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2 This might be a dumb question but do I need to make quarterly estimated payments on self-employment tax too or just on income tax?

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12 Not a dumb question at all! Your quarterly estimated payments should include BOTH income tax AND self-employment tax. The IRS doesn't separate them for estimated payments - they just want you to pay the total tax you expect to owe throughout the year.

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Amara Okafor

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Just to add another perspective - I've been self-employed for about 5 years now and this confusion about SE tax vs income tax trips up almost everyone in their first year. One thing that really helped me was setting up a separate savings account specifically for taxes and automatically transferring about 30% of every payment I receive. This covers both the self-employment tax (around 14% after the deduction for the employer portion) plus income tax. It's better to overestimate and get a refund than to be short come tax time. Also, don't forget that you can deduct half of your self-employment tax when calculating your income tax - it's like getting back the "employer portion" since you're paying both sides as a self-employed person. The tax software handles this automatically but it's good to understand why your taxable income gets reduced.

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Cynthia Love

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Don't forget there are different rules depending on your business structure! If you're an S-corp and you own more than 2% of the company, the rules for health insurance deductions work differently than what everyone's discussing here. For 2%+ S-corp shareholders, the company can pay the premiums but they have to be included in your W-2 as wages (Box 1), but then you can take the self-employed health insurance deduction on your personal return. Just wanted to throw that out there because I got audited last year for doing this wrong!

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I'm a 100% owner of an S-corp and totally confused about this. So if my S-corp pays my health insurance premiums, that amount gets added to my W-2 income first, and then I deduct it on my personal return? Does that actually save any money compared to just paying it personally?

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Cynthia Love

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Yes, that's exactly right for S-corp owners with >2% ownership. The premiums get reported as wages on your W-2 (which means they're subject to income tax but NOT employment taxes like Social Security and Medicare), and then you take the self-employed health insurance deduction on your personal 1040. It does actually save money compared to paying personally because when the S-corp pays it, those premiums avoid the 15.3% self-employment tax. If you paid it personally from distributions, you wouldn't get that tax advantage. It's a bit of a paperwork runaround but it's perfectly legal and saves money!

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Rosie Harper

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Quick tip for anyone offering health insurance - make sure you're filing Form 1095-B/1095-C as required for ACA compliance if you have the right number of employees! The rules about which employers need to file these forms are super confusing but the penalties for not filing are brutal. My company got hit with a $3,200 penalty last year because I didn't know we needed to file these!

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Thanks for mentioning this! I totally forgot about the ACA reporting requirements. Do you know what the employee threshold is for when these forms become mandatory? I have 8 full-time employees currently.

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Ana Rusula

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@Edward McBride The threshold for ACA reporting requirements is actually pretty complex. Generally, employers with 50+ full-time equivalent employees need to file Form 1095-C. With 8 employees, you re'likely below the threshold unless some are part-time since (part-timers count as fractions toward the 50 FTE limit .)However, there are also rules about self-insured plans that can trigger filing requirements regardless of size. I d'definitely double-check with your accountant when they re'back from vacation - the penalties are no joke and the rules change frequently!

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Aaron Boston

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Your dad's situation is definitely fixable, but time is critical here. I agree with the advice to apply for Social Security immediately - don't wait for the tax situation to be resolved first. The SSA can work with his earnings record that employers have been reporting all these years. For the tax side, start by requesting wage and income transcripts from the IRS for all the unfiled years. You can do this online at irs.gov or by calling them (though as others mentioned, getting through can be challenging). These transcripts will show what income was reported by his employers and any taxes withheld. Since he had taxes withheld from his paychecks, he likely doesn't owe anything and may even be due refunds for some years. The key is getting those last 6 years filed to bring him into compliance. Given the complexity and the urgency with his health situation, I'd strongly recommend working with a tax professional who has experience with unfiled returns - they can streamline the process and help avoid costly mistakes. The most important thing is to take action now rather than letting this drag on any longer. Both his Social Security benefits and potential tax refunds are time-sensitive.

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I went through almost the exact same situation with my father-in-law two years ago. He hadn't filed in about 18 years and was panicking about Social Security eligibility. Here's what we learned that might help: First, definitely start the Social Security application ASAP as others have mentioned - the earnings record from employers is what matters most for benefits, not tax filings. We were amazed to discover his full work history was already in their system from employer reporting. For the IRS side, we found out that since taxes were withheld from his paychecks the whole time, he actually qualified for what's called "substitute for return" status for many years where the IRS basically filed simplified returns on his behalf. This meant he wasn't in as much trouble as we feared. The real breakthrough came when we got his wage and income transcripts for all the missing years. It showed that for 4 of the years, he was actually owed refunds totaling over $3,200 (though we could only claim the ones from the last 3 years). We ended up only needing to file the last 6 years to get him current, and the whole process took about 3 months working with a tax professional who specialized in unfiled returns. The key was getting started immediately - don't let fear of the IRS paralyze you into waiting longer. Your dad's health situation makes this urgent, but it's absolutely manageable. The government actually wants people to get caught up and claim their benefits!

