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Worth mentioning that the timing for recharacterization or removal is important. You have until your tax filing deadline INCLUDING EXTENSIONS to fix this - even if you don't actually file an extension. So for 2025 taxes (for the 2024 tax year), that gives you until October 15, 2025. But don't wait until the last minute because the financial institutions can take time to process these requests!
Does this mean that even if I file my taxes in February 2025, I still have until October 15th to fix an overcontribution from 2024?
Yes, exactly! Even if you file your taxes early in February, you still have until October 15th to correct overcontributions from the previous tax year. This is because the IRS allows corrections up to the extended deadline regardless of when you actually file. However, there's an important caveat - if you already filed your return and claimed the Roth IRA contribution on it, you'll need to file an amended return (Form 1040X) after you make the correction. So it's definitely easier to handle the recharacterization or removal before you file your taxes if possible.
Just want to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're considering the recharacterization route, make sure to factor in your state tax situation too. Some states don't allow deductions for Traditional IRA contributions, so even though you'd get the federal deduction, you might still owe state taxes on the contribution. Also, regarding your concern about potentially overcontributing for 2024 - with a MAGI of $135,000, you would have been eligible for a reduced contribution of about $4,600 (not the full $6,500). So you'll likely need to address that excess too. The good news is you can handle both years' corrections at the same time with your broker. One tip from my experience: when you call Vanguard, ask specifically for their "retirement specialists" rather than general customer service. They're much more knowledgeable about these types of contribution corrections and can walk you through exactly what forms you'll need and how it will be reported on your 1099-R.
Thanks for the state tax insight - that's something I hadn't even considered! I'm in Texas so no state income tax to worry about, but good point for others reading this. Really appreciate the tip about asking for Vanguard's retirement specialists too. I called their general line yesterday and the rep seemed unsure about some of the details. I'll definitely ask to be transferred to someone who handles these corrections regularly. One question about handling both years at once - do I need separate forms for the 2024 and 2025 corrections, or can Vanguard process them together? Want to make sure I don't mess up the paperwork side of this.
Has anyone else had trouble with their accountant understanding Section 179 for vehicle upgrades? Mine insists that once you claim the deduction on a vehicle, any future upgrades have to be depreciated normally. I'm pretty sure he's wrong based on what everyone is saying here...
Your accountant is confusing regular maintenance with capital improvements. Routine maintenance and repairs must be expensed normally, but significant upgrades that add new functionality or substantially increase the value can qualify for Section 179 separately.
I've been through this exact situation with my electrical contracting business. The key thing to understand is that each capital improvement is treated as a separate asset for Section 179 purposes. So yes, you can claim Section 179 on those truck upgrades even though you already used it for the original vehicle purchase in 2023. However, be very careful about the business use tracking. You'll need to maintain separate records for each asset - the original truck and each major upgrade. If your business use drops below 50% for any individual asset during its recovery period, you'll face recapture on that specific item. One tip that saved me a lot of headaches: take detailed photos and keep receipts for everything. The IRS will want to see that these are legitimate capital improvements that add functionality or value, not just regular maintenance. Your crane attachment and utility bed sound like they'd easily qualify, but document everything properly. Also, consider the timing carefully. With bonus depreciation dropping to 40% in 2025, you might want to accelerate some purchases into 2024 if possible to take advantage of the higher 60% rate this year.
This is really helpful advice about treating each upgrade as a separate asset. I'm curious though - when you say "recovery period," are we talking about the standard 5-year period for vehicles, or does each upgrade have its own specific recovery period based on what type of equipment it is? For example, would a crane attachment have a different recovery period than a utility bed? Also, regarding the documentation you mentioned - did the IRS ever actually ask to see those photos during an audit, or is it more about having them available just in case? I want to make sure I'm being thorough but not going overboard with record-keeping.
Quick question - does anyone know if TurboTax can handle Form 1045 for 1256 contract loss carrybacks? I've got a similar situation but on a smaller scale, and wondering if I need to hire a specialist.
