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Something nobody mentioned is that you can do multiple backdoor Roth conversions in a year. If you do manage to get your trad IRA emptied out via the reverse rollover to your 401k, you could potentially do another backdoor Roth with additional non-deductible contributions up to the annual limit! I do this quarterly instead of all at once, and it's totally fine with the IRS.

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Wait, really? I thought the $7000 was the total annual limit for IRA contributions? So I couldn't contribute more than that across all my IRAs in a calendar year, right? Or am I misunderstanding what you're suggesting?

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You're absolutely right about the $7000 limit - that's the maximum you can contribute to all your IRAs combined for the year if you're under 50. What I meant was that you can split that $7000 into multiple conversions rather than doing it all at once. So instead of contributing $7000 to a Traditional IRA and converting it to Roth all in January, you could do $1750 each quarter if you wanted to. The annual limit remains the same, but the frequency of conversions is flexible. Sorry for any confusion!

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Has anyone dealt with the paperwork for this? My accountant says there's a form 8606 I need to fill out for the backdoor Roth even if I fix the pro rata issue by year-end. Is that right?

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Thanks for clarifying! Does TurboTax handle this form correctly or should I be looking for a tax pro who specifically knows about backdoor Roths?

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Mae Bennett

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TurboTax does handle Form 8606 pretty well, but you need to be careful about how you enter the information. The software will walk you through it, but make sure you accurately report the timing of your contributions and conversions. If you successfully do the reverse rollover to eliminate your Traditional IRA balance by Dec 31, you'll want to make sure TurboTax knows your IRA balance was $0 at year-end - that's the key input that determines whether pro rata applies. That said, if your situation gets complicated (like if you have multiple conversions, earnings between contribution and conversion, or other IRA activity), it might be worth having a tax pro review it at least for the first year you do this. Once you understand how it works, TurboTax should be fine for future years.

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Lucy Lam

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Just wanted to share my recent experience with the W-7 process since I see a lot of helpful advice here! My husband needed an ITIN and we were really stressed about the whole thing. We ended up going the TAC route that Anastasia mentioned - definitely call ahead because they're booking appointments weeks out. The agent there was super helpful and caught a mistake we would have made on the form (we almost checked the wrong box for his reason code). One thing I didn't see mentioned - if your spouse has any previous U.S. tax history or SSN applications that were denied, make sure to bring documentation of that. The IRS agent told us it helps speed up their background verification process. The whole appointment took about 45 minutes, and we walked out knowing our application was complete and correct. Got the ITIN in about 6 weeks. Way less stressful than wondering if we mailed the right stuff!

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Liv Park

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This is really helpful! I'm curious - did you have to bring any specific documents about previous SSN application denials? My wife applied for an SSN years ago when she first came to the US but was denied because she wasn't authorized to work at the time. I'm wondering if we need to dig up that old paperwork or if the IRS can just look it up in their system. Also, thanks for mentioning the appointment time - 45 minutes seems totally reasonable compared to the stress of potentially having to resubmit everything by mail!

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I went through this exact situation two years ago when I got married to someone who needed an ITIN. The confusion around the W-7 form is totally understandable - the instructions are written in classic IRS bureaucrat-speak! Here's what worked for us: We filed "Married Filing Jointly" and attached the W-7 form directly with our tax return. You'll need to write "ITIN TO BE REQUESTED" in the space where her SSN would go on your 1040. A few key things that helped us avoid delays: - Make absolutely sure you check box "e" on the W-7 (spouse of US citizen/resident), NOT box "d" - Include a copy of your marriage certificate as supporting documentation - If mailing, use certified mail with tracking - these documents are too important to send regular mail The processing time was about 9 weeks for us, but we got both our tax refund and the ITIN. You can definitely file your taxes while the ITIN application is pending - just be prepared for the longer processing time. Good luck! Tax season stress with immigration paperwork is no joke, but you've got this!

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KylieRose

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This is incredibly frustrating but unfortunately becoming more common. I went through the exact same thing earlier this year - got a 12C letter that was completely blank where it should have specified what they needed. After multiple calls and a visit to my local Taxpayer Assistance Center, I found out they were questioning my student loan interest deduction even though the letter gave zero indication of this. Here's what finally worked for me: I gathered EVERY single document related to my tax return (W-2s, 1099s, receipts for deductions, etc.) and sent copies via certified mail with a cover letter explaining I received a defective 12C letter. I also included a copy of the blank letter itself. Within 3 weeks my refund was processed. The IRS representative at the TAC told me this is a known issue with their letter generation system and they're working on it, but in the meantime we're stuck dealing with these useless letters. Definitely try to get to a TAC in person if possible - they can actually see your full file and tell you specifically what's being questioned, unlike the phone agents who seem to have limited access. Don't give up! Your refund is coming, it's just going to take some persistence to get through their broken system.

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This is such a comprehensive response, thank you! I'm definitely going to try the certified mail approach with all my documents and a cover letter explaining the defective letter situation. It's reassuring to know that others have successfully resolved this even though the process is so frustrating. I'll also try to get an appointment at my local TAC. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience - it gives me hope that I'll actually get my refund eventually!

