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Might be worth checking if you qualify for the "First-Year Choice" election (sometimes called the "backdating rule"), which lets certain aliens who meet the substantial presence test in the year following their arrival treat themselves as US residents for part of the prior year.

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But that only applies if they weren't a resident at all in the previous year and then became a resident in the current year through the substantial presence test, right? Since OP got a green card midyear, I don't think it applies in this case.

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Based on your situation, you definitely need to file as a dual-status alien. The green card test makes you a resident from March 12 forward, but it doesn't retroactively cover the beginning of the year. Even though you passed the substantial presence test for the period after getting your green card, that doesn't change your status for January 1 through March 11. For your filing, you'll submit Form 1040 as your main return covering March 12-December 31 (resident period), and attach Form 1040NR as a statement for January 1-March 11 (nonresident period). Write "Dual-Status Return" at the top of both forms. Since all your income is from university employment and you mention being exempt from Social Security/Medicare taxes, make sure your employer is withholding correctly for both periods. Your tax treaty benefits can still apply to the nonresident portion - just remember to file Form 8833 if you're claiming treaty benefits. The dual-status filing might seem complicated, but it ensures you're getting the correct tax treatment for each period of the year. Don't try to simplify by filing as a full-year resident - it could cost you money or create compliance issues.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to this community and dealing with the same green card tax situation. One quick question - when you mention filing Form 8833 for treaty benefits, is that required even if I'm only claiming the standard deduction on the 1040NR portion? My tax treaty allows for the standard deduction but I'm not sure if that counts as a "treaty benefit" that needs to be reported separately. Also, do I need to calculate the income allocation between the two periods based on exact dates, or can I use a reasonable method like monthly proration?

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Diego Chavez

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a new business owner who just got my EIN last month and was completely confused about the S Corp election timeline. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the key factor is when you actually START doing business activities, not just when you get your paperwork filed. For those still figuring this out - it seems like the consensus is that if you haven't opened business bank accounts, made sales, issued stock, or conducted any real business operations, your 2 month + 15 day clock hasn't even started yet. That's such a relief because I was stressing about some arbitrary January 1st or incorporation date deadline. Gabriel, definitely document when you first start any business activities so you have a clear timeline for your Form 2553 filing. And based on what others have shared, even if you do miss the deadline, the IRS seems pretty reasonable about late election relief for new businesses with legitimate reasons. Thanks everyone for sharing your real experiences - this is way more helpful than the confusing official guidance!

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Rami Samuels

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Diego, you're absolutely right about documenting everything! I wish I had known this when I started my business. One thing I'd add is to also keep records of any preparatory activities you do, even if they don't seem like "real" business operations yet. The IRS can be pretty broad in how they interpret "conducting business" - sometimes even things like setting up your business website, ordering business cards, or having initial client meetings can count. So it's good to have a clear record of what you consider your actual "start date" versus just preliminary setup work. Gabriel, if you're still reading this, I'd recommend keeping a simple log of any business-related activities you do going forward. That way if there's ever any question about your S Corp election timeline, you have documentation to back up your position.

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Gabriel, I went through this exact same confusion when I formed my LLC and elected S Corp status! The good news is that based on what you've described, you're likely still within your filing window. The 2 month and 15 day period starts from the earliest of three events: when you begin conducting business, when you acquire assets, or when you issue stock. Simply having your Articles of Incorporation filed doesn't automatically start the clock - it's about when you actually start operating as a business. Since you mentioned you haven't opened business bank accounts or conducted any transactions yet, your deadline period may not have even begun. The key is documenting when you take your first actual business action (opening that business bank account, making your first purchase, issuing stock certificates, etc.). I'd recommend filing Form 2553 as soon as you do start business operations, rather than waiting until near the deadline. And definitely keep detailed records of when you begin each business activity - this documentation will be valuable if the IRS ever questions your timeline. Don't stress too much about this! The IRS understands that new business owners often face confusion about these deadlines, and they're generally reasonable about late election relief if needed. But it sounds like you may not even need that option.

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This is exactly the kind of clarity I needed! I've been losing sleep over this deadline thinking I had already missed my chance. It's such a relief to hear from someone who went through the same situation. I haven't done anything yet beyond getting the Articles and EIN - no bank account, no purchases, no stock issued, nothing. Based on what you and others are saying, it sounds like my clock literally hasn't started ticking yet, which gives me so much more breathing room than I thought. I'm planning to open the business bank account next week, so I'll mark that as my official "start date" and file Form 2553 shortly after. Really appreciate you taking the time to break this down - this thread has been a lifesaver for understanding how this actually works in practice versus the confusing official guidance.

