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I'm in a bit of a pickle with our healthcare accounts this year. At the beginning of 2024, I enrolled in a family HSA plan and set up contributions for $8,300 since both my wife and I are on my high-deductible health insurance plan. Here's where things got complicated: My wife started a new position in July and accidentally signed up for a regular healthcare FSA through her employer (she has a no-deductible plan with them). She's already contributed about $1,500 to the FSA starting in July, and it's set to continue through the end of the 2024 tax year. I know having both an HSA and FSA simultaneously is a tax no-no. From what I've researched, there might be a few options: she could potentially convert her regular FSA to a limited-purpose FSA, or I could withdraw my HSA contributions for the second half of the year. What's the best approach here to avoid tax penalties? Has anyone dealt with something similar? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
We're in the process of selling our small business (single member LLC that's taxed as an s-corp) through what our attorney calls a Membership Interest Sale. The buyer and I have agreed on a seller financing arrangement where they'll pay 20% down (about $75k) on January 1, 2025, followed by monthly payments over the next 6 years. The loan is amortized over 9.5 years with a balloon payment at the end. Here's where I'm confused - our CPA just told us we'll owe taxes on the ENTIRE sale price ($375k) in 2025, even though we're only receiving the down payment that year! This seems crazy to me. He basically said most of the down payment will immediately go toward our tax bill. For reference, we've structured the sale as $62k for assets and $313k for goodwill, though nothing is signed yet so we could adjust that if needed. Is my CPA right about owing taxes on the full sale amount upfront? Is there any way to avoid this massive tax hit in the first year when we're only collecting a fraction of the money?
Has anyone used the election to opt out of installment sale treatment? My accountant mentioned this might be beneficial in some cases where tax rates are expected to increase significantly in future years. Curious if anyone has actual experience with this.
I actually did this when I sold my construction business in 2023. Tax rates were expected to go up, and I had some losses from another business venture that year that could offset the gain. By electing out of installment treatment, I reported all the gain in the year of sale even though I only received 30% down. Saved me about 12% overall compared to paying taxes at the higher rates over the payment period. But it's VERY situation-specific and depends on your other income, available losses, and future tax rate expectations.
Your CPA is definitely wrong about this! I went through a nearly identical situation when I sold my consulting firm last year - also structured as seller financing with a 25% down payment and installment payments over 5 years. The installment sale method is exactly what you need here. You'll only pay taxes on the payments you actually receive each year, not the full sale price upfront. For 2025, you'd only owe taxes on your $75k down payment plus whatever monthly payments you receive that year. One key thing to watch out for - make sure your interest rate meets the IRS Applicable Federal Rate minimums, otherwise they'll impute additional interest income. Also, since you mentioned this is structured as a membership interest sale of an S-corp, double-check that all parts of your sale qualify for installment treatment. Some components (like certain inventory or depreciated assets) might need to be reported differently. I'd seriously consider getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in business sales. The tax difference between reporting everything upfront versus using the installment method can be massive - we're talking tens of thousands of dollars in my case.
I'm in a bit of a bind with a Section 965(a) calculation for a client who acquired an SFC (Specified Foreign Corporation) a few years back. We've been filing Form 5471 since the acquisition, but don't have records going all the way back to the purchase date. My question is about the proper starting point for calculating the inclusion amount. Should I be using the E&P shown on the current year's Schedule J of Form 5471, or do I need to somehow reconstruct the retained earnings from when they first became an SFC and then calculate each subsequent year? (In our case, ownership is 100% so the math would be RE * 100%) I've spent hours combing through the guidance but can't find anything specifically addressing how to handle SFCs that weren't always SFCs. Any insights would be greatly appreciated since this is driving me crazy!
Has anyone run into the issue of foreign tax credits with acquired SFCs under Section 965? I'm trying to figure out if my client can claim FTCs for foreign taxes paid by the SFC before they acquired it.
Generally, no. FTCs related to Section 965 inclusions should only be available for the taxes paid during the period your client was a US shareholder. The same principle applies - if they weren't a shareholder when the taxes were paid, they can't claim the credits associated with that pre-acquisition period.
This is a great question that comes up frequently with acquired SFCs. Based on my experience with similar situations, you're on the right track focusing on the acquisition date as your starting point. For Section 965 purposes, you only need to include the accumulated post-1986 deferred foreign income that relates to the period when the entity was an SFC with respect to your client. Since your client acquired the SFC a few years back, you would start with the E&P as of the acquisition date and then calculate forward to the November 2, 2017 and December 31, 2017 measurement dates. The key is documenting your methodology clearly. I'd recommend: 1. Starting with the balance sheet/retained earnings as of acquisition date 2. Adding any E&P accumulated from acquisition through the measurement dates 3. Applying any necessary adjustments per the Section 965 regulations 4. Using the higher of the two measurement date amounts If you're missing some interim year data, focus your reconstruction efforts on getting solid numbers for those two specific measurement dates. The IRS guidance doesn't require you to have perfect monthly tracking - just reasonable support for the measurement date calculations. Make sure to keep detailed workpapers showing your approach in case of future questions!
I started freelancing back in April this year and I'm trying to figure out this whole tax situation. I keep hearing that self-employed folks have to make estimated quarterly tax payments to the IRS, which I honestly had no idea about when I started. I checked the IRS website to see what I'm supposed to do and noticed there seems to be some exceptions to the rule, but the page cut off before I could read the full details. This is my first time being self-employed and I'm making around $3,200-4,000 a month doing graphic design and digital marketing. My previous job was just a regular W-2 position where taxes were automatically taken out, so I'm completely new to this quarterly payment thing. Do I actually need to start making these payments now, or can I just wait until tax time next year? And if I do need to pay quarterly, am I already behind since I started in April? Any help would be really appreciated because I'm stressed about accidentally getting penalties!
