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Does anyone know if TurboTax handles Form 8949 and Schedule D correctly for loss carryovers? Last time I used it, it seemed confused by my carryover amount.
I use TurboTax Premier and it handles the capital loss carryovers correctly, but you need to pay for that higher tier. The basic version doesn't do investment stuff well. It automatically transfers your prior year carryover loss if you used TurboTax last year too.
Just wanted to add my experience since I was in almost the exact same situation last year. I had $4,200 in long-term capital losses from just 3 stock sales and was also confused about the forms. You definitely need both Form 8949 AND Schedule D - there's no way around it. Form 8949 is where you list each individual transaction with all the details (purchase date, sale date, cost basis, proceeds, etc.), and Schedule D is where you summarize everything and calculate your total loss. For your $4,500 loss, you'll deduct $3,000 against ordinary income this year and carry forward $1,500 to next year. The carryover works indefinitely until you use it all up - doesn't matter if you don't trade stocks in 2025, you can still claim that $1,500 loss. One tip: double-check that your 1099-B shows the correct cost basis. My broker had the wrong purchase date on one of mine, which would have messed up my long-term vs short-term classification. Caught it just in time!
That's a great point about double-checking the 1099-B for accuracy! I'm curious - when you found the wrong purchase date on your 1099-B, how did you handle that with the IRS? Did you just use the correct date on Form 8949 and attach a statement explaining the discrepancy, or did you have to get your broker to issue a corrected 1099-B first? I want to make sure I'm prepared in case I run into the same issue.
I think everyone's overlooking something important - doesn't this depend on whether the bar dues are required as a condition of employment? At our company, we add professional dues to W-2 income if the membership is technically optional, even if it's strongly encouraged.
That's not accurate. Working condition fringe benefits don't have to be "required" as a condition of employment. They just need to be expenses that would qualify as deductible business expenses if the employee paid them directly. For attorneys, bar dues would clearly qualify as ordinary and necessary business expenses since they're required to practice law, even if the firm doesn't explicitly state "you must be a bar member" in their employment contract (which would be redundant since you can't practice law without it anyway).
Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who handles payroll for a large firm. We've been paying bar dues directly for our attorneys for years without including them on W-2s, and we've never had any issues with IRS audits or inquiries. The key documentation we maintain is a simple policy stating that we pay for professional licenses and memberships that are necessary for employees to perform their job duties. For attorneys, this obviously includes state bar dues and any specialized bar sections relevant to their practice areas. One thing I'd suggest is to make sure your payroll system properly codes these payments so they're clearly identified as working condition fringe benefits rather than just general business expenses. This makes it easier if you ever need to demonstrate to the IRS that these weren't intended as additional compensation to the employees. Also, remember that this treatment applies to other licensed professionals too - if you have paralegals with certifications, accountants with CPA licenses, etc., the same rules generally apply to their professional dues and licensing fees.
This is really reassuring to hear from someone with actual experience handling this! I'm curious about the payroll system coding you mentioned - what specific codes or categories do you use to distinguish working condition fringe benefits from regular compensation? We're implementing a new payroll system and want to make sure we set this up correctly from the start. Also, do you handle the payments differently for partners versus associates? I know partners aren't technically employees, so I'm wondering if the treatment changes for them.
Great question about the coding! In our payroll system, we use a specific GL account code (usually something like "Professional Development - Working Condition Fringe") that's separate from regular compensation accounts. This helps during year-end reporting and makes it crystal clear these aren't taxable wages. For partners versus associates, you're absolutely right that it's different. Partners aren't employees, so the working condition fringe benefit rules don't apply to them. When we pay bar dues for partners, it's typically treated as a partnership distribution or expense reimbursement, depending on how your partnership agreement is structured. The partnership can still deduct the expense, but the tax treatment for the individual partners might be different - they should definitely consult with their tax advisor on this. For associates and other employee attorneys, the working condition fringe benefit treatment is straightforward and well-established. Just make sure your new payroll system can generate reports that separate these payments from regular wages for compliance purposes.