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One thing no one mentioned yet - if you're using the property occasionally for personal use, that complicates things even more. Even a week of personal use can change how expenses need to be allocated. We learned this the hard way when we used our rental for just 10 days ourselves, and it messed up our entire tax calculation.

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Amara Chukwu

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Yeah this happened to me too. Had to divide all expenses proportionally between personal and rental use based on days. Tax software couldn't handle it properly either!

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Paolo Conti

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Your tax preparer's wording was confusing, but they're not technically wrong about the economic effect. The key insight here is that mortgage principal payments aren't deductible expenses, which means more of your rental income remains taxable. Think of it this way: if you collect $2,000 in rent and have a $1,500 mortgage payment ($1,000 principal + $500 interest), you can only deduct the $500 interest portion. So you're effectively paying tax on $1,500 of income instead of $500, making it feel like you're being "taxed on the principal." However, don't forget about depreciation! You can depreciate the building portion of your rental property (not the land) over 27.5 years, which often provides a substantial deduction that helps offset this issue. For a $300,000 rental property where $240,000 is allocated to the building, that's about $8,727 in annual depreciation deductions. Also keep detailed records of all repairs, maintenance, property management fees, insurance, and property taxes - these are all deductible and can significantly reduce your taxable rental income. The principal payments are building equity in your property, which will benefit you when you eventually sell, but they just don't provide current-year tax relief.

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This is exactly the explanation I needed! I was getting so frustrated because our tax preparer made it sound like we were literally paying income tax on money we never received. Your breakdown makes it clear that it's really about what expenses we can and cannot deduct. The depreciation piece is huge - I had no idea we could deduct nearly $9,000 annually on a property like that without any actual cash outlay. That completely changes the math on our rental property investment. Do you happen to know if there are any good resources for calculating the building vs. land allocation correctly? I want to make sure we're maximizing this deduction legally. Also, when you mention keeping records of repairs vs. maintenance, is there a difference in how these are treated tax-wise? We've had some work done but weren't sure how to categorize it.

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ITIN application confusion - received CP565 approval then CP567 rejection for my spouse

I'm in a weird situation with my wife's ITIN application and hoping someone can help me make sense of this. My wife is a nonresident alien and I'm a US citizen, so we applied for her ITIN to file married filing jointly for 2024. We did everything by the book - went through an acceptance facility, got copies of documents properly certified, submitted the W-7 form along with our original tax return and a certified copy of her passport. In late June, we received a CP565 (approval letter) with her assigned ITIN. Great news, right? Then in early July, our 2024 tax return was processed and the IRS deposited our refund directly to our bank account. But now, just a couple weeks later, we received a CP567 (rejection letter) saying they rejected her ITIN application for one of these reasons: - No completed/signed tax return included - She wasn't listed on the tax return - She was listed as a dependent but not claimed for any tax benefit None of these apply to our situation at all! We definitely included a complete tax return where she was listed as my spouse for MFJ filing. The IRS guidance says we need to complete a new W-7, include documentation proving identity and foreign status, send a federal tax return, and include a copy of the rejection notice. I'm completely baffled since they already APPROVED the ITIN, PROCESSED our return using that ITIN, and PAID our refund. Are we good to go despite this rejection letter? Or is something seriously wrong? I've tried calling but the wait times are ridiculous (4+ hours on hold). Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I just wanted to add that when you file next year, you might want to attach a cover letter explaining the situation along with copies of both the CP565 and CP567, plus a printout of your transcript showing the return was processed successfully. This creates a paper trail that will help if anyone questions the ITIN validity in the future. Also, keep in mind that ITINs expire if not used on a tax return for three consecutive years. So make sure to use it consistently, even if you're filing separate returns in some years. I've seen this exact issue at least 5 times with clients - contradiction between approval and rejection. In every case, when the return was processed with the ITIN, that trumped any rejection notice. The IRS systems just don't communicate well between departments.

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Mateo Silva

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Is it true that some ITINs have expiration dates based on when they were issued? I thought I read something about certain ranges of ITINs expiring regardless of use.

