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This entire discussion has been absolutely invaluable! As someone who's been lurking in this community for a while but never posted, I felt compelled to jump in because I'm facing a very similar situation. My house was destroyed in a wildfire 4 years ago, and like many others here, I've been sitting on the vacant land ever since. Reading through everyone's experiences and advice has finally given me the confidence to move forward with selling. A few key takeaways that really helped clarify things for me: **Documentation is everything** - I'm going to start with the title company suggestion to get my old property tax assessments. That seems like the fastest route to get the land-to-structure ratio I need. **State tax implications matter** - I hadn't even considered this since I moved states after the fire. Definitely need to research my specific situation there. **Professional guidance is worth it** - Between the retroactive appraisal option and the various tax planning strategies mentioned (loss harvesting, timing, etc.), it's clear this is complex enough to warrant getting expert help. One question I still have: for those who successfully sold their vacant lots, how did you handle the actual real estate transaction? Did you use a regular residential agent, or is there a better approach for selling vacant land? I'm wondering if the marketing and pricing strategies are different than what I'm used to from regular home sales. Thanks again to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this community is amazing!
Welcome to the conversation! I'm new to this community too, but I've been following along and learning so much from everyone's experiences. Your question about selling vacant land is really practical - I hadn't thought about that aspect either. From what I understand, vacant land sales can be quite different from regular home sales. The buyer pool is typically smaller (investors, developers, people looking to build), so the marketing approach needs to be targeted differently. You might want to look for agents who specialize in land sales or investment properties rather than just residential agents. Pricing can be trickier too since there aren't as many comparable sales of vacant lots. The appraiser who does your retroactive appraisal for tax purposes might also be able to give you insight into current market value, which could help with pricing strategy. One thing several people mentioned earlier that might affect your sale approach - if you're considering a 1031 exchange to defer taxes, you'd need to work with an agent who understands those timelines and requirements. The 45-day identification period is pretty tight, so having everything lined up beforehand would be crucial. Good luck with moving forward on your sale! It sounds like you've got a solid plan for tackling the tax side of things.
This has been such a comprehensive and helpful discussion! As someone new to this community, I'm amazed by how much practical knowledge everyone has shared. I wanted to add one more angle that might be relevant - if you're planning to sell your vacant land and potentially buy another property, consider looking into Opportunity Zone investments. If your land sale generates a significant capital gain, you might be able to defer or even eliminate some of that tax burden by investing the proceeds in a Qualified Opportunity Fund. The Opportunity Zones program allows you to defer capital gains taxes until 2026 (or when you sell the Opportunity Zone investment, whichever comes first), and if you hold the Opportunity Zone investment for at least 10 years, any appreciation on that investment is completely tax-free. This could be particularly attractive if you were already considering investing in real estate or business ventures in designated Opportunity Zones. The investment has to be made within 180 days of the land sale, so it requires some advance planning, but the tax benefits can be substantial. Of course, like everything else discussed here, this strategy has its own complexities and isn't right for everyone. But given how much money some of you might be looking at in capital gains taxes, it could be worth exploring alongside the other strategies mentioned like 1031 exchanges and loss harvesting. Anyone have experience with Opportunity Zone investments in this type of situation?
This is a really interesting addition to all the strategies discussed! I hadn't heard of Opportunity Zone investments before, but the tax benefits sound potentially significant. The ability to defer gains until 2026 and potentially eliminate taxes on future appreciation is compelling, especially for someone looking at a large capital gain from a land sale. A couple questions about this approach: Are there restrictions on what types of Opportunity Zone investments qualify? And how does the risk profile typically compare to something like a 1031 exchange into traditional real estate? The 10-year holding period for maximum benefits is pretty long, so I'd want to understand what I'm getting into. Also, I'm curious if this could potentially be combined with some of the other strategies mentioned here - like if you could do loss harvesting on part of your gains and then use Opportunity Zone investment for the remainder? The 180-day timeline you mentioned seems manageable if you plan ahead, but it's definitely another layer of complexity to consider. Thanks for bringing this up - it's yet another example of how many different angles there are to consider when dealing with property sales after casualty losses. This whole thread has been incredibly educational for someone new to navigating these situations!
Just a heads up, if they're controlling when and how you work (scheduled shifts, supervision, etc.), you're almost certainly misclassified. Companies do this ALL THE TIME to save money. I was in the same situation with a call center job last year. After filing the SS-8 form, the IRS determined I was an employee, not a contractor. The company got hit with back taxes and penalties, and I got a nice refund check for the extra self-employment taxes I paid! Don't let them get away with it!!
Did the company retaliate against you at all for filing that form? I'm scared my employer will fire me if I challenge the classification.