As a fellow artist who's navigated this exact situation, I want to share what I've learned about maximizing the value of charitable work even without the service deduction. The IRS rules are frustrating but clear - no deduction for donated time or services. However, I've found that approaching charitable work strategically has actually benefited my business more than any tax deduction could have. Here's my practical approach: **Track everything deductible:** - Art supplies used specifically for the event - Mileage (14 cents/mile for volunteer work) - Any equipment or materials left with the charity - Setup/breakdown time driving costs **Create business value:** - Ask for photo/video documentation of you working - Request inclusion in event programs with your business info - Negotiate social media mentions or tags - Use it as an opportunity to network with potential clients **Professional development angle:** - Try new techniques you wouldn't risk on paying clients - Build portfolio pieces in different styles - Document the experience for case studies For your mom's church event specifically, I'd suggest framing it as a "sponsorship" rather than donated services. Offer to sponsor the event with your artistic services in exchange for recognition as a business sponsor. This creates legitimate marketing value you can document. The $525 in services you'd normally charge ($175/hr x 3 hours) might not be deductible, but the networking opportunities and referrals from that church community could easily generate much more than $525 in future business. I've had single charity events lead to multiple paying clients worth thousands. Keep detailed records of both your out-of-pocket expenses AND the marketing value you receive. Sometimes the indirect business benefits far exceed what any tax deduction would have provided!
This is such a comprehensive and practical approach! I really appreciate how you've reframed charitable work from "trying to get tax deductions" to "strategic business development." The sponsorship framing is brilliant - it completely changes the dynamic from "free work" to legitimate business partnership. Your point about that $525 in donated services potentially generating much more through referrals really puts things in perspective. I've been so focused on the immediate tax benefit that I wasn't considering the long-term revenue potential from church community connections. I'm definitely going to try the sponsorship approach with my mom's church event. Having my business recognized as a sponsor rather than just "the volunteer artist" could make a huge difference in how people perceive my services and whether they'd consider hiring me for their own events. The documentation aspect you mentioned is something I need to get better at. Do you typically bring your own photographer to charity events, or do you work with the organization's volunteers? I want to make sure I get quality photos for portfolio and marketing use, but I also don't want to seem like I'm making the event about me instead of the cause. Thanks for sharing such actionable advice - this thread has completely changed how I'm going to approach charitable work going forward!
As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm a freelance web designer who's been donating website services to local nonprofits and had the same question about deducting my time. Reading through all these responses has been eye-opening. I especially appreciate the tax professionals explaining the "economic benefit realized vs foregone" concept - that finally makes the IRS position make sense to me, even if it's still frustrating. The strategic business development approach that several people have outlined is genius. I've been thinking about this all wrong - focusing on trying to get immediate tax benefits instead of building long-term business value through networking and portfolio development. I'm definitely going to start treating my nonprofit web projects as sponsorship opportunities rather than just donated services. The idea of asking for business recognition, testimonials, and social media mentions in exchange for my services creates legitimate marketing value that I can document. One question for the group: For digital services like web design, are there any specific expenses I should be tracking beyond the obvious software licenses and hosting costs? I work from home, so I'm wondering about things like proportional internet costs or electricity usage during the hours I'm working on charity projects. Thanks again for such a valuable discussion - this has completely changed my approach to charitable work!
Am I the only one who thinks it's fundamentally unfair that IRD gets taxed twice? Like if someone dies with a big 401k, the estate pays estate tax on the full value, then the beneficiary pays income tax when they withdraw? Even with the 691c deduction it doesn't fully offset. The govt basically gets a windfall just bc someone died. SMH.
It's not quite as bad as it seems. The estate tax exemption is $12.92 million in 2023 (and higher for 2025), so most estates don't pay ANY estate tax. Plus the 691(c) deduction is specifically designed to mitigate the double tax issue. But I agree that for large estates that do exceed the exemption, it can feel like a double-hit.
The confusion about IRD and double taxation is completely understandable - I went through the same thing when my father passed last year. What really helped me was understanding that the "double taxation" issue primarily affects larger estates that actually pay estate tax (over the $12.92 million exemption). For most people, like with your grandmother's $2,500 in post-death investment income, there likely won't be any estate tax at all. The estate reports the income on Form 1041, takes a distribution deduction when it passes to you, and you pay income tax on it via the K-1. So it's really just one layer of taxation - at your personal rate. The real IRD "double tax" scenario comes into play with things like large retirement accounts where the account value was subject to estate tax AND the withdrawals are subject to income tax. But even then, the 691(c) deduction helps offset some of that burden. One thing to watch for with your grandmother's investments - make sure to distinguish between dividends that were declared before her death (classic IRD) versus those declared after. The reporting is slightly different even though both end up on the 1041.