Based on your situation, I'd definitely recommend going with Form 1045 for the federal refund. You're dealing with a substantial amount ($45k loss against $87k prior gains), and the faster processing time of Form 1045 will get your money back much quicker than amending your 2022 return. Since you've already amended your 2023 return to include the proper election on Form 6781, you're in good shape to proceed. Just make sure when you file the 1045 that you clearly show you're carrying back Section 1256 contract losses specifically against your 2022 Section 1256 gains, and remember the 60/40 treatment (60% long-term, 40% short-term). For state returns, you'll unfortunately need to file amended returns since states don't have Form 1045 equivalents. But getting the federal refund processed quickly through Form 1045 will at least give you some cash flow while you wait for the state amendments to process. One heads up - make sure you file the Form 1045 before December 31, 2024, since that's your deadline for 2023 losses. After that date, you'd have to go the amended return route anyway.
That's a really good point about the IRS processing timeline! I think a lot of us (myself included) get caught up in the rush to file early without realizing that getting our refunds faster isn't always the main benefit. For me, filing early is more about getting it done while I still have the mental energy and all my documents organized. By March, I'm usually procrastinating and my tax paperwork is scattered across three different drawers. Plus, if there are any issues or missing forms, there's more time to resolve them before the April deadline. But you're absolutely right that stressing about getting 1099s by January 31st vs February 15th probably doesn't make much practical difference in when we actually get our refunds processed.
I totally agree with this mindset! I used to stress myself out trying to file by the end of January, but I've realized that getting organized early is way more valuable than speed. Last year I waited until March and ended up missing a 1099-B from a small stock sale I'd completely forgotten about. Had to file an amended return which was a huge headache. Now I use the extra time in February to double-check everything and make sure I haven't missed any forms or deductions.
This is such a timely question! I'm in the exact same boat with Schwab - still waiting for my 1099-DIV forms and getting anxious about filing. After reading through all these responses, I feel much better knowing that February 17th is actually the legal deadline this year. What really resonates with me is the point about using this extra time wisely rather than stressing about the delay. I think I'm going to take this opportunity to double-check my other tax documents and maybe review some deductions I might have missed in previous years. Has anyone else found that waiting for these investment forms actually helped them be more thorough with their tax prep? Sometimes I wonder if the rush to file early actually causes us to miss things we should be claiming.
Natasha Orlova
PRO TIP: Make copies of EVERYTHING before you send it in!!! I learned this the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received my 4506-T form, even though I had mailed it. Second time around, I made copies, sent it certified mail with return receipt, AND kept the tracking number. When they tried to tell me they didn't have it again, I had proof of delivery and was able to get it resolved. Also, double-check that you've signed the form. It sounds obvious, but that's the #1 reason these get rejected.
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Javier Cruz
β’Is there any way to submit the 4506-T online instead of mailing or faxing it? Would make this whole process so much easier.
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Gael Robinson
β’You can submit Form 4506-T online through the IRS Get Transcript Online service if you can pass their identity verification process. You'll need to create an account and verify your identity using a credit card, mortgage, or auto loan account. However, not everyone can use the online system - if you can't verify your identity online (like if you don't have qualifying accounts), you'll have to mail or fax it. The online option is definitely faster when it works though - you can get your verification of non-filing letter immediately instead of waiting weeks. If the online system doesn't work for you, certified mail with return receipt is definitely the way to go like Natasha mentioned!
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Isabella Santos
Just wanted to add some clarity since I work at a financial aid office and see this confusion all the time. Everyone here is absolutely correct - you MUST use Form 4506-T (the full version) for verification of non-filing, not the EZ version. The 4506T-EZ is literally designed only for people who filed returns and need transcripts of those returns. It has no mechanism to verify non-filing because that's not what it's for. Think of it this way: how can a form designed to get copies of filed returns prove you didn't file? It can't. For financial aid purposes specifically, make sure you're checking Box 7 on Form 4506-T and clearly indicate the tax year you need verified. Also, be aware that some schools require the verification of non-filing for EVERY year you're claiming you didn't file, not just the most recent one. One more tip: if you're rushing to meet a financial aid deadline, contact your school's financial aid office. Many will accept a completed Form 4506-T as temporary documentation while you wait for the IRS response, especially if you explain the processing delays.
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