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Yes, that's correct! The IRS implemented middle digit expiration rules for ITINs. ITINs with middle digits 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88 have already expired and need to be renewed regardless of use. ITINs with middle digits 90, 91, 92, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99 are set to expire at the end of 2024. You can check if your ITIN needs renewal by looking at the middle two digits. If it falls in those ranges, you'll need to submit Form W-7 with "Renewal" checked, even if you've been using the ITIN regularly. The renewal process is similar to the original application but you only need to prove identity (not foreign status again). This is separate from the "three consecutive years of non-use" expiration rule I mentioned earlier.

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Juan Moreno

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! My husband (also a nonresident alien) got his ITIN approved in May, we filed our return and got our refund processed, then got a rejection notice in June. Reading through all these responses has been so helpful. I checked our transcript online like several people suggested and it clearly shows our return was processed with his ITIN. That seems to be the key evidence that everything is actually fine despite the confusing rejection notice. One thing I learned from our tax preparer is that these contradictory notices are becoming more common as the IRS updates their computer systems. The different departments don't always sync up in real time, which creates these weird situations where you get approved then rejected (or sometimes the reverse). For anyone else in this boat - definitely keep both notices and check your transcript. If your return was processed and refund issued, you're almost certainly good to go. The processing system is what actually matters, not the automated notices.

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Kayla Morgan

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I feel for you - this exact scenario happened to me two years ago and it's absolutely maddening! The disconnect between IRS payment processing and their notice system is a real problem that affects thousands of taxpayers every year. Here's what I learned from my experience: First, absolutely respond to the CP23 in writing even though you've called. Include copies of your payment confirmation, bank statements showing the deduction, and reference your previous calls with dates and any rep ID numbers you got. Send it certified mail to create a paper trail. Second, when you call back (and you'll probably need to call again), ask specifically for a "payment processing tracer" to be initiated on your account. This is different from just having them look up your payment - it's a formal process to track down payments that are stuck in their system. Also request a collection hold while the tracer is active. The most important thing I learned: don't assume this will resolve itself automatically once they find your payment. You'll likely need to follow up to ensure any penalties and interest are properly removed. The IRS rarely reverses these automatically even when the delay was entirely on their end. Document everything, stay persistent, and know that while frustrating, this will eventually get resolved. You paid on time and have proof - that's what matters most.

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Zane Gray

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This is incredibly helpful - I had no idea about the "payment processing tracer" option! That sounds much more official than just having them do a basic lookup. When you requested the tracer, did they give you any kind of timeline or tracking number so you could follow up on its progress? Also, your point about penalties and interest not being automatically reversed is really important. I'm already seeing some penalty charges on my CP23, so I'm definitely going to need to stay on top of requesting abatement once this gets sorted out. It's frustrating that we have to be so proactive about fixing their mistakes, but at least knowing what to ask for gives me some confidence going into my next call with them. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's giving me a much clearer roadmap for how to handle this situation!

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Anna Kerber

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I've been following this thread closely because I'm dealing with a similar CP23 situation, and I wanted to share something that might help others avoid this mess in the future. After going through payment processing delays twice now, I've learned that the method you use to make estimated payments can significantly impact processing time. Electronic payments made through EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System) seem to process more reliably than payments made through third-party processors or even the IRS Direct Pay system. For anyone making future estimated payments, I'd strongly recommend using EFTPS directly and keeping screenshot records of the confirmation page, not just the confirmation number. The screenshot shows the full transaction details that can be incredibly helpful if you need to dispute processing delays later. Also, for those currently dealing with this issue - when you call the IRS, ask specifically if your payment is in their "unpostable" queue. Sometimes payments get stuck there due to mismatched information (like slightly different name formatting or SSN entry errors) and require manual intervention to process. This is different from just being "slow to process" and needs a different type of resolution. The whole system is frustrating, but understanding these technical details can help you ask better questions and get more targeted help from IRS representatives.

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Amina Sow

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This is excellent advice about payment methods! I wish I had known about the EFTPS system before - I made my payment through the regular IRS Direct Pay and that might explain part of my processing issues. The screenshot tip is brilliant too, I only saved the confirmation number which now seems inadequate. Your point about the "unpostable" queue is really intriguing. When I called last week, the rep just said my payment was "still processing" but didn't mention anything about it potentially being stuck in a specific queue. That could explain why it's been sitting there for months without any movement. I'm definitely going to ask about this specifically when I call back. Do you happen to know if there's a way to check EFTPS payment status directly, or do you still have to go through the regular IRS channels for updates? It would be nice to have some visibility into where payments actually stand in their system rather than just getting vague "still processing" responses. Thanks for sharing these technical insights - this kind of detailed information is exactly what we need to navigate their bureaucratic maze more effectively!

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