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NebulaNinja

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Has anyone used TurboTax to claim a large worthless stock loss like this? I'm wondering if the regular version handles this or if I need to upgrade to their premium version. Last time I tried to enter something complicated like this, it kept giving me errors.

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I tried using TurboTax for a similar situation and it was a nightmare. The program kept asking me for information I didn't have and wouldn't let me proceed. I ended up having to use the desktop version of H&R Block software which handled it much better. It had specific fields for worthless securities and inheritance basis.

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I'm sorry to hear about your situation with the First Republic Bank stock. This is unfortunately becoming more common with recent bank failures. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you have proper documentation of the inheritance date and fair market value at that time. Since you inherited this 4 years ago, you'll need records showing the stock's value on the date of your family member's death (or the alternate valuation date if the estate elected that). This becomes your "stepped-up basis" for tax purposes. Also, don't rush to sell immediately. First Republic Bank went through a specific FDIC resolution process when it failed in May 2023, and shareholders typically received nothing. However, you should verify with your broker that there truly are no residual distributions expected before claiming it as completely worthless. If you do need to execute a sale, most brokers can handle transactions in defunct securities - they'll often sell for $0.01 per share or similar. The key is having the transaction recorded properly so you have documentation of the sale for your tax return. Given the size of this loss, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who has experience with worthless securities and inheritance situations. The $417,000+ loss could provide significant tax benefits over many years if handled correctly.

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This is really helpful, especially the point about documentation. I'm realizing I might not have all the paperwork I need from when my family member passed away 4 years ago. How exactly do I find out what the stock was worth on the specific date they died? The estate paperwork I have doesn't seem to have that level of detail about individual stock holdings. Also, you mentioned May 2023 for the First Republic failure - that timing matches what I remember. Is there a specific way I should phrase this on my tax forms to make it clear this was an FDIC bank failure rather than just a regular stock that went down in value? I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly since it's such a large amount.

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Don't forget about foreign tax complications if your ETFs or index funds hold international stocks! My Vanguard VXUS generates foreign taxes that I can claim as either a deduction or credit.

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Is it always better to take it as a credit rather than a deduction? I've seen both options on my tax software.

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Myles Regis

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Generally the credit is better because it's a dollar-for-dollar reduction in your tax liability, while a deduction just reduces your taxable income. However, there's a limit on the foreign tax credit - it can't exceed your US tax liability on the foreign income. For most people with international ETFs, the credit amount is small enough that you'd take the full credit. But if you're in a very low tax bracket, sometimes the deduction might work out better. Your tax software should calculate both and recommend the better option for your situation.

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Great question! I was confused about this exact same thing when I started investing. Yes, you absolutely still owe taxes on those reinvested dividends - the IRS treats them as if you received the cash and then immediately used it to buy more shares. Since you mentioned you're holding VTI and VXUS, most of those dividends will likely be "qualified dividends" which get the favorable capital gains tax treatment (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income level) rather than being taxed as ordinary income. Your brokerage will send you a 1099-DIV that breaks down qualified vs. non-qualified dividends. One silver lining - those reinvested dividends do increase your cost basis in the funds, so when you eventually sell, you'll have less capital gains to pay taxes on since your purchase price will include all those reinvestments you already paid taxes on. $780 in dividends isn't too bad for your first year! Just make sure to save some cash for the tax bill if you haven't been setting aside money for taxes on your investment gains.

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This is super helpful! I'm also new to investing and had no idea about the cost basis thing. So basically every time dividends get reinvested, it's like I'm buying more shares at that day's price, and that becomes my new cost basis for those specific shares? That actually makes me feel better about paying taxes on dividends I never see in cash - at least it's helping reduce future taxes when I sell. Quick follow-up question - when you say "save some cash for the tax bill," roughly what percentage should I expect to pay on qualified dividends? I'm probably in the 22% tax bracket for regular income if that helps.

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Omar Farouk

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Another option is to have your friend open an account at your bank. My credit union gives me access to the first $500 of any check immediately, and the rest clears in 1-2 days max. Much better than dealing with this tax confusion.

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Chloe Martin

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Not all banks have the same policies though. Some online banks are great about quick funds availability while others are terrible. Probably depends on your account history and credit score too.

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I've been in a similar situation helping my sister with her checks from her part-time job. What really helped me was keeping simple records of these transactions - just a note in my phone showing the date, check amount, and that I gave her the full cash amount. From everything I've researched and the responses here, you're definitely not creating taxable income for yourself since you're not keeping any of the money. The IRS looks at economic substance, not just which account money flows through temporarily. One practical tip: if your friend's bank is consistently putting long holds on his paychecks, he might want to ask his employer about direct deposit. Most payroll companies can set that up pretty quickly, and it would eliminate the whole check-cashing issue entirely. Direct deposits usually clear much faster than paper checks.