That's actually a great question @Miguel Herrera. Companies can't legally retaliate against you for filing an SS-8 form - that would be considered illegal retaliation. However, if you're already concerned about job security, you might want to wait until you have another position lined up before filing, just to be safe. The IRS keeps SS-8 filings confidential initially, and the determination process can take several months. By the time your employer finds out (if they do), you'll have had time to secure your situation. Plus, if they did try to fire you for it, that would actually strengthen your case that you were misclassified since independent contractors can't be "fired" the same way employees can. @Ava Thompson - How long did it take to get your determination back from the IRS? And did you continue working there during the process?
This is exactly why I always tell people to be very careful about contractor classifications! The key thing to remember is that being classified as 1099-NEC means you're paying both the employer AND employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (15.3% total), whereas W2 employees only pay 7.65% with their employer covering the other half. Based on your description - having supervisors, following their schedule, taking calls during set shifts - you sound like you might be misclassified. True independent contractors typically have more control over how, when, and where they do their work. The good news is that if you are misclassified and can prove it through Form SS-8, you could get back thousands in overpaid self-employment taxes. The IRS looks at factors like behavioral control, financial control, and the type of relationship you have with the company. Your situation has several red flags for employee classification rather than contractor.
This is really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my employer has me on a strict schedule and I have to follow their procedures exactly, but they're paying me as a 1099 contractor. The difference in tax burden is shocking - I had no idea I was paying both portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes. One question though - if I file Form SS-8 to challenge my classification, how long does it typically take to get a response from the IRS? And do I need to wait for that determination before I can file Form 8919 to potentially reduce my current tax bill? I'm trying to figure out if there's anything I can do for this tax year or if I need to wait for next year's return.
I went through this same problem last year! Tax laws are so confusing... I used TurboTax Free Edition and it walked me through everything. Since your income is under $12k, you should qualify to file completely free. Just make sure you go directly through the IRS Free File program so you don't get upsold on paid services.
Be careful with TurboTax! They try to upsell you constantly. I recommend FreeTaxUSA instead - it's completely free for federal filing and only $15 for state. Much more straightforward.
I've been helping people with tax questions for years, and yes, you absolutely need to file. Unemployment compensation is 100% taxable income at the federal level, regardless of the amount. The $12,000 filing threshold doesn't apply when you have unemployment income - it's always reportable. The silver lining is that with your low total income ($11,230), you'll likely qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) which could actually get you money back even though you didn't have taxes withheld. The EITC is designed to help working people with low to moderate income, and your W-2 wages of $650 plus the $180 contractor work should qualify you. Also, don't forget about the standard deduction of $13,850 for 2023. Your income is actually below that threshold, so you might not owe any federal tax at all, but you still need to file to report the unemployment and claim any credits you're eligible for. I'd recommend using the IRS Free File program since your income qualifies you for completely free tax preparation software. Don't let anyone charge you for filing with your income level!
Just went through this exact process with my consulting LLC that elected S-Corp status. A few key points that might help: 1) You're absolutely right to be frustrated about the $850 fee for zero-activity returns, but unfortunately it's required. However, you can significantly reduce costs by doing some of the prep work yourself. Since you had no business activity, your Form 1120-S will basically be all zeros except for basic entity information. 2) For the EIN notification, I sent a simple letter to the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line at the Cincinnati processing center. Include your business name, EIN, date of dissolution, and a brief statement that the entity has been dissolved. Keep a copy for your records. 3) Don't forget about your state requirements - many states require a final franchise tax return even with zero activity, and some have specific dissolution tax forms. The penalties for missing these can be worse than just filing them. 4) One money-saving tip: if both LLCs are in the same state and have similar structures, see if your accountant will give you a discount for preparing both final returns together. Mine knocked off about 20% for the second entity since most of the work was duplicated. The whole process is definitely a pain for inactive businesses, but better to close them properly than deal with ongoing compliance issues down the road.
This is really helpful, especially the tip about getting a discount for multiple entities! I'm definitely going to ask my accountant about that since both LLCs have identical situations. One question about the EIN notification letter - did you send it certified mail or just regular mail? I want to make sure there's some record that the IRS received it, especially since I've heard horror stories about the IRS claiming they never got important documents. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took to get confirmation that they processed your notification, or did you just assume it went through after sending it?
I sent mine certified mail with return receipt requested - definitely worth the extra few dollars for peace of mind! The IRS doesn't typically send back a confirmation letter, but the certified mail receipt shows they received it. I also kept copies of everything (the letter, certified mail receipt, and my state dissolution documents) in one folder in case I ever need to prove I properly closed the businesses. Never got any follow-up from the IRS, which I took as a good sign. For what it's worth, I also called the IRS business line about 6 months later (using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier) just to double-check that my EIN showed as "inactive" in their system. The agent confirmed they had my notification on file and the business was properly closed in their records. Made me feel much better about the whole process.
