favorite spots personally? The documentation aspect seems crucial here. I'm definitely going to start being more systematic about tracking the business necessity rather than just hoping the IRS will understand my reasoning after the fact.

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Quick question - has anyone used TurboTax to file with an EIDL grant? Is there a specific place where you enter this or do you just not include it as income? Don't want to mess this up!

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Yara Haddad

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I used TurboTax last year with an EIDL grant. For federal, I didn't include the grant as income since it's not federally taxable. But I did document it in the "Additional Information" section just to have it on record. For state taxes (I'm in NY), I had to manually add it as "Other Income" following NY state guidance. TurboTax didn't prompt me specifically about EIDL grants - had to know to do this myself.

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Sean Murphy

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Great question! As others have mentioned, the EIDL grant portion is generally not taxable at the federal level under Section 139 of the Internal Revenue Code. However, I want to emphasize something that's been touched on but is really important - make sure you keep detailed records of exactly how you used those grant funds. Even though the grant isn't taxable income, the IRS still wants to see proper documentation if you're ever audited. I'd recommend creating a simple spreadsheet showing the grant amount, the date received, and specifically what business expenses you paid with those funds (rent, utilities, payroll, etc.). Also, since you mentioned you're between accountants, when you do find a new one, make sure they're familiar with EIDL grant treatment. Some preparers who don't deal with small business clients regularly might not be up to speed on the current rules. Good luck with your filing!

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Eva St. Cyr

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This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm dealing with a similar situation and hadn't thought about creating a detailed spreadsheet. One thing I'm wondering about - if you used the EIDL grant funds for multiple different expense categories, do you need to break down the percentage allocation for each category, or is it enough to just list all the expenses that totaled up to the grant amount? Also, did anyone have issues with their new accountant not being familiar with these rules? I'm interviewing a few CPAs and want to make sure I ask the right questions upfront.

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