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Great advice from everyone here! I went through this exact situation when I first got my real estate license. Just to add a few practical tips based on my experience: 1. Create a dedicated folder (physical or digital) for ALL settlement statements - these are your proof of income even without 1099s 2. Set up quarterly estimated tax payments right away since no taxes are being withheld - this saved me from a big penalty at year-end 3. Consider opening a separate business bank account for your real estate activities to keep everything organized One thing I wish I'd known earlier - even though the amounts seem small now ($8,500), the self-employment tax (15.3%) adds up quickly. On top of regular income tax, you'll owe about $1,300 just in SE tax on that amount. Also, since you're flipping properties AND she's earning commissions, make sure you're clear on which income is which. Commission income goes on Schedule C, but income from property flips might be reported differently depending on whether it's considered dealer vs investor activity. The IRS looks at frequency and intent when making this determination. Keep detailed records from day one - it'll save you headaches later as your business grows!

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about self-employment tax! I hadn't really thought through that we'd owe an additional 15.3% on top of regular income tax. That definitely changes the math on what we need to set aside. The quarterly estimated payments tip is gold - I can see how easy it would be to get hit with penalties if we wait until the end of the year. Do you have any rule of thumb for what percentage of each commission check we should set aside for taxes? Also really appreciate the clarification on commission income vs property flip income. We definitely need to be careful about keeping those separate since the tax treatment is different. Right now we're treating her commission work as separate from our property business, but good to know the IRS looks at frequency and intent for the flipping side.

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For setting aside taxes on commission income, I typically recommend saving 25-30% of each commission check. This covers federal income tax, state tax (if applicable), and the 15.3% self-employment tax. It's better to save too much than get caught short! For quarterly payments, you'll want to calculate based on your total expected income for the year (both regular W-2 income and self-employment). The IRS wants you to pay either 90% of this year's tax liability or 100% of last year's (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k). One more tip - since you're both flipping properties AND your wife is earning commissions, consider whether it makes sense to elect to treat the real estate commissions as part of your existing property business rather than a separate Schedule C. Sometimes consolidating can simplify things, but you'd want to run this by a tax pro since it depends on your specific situation. Also, don't forget about the QBI deduction (Section 199A) - as self-employed individuals, you might be able to deduct up to 20% of your qualified business income, which can provide significant tax savings!

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This is really comprehensive advice! The 25-30% rule makes sense - better to be safe than sorry when tax time comes around. I'm curious about the QBI deduction you mentioned - is that something that applies automatically or do we need to specifically elect it? And are there income limits we need to be aware of? Also, regarding consolidating the commission income with our property flipping business - what are the main factors we should consider when deciding whether to keep them separate vs. combine them? I'm thinking it might be cleaner to keep them separate since they're really different types of activities, but I'd love to hear more about the pros and cons. Thanks for all the detailed guidance - this community has been incredibly helpful for navigating this new territory!

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GalaxyGlider

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This is such a common confusion for restaurant owners! I made the same mistake in my first year running a diner - tried to claim both the deduction AND the credit for the same FICA taxes on tips. My CPA caught it during our year-end review and explained that the IRS specifically prohibits this double-dipping. What helped me understand it better: think of it as choosing between getting $1 off your tax bill (credit) versus reducing your taxable income by $1 (deduction). The credit is almost always more valuable since it's a direct reduction in what you owe, while the deduction only saves you money based on your tax bracket. One tip that saved me headaches - I now track all our tip-related FICA taxes in a separate spreadsheet throughout the year so I can easily calculate the maximum credit available when tax time comes. Makes the whole Form 8846 process much smoother!

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Natalie Khan

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That's a really smart approach with the separate spreadsheet! I'm just starting to deal with this as a new restaurant owner and I'm wondering - do you track the tips by employee or just the total FICA taxes paid? Also, have you found any good templates or formats that work well for organizing this data throughout the year?

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Great question about Form 8846! As others have confirmed, you definitely cannot claim both the deduction and the credit for the same FICA taxes - that would be double-dipping and is specifically prohibited by IRS rules. Here's what I'd recommend: calculate both scenarios to see which gives you the bigger tax benefit. The credit on Form 8846 reduces your tax liability dollar-for-dollar, while the deduction only reduces your taxable income. In most cases, the credit will save you more money, especially if you're in a lower tax bracket. One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're only claiming the employer portion of FICA taxes on tips, not the employee portion. The credit is specifically for the 7.65% you pay as the employer (Social Security and Medicare taxes), not what your employees pay. Also, double-check that your restaurant qualifies - the business needs to be in the food and beverage industry where tipping is customary. Given that you mentioned running a restaurant, you should be good there. With $8,700 in eligible FICA taxes, this credit could provide significant tax savings, so it's definitely worth claiming correctly!

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