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Form 2210! If you miss estimated payments but have a reasonable cause, you can sometimes get penalties waived by filing this form with your tax return. Valid reasons can include casualty losses, disasters, or other unusual circumstances. Also, the quarterly payment system is not actually quarters of the calendar year, which trips up a lot of new freelancers. The due dates are: - April 15 (for Jan-Mar income) - June 15 (for Apr-May income) - September 15 (for Jun-Aug income) - January 15 of the next year (for Sep-Dec income
@Brady Clean, based on your income level ($3,200-4,000/month), you'll likely owe more than $1,000 in taxes, so you would normally need to make quarterly payments. However, since you started freelancing in April, you might still be okay if you had enough tax withholding from your W-2 job earlier this year. The key is whether your total withholding from January-March covers at least 100% of what you owed in taxes last year (the "safe harbor" rule others mentioned). If it does, you're protected from penalties even if you don't make estimated payments. If you don't qualify for safe harbor, you technically should have made payments by June 15th and September 15th already. But don't stress too much - the penalties aren't catastrophic. You can still make your remaining payments (due January 15th) and minimize further penalties. My recommendation: Calculate whether you qualify for safe harbor first. If not, make a payment for the January 15th deadline and consider catching up on any missed payments. The IRS is generally reasonable about first-time situations, especially if you make a good faith effort to comply going forward.
I've been trying to figure out if there's a way to access my IP pins from previous filing years. I have my 2023 Identity Protection PIN, but I need to locate my pins from 2020 and 2021 for some documentation I'm putting together. I've called the IRS several times and been transferred around without getting any actual help. The last person I spoke with put me on hold for 25 minutes and then the call dropped. Is there any way to retrieve these old IP pins? Does the IRS keep them in their system somewhere that I can access? I've looked through my old tax paperwork but can't find the letters with the pins. Any suggestions would be appreciated because I'm getting nowhere with official channels.
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I went through this exact same frustration last year. After reading through all these responses, I think the key takeaway is that you're probably asking the wrong question. Instead of trying to recover old IP PINs (which everyone's confirmed isn't possible), focus on what you actually need those PINs to prove. If it's for verification that your returns were filed correctly, the account transcripts mentioned by several people here are definitely the way to go. I ended up requesting transcripts for the years I needed and they showed everything was processed normally. The IRS agent I finally reached (after many failed attempts) explained that seeing a clean transcript with no error codes is actually better verification than having the old PIN number itself. For future reference, I now screenshot my IP PIN letter every year and save it in multiple places - learned that lesson the hard way! The December letters are easy to lose in holiday mail.
I went through this exact same issue about six months ago and can confirm what others have said - there's no way to retrieve expired IP PINs from previous years. The IRS treats them as single-use security codes that expire after each tax year. What worked for me was requesting account transcripts for the years I needed through irs.gov/account/view-your-account-information. You can get them online instantly if you can verify your identity, or mail in Form 4506-T if you prefer. The transcripts will show if your returns were processed normally, which is usually what you actually need to prove rather than having the specific PIN numbers. I also found it helpful to search through my emails for "IP PIN" or "identity protection" - the IRS has been sending email reminders in recent years, and sometimes those contain reference numbers or confirmation that your PIN was issued. It's not the PIN itself, but it can be useful documentation. For the future, I now take a photo of my IP PIN letter as soon as it arrives in December and save it in multiple places. Learned that lesson the hard way after going through the same frustrating phone experience you described!
This is really comprehensive advice! I'm going through the exact same situation right now and your email search tip is brilliant - I hadn't thought to look there. Just searched and found several IRS notifications that at least confirm when my PINs were issued, even if they don't show the actual numbers. The instant online transcript option sounds perfect too. I've been dreading having to mail forms and wait weeks for a response. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through this process that the transcripts really do provide the verification most people need. Taking photos of the December letters is such a simple but smart solution. I'm definitely implementing that going forward - can't believe I didn't think of that before losing my paperwork! Thanks for sharing your experience and the practical steps that actually worked.
Jamal Harris
Has anyone considered the timing here? Since the wife started the FSA in July, couldn't they argue that the HSA was fine for January-June, and then became ineligible only from July onward? That way they'd only need to withdraw half the year's HSA contributions instead of all of it.
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Sean Kelly
You're absolutely right! HSA eligibility is determined month-by-month. So for the months when only the HSA existed (Jan-June), they can keep their HSA contributions prorated for those months. The monthly limit for family coverage would be $8,300 รท 12 = $691.67 per month. So they could keep approximately $4,150 in HSA contributions for those 6 months and would only need to withdraw the excess contributions for July through December.
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Anastasia Kozlov
AuthorThanks for bringing this up - that's exactly what I was thinking when I mentioned withdrawing contributions for the second half of the year. Since my wife's FSA didn't start until July, we were eligible for family HSA contributions from January through June. I think I'm going to try first to see if her employer will convert the FSA to limited-purpose, and if not, then I'll calculate the prorated amount for the first six months and withdraw the rest from my HSA before the tax deadline.
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Abby Marshall
Just be really careful about the timing of any HSA withdrawals if you go that route! I learned the hard way that excess contributions need to be withdrawn by the tax filing deadline (including extensions) to avoid the 6% excise tax penalty that applies each year the excess remains in the account. Also, since you mentioned you've already contributed $8,300 for the full year, make sure your payroll department stops any ongoing HSA contributions immediately while you sort this out. You don't want to keep adding to the problem while you're trying to fix it. One more thing - document everything! Keep records of when your wife's FSA started, any communications with HR about potential changes, and if you do need to make HSA withdrawals, keep all the paperwork from your HSA provider. You'll need this documentation for your tax return.
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