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Brian Downey

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I found the tax professional through the National Association of Enrolled Agents website - they have a "find a practitioner" search where you can filter for specialties like unfiled returns. I also called a few local offices and specifically asked if they had experience with multiple years of unfiled returns before booking consultations. Cost-wise, we paid about $2,800 total for preparing and filing 6 years of returns, but that included a lot of hand-holding and communication with the IRS on our behalf. It was worth every penny for the peace of mind and expertise. Some of that cost was offset by the refunds we were able to claim from the eligible years. The 3 months was mostly waiting - the actual work happened in bursts. About 2 weeks to gather all documents and transcripts, 2 weeks for the tax pro to prepare everything, then about 10 weeks for the IRS to process all the returns and send confirmation letters. We could have started the Social Security application much sooner in the process - I wish we had known that at the time. One tip: ask the tax professional upfront about their timeline and what specific steps they'll take. The good ones will give you a clear roadmap and keep you updated throughout the process. Don't go with anyone who seems vague about the process or makes promises that sound too good to be true.

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I found my tax professional through the National Association of Enrolled Agents website - they have a "find a professional" search where you can filter for specialties like unfiled returns. I also called a few local offices and specifically asked about their experience with multiple years of unfiled taxes. The one we chose had handled dozens of similar cases. Cost-wise, we paid about $2,800 total for preparing and filing 6 years of returns, but we got back over $3,200 in refunds from the eligible years, so it actually paid for itself. Many professionals will give you a free consultation to assess your situation and provide a cost estimate upfront. The 3 months was mostly waiting - once we gathered all the documents and transcripts (which took about 3 weeks), the actual preparation was maybe 2 weeks of back-and-forth with the tax pro. The rest was waiting for IRS processing and receiving the refund checks. The key is that once you file those returns, you're considered "current" even while they're still being processed. One tip: start gathering any old documents you can find (W-2s, 1099s, etc.) right now while you're looking for a professional. Even partial records help speed up the process significantly.

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Maya Lewis

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I'm a former banking operations specialist, and there may be some additional factors at play here. Chase, like most large banks, typically processes ACH transfers in batches, usually around 2-3 times per day. If the IRS transmission occurred after the final batch on 3/19, it would likely be processed the following business day. Additionally, there could possibly be a security hold if this is a new account, if the amount is significantly larger than previous deposits, or if there have been recent account changes. These holds are generally 2-3 business days but can extend to 5 business days in some circumstances.

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Lucy Taylor

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Let me clarify the process when you call Chase about a missing tax refund: 1. Call the direct deposit department (not general customer service) 2. Provide your mother-in-law's account information 3. Ask specifically about pending ACH transfers from the Treasury 4. Request information about any security holds 5. If it's been more than 3 business days, request escalation to a supervisor 6. Document the call with representative name, time, and case number if provided

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Chris Ralph

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@Lucy Taylor how does one get in touch with direct deposit dept

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! My DDD was 3/19 with Chase and I'm still waiting too. After reading all these responses, I called Chase this morning using the advice from @Lucy Taylor about calling the direct deposit department specifically. The rep told me they can see a "processing deposit" from the Treasury that should post within 24-48 hours. She said it's been in their system since 3/20 but got flagged for their standard tax refund verification process. Apparently this is happening to a lot of Chase customers with DDDs from 3/19. Really frustrating that they don't show these as pending in online banking! I'll update once it hits my account.

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Chris Ralph

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@Ethan Brown what s'the direct deposit dept #

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Has anyone used TurboSelf-Employed for handling these kinds of business loan situations? I can never figure out where to enter loan proceeds vs. payments in the software and always worry I'm doing it wrong.

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Owen Devar

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I stopped using TurboSelf-Employed because it was confusing for anything beyond basic expenses. I switched to QuickBooks Self-Employed + TurboTax bundle which handles loans much better. There's a specific section for entering business loans that doesn't affect your income calculation.

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As someone who went through a similar learning curve with my consulting business, I'd recommend getting clear on the fundamentals before making any moves. The IRS treats loan proceeds and business expenses as completely separate things. Your $65k profit is taxable income period - doesn't matter if you use it to pay off loans, buy a yacht, or stuff it under your mattress. But here's what CAN help: if you have legitimate business expenses you were planning to make anyway (equipment, software, marketing, inventory), financing those purchases can preserve your cash flow while creating deductions. The wealthy don't avoid taxes by shuffling loan payments around - they strategically time business investments and use debt to acquire income-producing or depreciable assets. Big difference between that and trying to make loan repayments count as expenses (which they're not). My advice: talk to a tax professional about legitimate business investments you could make before year-end that would qualify for Section 179 or bonus depreciation. That's where the real tax savings come from, not from loan gymnastics.

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