I'm going through a similar situation right now with my small consulting LLC that I'm dissolving. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially learning that you don't actually "cancel" an EIN but just notify the IRS of the dissolution. One thing I wanted to add that might help others: if you're looking to save money on the final tax returns, consider asking your accountant if they offer a flat fee for "zero activity" final returns. I found one who charges $275 for S-Corp final returns when there's literally no business activity to report - just filling in the basic entity info and checking the "final return" box. Also, for anyone else dealing with this, make sure you check if your state has any annual report filings that need to be completed before dissolution. I almost missed my state's final annual report, which would have kept the entity technically "active" even after filing articles of dissolution. The certified mail suggestion for the EIN notification letter is spot on too - that return receipt is your proof that the IRS received your notification. Worth every penny for the peace of mind.
That's a great point about the annual reports! I completely forgot about those when I was planning my dissolution timeline. Quick question - did you have to file the final annual report before submitting the articles of dissolution, or could you do them simultaneously? I'm worried about timing this wrong and creating unnecessary complications. Also, $275 for a zero-activity final return sounds much more reasonable than the $850 quote the original poster got. Mind sharing what region you found that accountant in, or if they work remotely? I'm in a similar boat and would love to save some money on what should be a pretty straightforward filing.
Lilah Brooks
Just wanted to share my experience as someone who's been through this exact situation! I started selling digital content (similar situation to yours) about two years ago and was terrified about the tax implications. The biggest thing that helped me was realizing that from the IRS perspective, this is just self-employment income like any other side business. Whether you're selling feet pics, tutoring, or making crafts - the tax treatment is identical. Here's what I learned that might help: 1) Keep meticulous records from day one. I use a simple spreadsheet tracking every payment received and any business expenses (props, camera equipment, editing apps, etc.) 2) The alias situation is totally manageable. I've been using a stage name for two years with no issues. Just make sure you can clearly document that the income belongs to you. 3) Consider your payment platform carefully. I had to switch away from PayPal after they became problematic about content policies, even for non-explicit material. 4) Set aside 30% of earnings immediately for taxes. I put mine in a separate savings account so I'm not tempted to spend it. 5) Don't overthink the business description on tax forms. "Digital Content Creation" or "Photography Sales" works perfectly fine. The privacy concerns are valid, but remember that tax records are confidential. Future employers won't see your tax returns or know what specific products you sold to earn income. You've got this! Student loans are crushing, and there's no shame in finding creative legal ways to pay them down faster.
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Selena Bautista
ā¢This is incredibly helpful and reassuring! I'm in almost the exact same position with crushing student loans and have been paralyzed by anxiety about getting the tax stuff wrong. Your point about it being just regular self-employment income really puts things in perspective. Can I ask what you ended up switching to instead of PayPal? I'm trying to research payment platforms now and would love to know what's worked well for people in similar situations. Also, when you mention keeping records of business expenses like camera equipment - does that include things I might have already owned and am now using for this purpose, or only new purchases specifically for the business? Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It's really encouraging to hear from someone who's successfully navigated this path!
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Connor Richards
I want to emphasize something important that others have touched on but bears repeating - you absolutely need to treat this as legitimate self-employment income from day one, regardless of what you're selling. I work as a tax preparer and see people in similar situations regularly. The IRS doesn't care about the nature of your legal business - they care about accurate reporting and proper tax compliance. Here are some key points: 1) Document everything meticulously. Bank statements, payment platform records, expense receipts - keep it all organized by tax year. 2) If using an alias, maintain clear documentation linking that alias to your SSN. Screenshots of payment transfers, account statements, anything that shows the connection. 3) Open a separate bank account for business income, even if it's under your real name. This separation makes record-keeping much cleaner and shows the IRS you're treating this professionally. 4) Calculate and pay quarterly estimated taxes if you expect to owe $1,000+ annually. Use Form 1040-ES or work with a tax professional to avoid underpayment penalties. 5) Track deductible expenses: photography equipment, props, software subscriptions, portion of internet/phone bills used for business, even a portion of rent if you use part of your home exclusively for this work. The privacy concerns are understandable, but tax filings are confidential. Your Schedule C will simply show "Digital Content Creation" or similar - no one will know specifics about your products. Consider consulting with a tax professional for your first year to ensure everything is set up correctly. The peace of mind is worth the cost, especially when dealing with student loan debt stress. You're taking a proactive approach to your financial situation - that's commendable. Just make sure you're protecting yourself legally and financially from the start.
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Ravi Gupta
ā¢This is exactly the kind of professional perspective I was hoping to find! As someone completely new to self-employment taxes, I really appreciate you breaking this down so clearly. I have a couple of follow-up questions if you don't mind: When you mention using part of my home exclusively for this work - does that mean I need to have a dedicated space that's ONLY used for taking photos/managing the business? My apartment is tiny so I'm not sure I could realistically claim a home office deduction. Also, you mentioned working with a tax professional for the first year - do you think most CPAs would be comfortable helping with this type of income situation? I'm worried about judgment or them not wanting to take me on as a client because of what I'm selling. Thank you so much for the detailed advice. It's really helping me feel more confident about moving forward with proper documentation from the start rather than trying to figure it all out later!
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