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Chloe Davis

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I'm dealing with this exact same nightmare right now! Got my blank 12C letter three weeks ago and have been going in circles with the IRS ever since. Based on what everyone's sharing here, it sounds like this is a widespread system glitch that's affecting tons of people. I'm going to try the approach several people mentioned - calling and specifically asking for the Income Verification department, and if that doesn't work, I'll make an appointment at my local Taxpayer Assistance Center. The idea of sending everything via certified mail with a cover letter explaining the defective letter also sounds like a solid backup plan. It's so frustrating that we have to become detectives just to figure out what our own government wants from us. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's oddly comforting to know I'm not alone in this mess, even though none of us should have to deal with it in the first place. Has anyone had success with checking their online transcript to find clues about what's being questioned? I'm wondering if that might give me a head start before I spend hours on hold again.

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Maya, you're definitely not alone in this situation! The good news is that you're being proactive about fixing it. Based on what others have shared here, you should still be able to amend your 2019 return, though time may be getting tight depending on when you originally filed. For your $8,400 in freelance income, you'll need Form 1040-X to amend, plus Schedule C for the business income and Schedule SE for self-employment tax (which will be around 15.3% of your net earnings). Don't forget that you can also deduct legitimate business expenses from that freelance work - things like software subscriptions, equipment, even a portion of your home if you had a dedicated workspace. The key is to file as soon as possible. Since you're voluntarily coming forward, you have a much better chance of getting penalties reduced or waived, especially if you have a clean tax history. The IRS tends to be more lenient with people who self-report mistakes rather than those they catch through audits or matching programs. Keep all your payment records and any receipts for business expenses. The fact that you found these records while cleaning shows you weren't trying to hide anything - just document that timeline in case they ask. You've got this!

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This is such great comprehensive advice, Freya! I just wanted to add that Maya should also check if any of her freelance clients issued 1099s for that work. If they did, the IRS probably already has those records in their system and might eventually match them to her return anyway. Getting ahead of it now is definitely the smart move. Also, Maya - when you calculate your Schedule SE tax, remember it's on your net earnings after business deductions, not the full $8,400. So definitely gather up those business expense records that Hunter mentioned. Every legitimate deduction helps reduce what you'll owe!

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Maya, I went through almost the exact same situation last year with my 2020 return! I had forgotten about some consulting income and was terrified about the consequences. Here's what I learned from the experience: First, breathe - you're doing the right thing by coming forward voluntarily. The IRS really does treat self-disclosure much more favorably than when they catch unreported income through their matching systems. For your situation, you'll definitely need Form 1040-X, Schedule C for the freelance income, and Schedule SE for self-employment tax. But here's something important that others touched on - make sure you're calculating your NET earnings for the SE tax, not the gross $8,400. Any legitimate business expenses you had (software, equipment, even mileage to client meetings) can reduce that amount. I ended up owing about $1,800 in additional tax plus interest, but I successfully got the penalties waived through first-time abatement. The key was explaining in my cover letter that it was an honest oversight, not intentional tax avoidance. One practical tip: gather your documentation now while you're motivated. I procrastinated for months out of anxiety, which just made the interest accrue longer. The sooner you file the amendment, the sooner the interest stops growing. You've got this! The hardest part is realizing the mistake - fixing it is actually pretty straightforward.

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Liam Cortez

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I went through this exact same nightmare last year! My tax preparer claimed she filed my extension but the IRS had no record of it. Here's what worked for me: 1. **Get everything in writing from your preparer** - Ask for a detailed timeline of when she claims to have filed, what confirmation she received, and any reference numbers. That screenshot might be helpful even if you doubt it. 2. **Request your IRS transcript immediately** - File Form 4506-T or get it online through IRS.gov. This will show exactly what the IRS has on file for you and can definitively prove whether an extension was filed or not. 3. **For Form 843, focus on reasonable cause** - In Part II, emphasize that you hired a licensed professional specifically to handle this filing requirement and reasonably relied on their expertise. Include copies of your contract/agreement showing you paid them to file the extension. 4. **Document your good faith effort** - Include evidence that you provided all necessary information to your preparer well before the deadline and that filing the extension was explicitly part of their service. The IRS is generally sympathetic when taxpayers can show they made good faith efforts to comply by hiring professionals. Just make sure your Form 843 tells a clear story of reasonable reliance on professional advice. Also, definitely pursue getting reimbursed by your preparer - most carry professional liability insurance for exactly these situations!

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This is such helpful advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to request that IRS transcript first thing tomorrow - that's something I hadn't even thought of but it makes total sense to get the official record of what they actually have on file. The point about documenting our good faith effort is really important too. We actually have emails showing we gave our preparer all our documents back in February, well before the deadline, and her service agreement does specifically mention filing extensions when needed. I'm feeling much more confident about tackling this Form 843 now. Did you have any trouble getting your preparer to reimburse you for the penalties, or did they cooperate once you mentioned their professional liability insurance?

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - tax preparer mistakes are incredibly frustrating! I went through something similar a few years ago and learned some hard lessons. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: when you're preparing your Form 843, make sure to include a timeline of events in your reasonable cause explanation. Show exactly when you hired the preparer, when you provided all necessary documents, when the extension was supposed to be filed, and when you first discovered the problem. The IRS likes to see that you acted promptly once you became aware of the issue. Since you just found out about this last week, make sure to emphasize that you're filing the abatement request immediately upon discovering the problem. Also, if your preparer is enrolled with the IRS (has a PTIN number), you can look up their credentials on the IRS directory. This can be useful documentation to include showing that you reasonably relied on a properly credentialed professional. One last tip - if your Form 843 gets denied initially, don't give up! You can request a supervisory review or file an appeal. Sometimes it just takes getting in front of the right person who understands the situation better. Good luck with this mess - I hope you get it resolved quickly!

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