This is really helpful context! I'm new to dealing with estate issues and had no idea about the $12.92 million exemption - that definitely puts things in perspective for most families. One follow-up question: when you mention distinguishing between dividends declared before vs after death, how do you actually figure that out? Do the brokerage statements show declaration dates, or do you have to contact the companies directly? My grandmother had holdings in about 8 different stocks and I'm not sure how to research when each dividend was actually declared. Also, is there a difference in how these get reported on the 1041, or is it just important for classification purposes?
Chloe Taylor
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my freelance graphic design business - using my sedan for client meetings and my van for equipment transport to larger events. One thing I learned the hard way is that you need to be consistent year over year with whichever method you choose for each vehicle. I made the mistake of switching methods for my van in year two without realizing there were depreciation recapture implications when you switch FROM actual expenses TO standard mileage. Also, for anyone considering the actual expense method - don't forget about depreciation! It's often the biggest deduction component but easy to overlook. You can use either straight-line depreciation or Section 179 expensing depending on your situation. I use TaxAct's depreciation worksheet which walks you through it step by step. The key is really keeping separate, detailed records for each vehicle from day one. I use a simple spreadsheet with tabs for each vehicle and method, and it's saved me so much headache come tax time.
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Donna Cline
ā¢This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping to find! I'm completely new to business vehicle deductions and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the rules and record-keeping requirements. Your point about depreciation recapture when switching methods is something I never would have thought about. As someone just starting out, should I be planning my method choices for the long term rather than just what seems best for year one? Also, could you clarify what you mean by Section 179 expensing versus straight-line depreciation? I keep seeing these terms mentioned but don't really understand the practical difference for someone with just two vehicles. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - it's so much more helpful than trying to decipher the IRS publications on my own!
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Effie Alexander
ā¢@d95f093627ea Great point about planning long-term! Yes, you should absolutely think beyond year one when choosing your method for each vehicle. For Section 179 vs straight-line depreciation - Section 179 lets you deduct the entire cost of qualifying business equipment (including vehicles under certain weight limits) in the first year, up to annual limits. So if you buy a $30,000 business vehicle, you could potentially deduct the full amount immediately rather than spreading it over several years. Straight-line depreciation spreads the cost over the vehicle's "useful life" (typically 5 years for cars). So that same $30,000 vehicle would give you roughly $6,000 in depreciation deductions each year for 5 years. Section 179 gives you a bigger upfront tax benefit but means smaller deductions in future years. It's especially beneficial if you're having a high-income year and want to reduce current taxes. Just remember - if you ever switch that vehicle to standard mileage later, you'll have to "recapture" some of that depreciation as income. For someone just starting out, I'd honestly recommend talking to a tax professional for the first year to set up your system correctly. The upfront cost is worth avoiding expensive mistakes down the road!
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Isabella Santos
This is such a valuable discussion! As someone who's been through multiple IRS audits with vehicle deductions, I want to emphasize a few critical points that could save you major headaches: First, the IRS is absolutely fine with using different methods for different vehicles - I've had this confirmed directly by three different IRS agents over the years. The key is CONSISTENCY within each vehicle and SEPARATION of records. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of documenting your business use percentage calculation methodology. Don't just say "60% business use" - show HOW you calculated that. I keep a simple log showing total miles driven vs business miles for the first few months of each tax year to establish my percentage, then apply that consistently. Also, for those considering switching methods - be very careful about depreciation recapture rules if you've been using actual expenses. I learned this the expensive way when I tried to switch my delivery truck from actual to standard mileage in year 3. The IRS treated all my previous depreciation deductions as "recaptured income" and I owed taxes on it. My recommendation: pick your method wisely from the start and stick with it. Keep immaculate records regardless of which method you choose. And consider getting professional help at least for your first year to establish the proper framework - it's much cheaper than fixing mistakes later!
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Mikayla Brown
ā¢This is incredibly helpful advice, @0d6ec4f3b517! As someone just getting started with business vehicle deductions, I really appreciate you sharing your real-world audit experience. The point about documenting HOW you calculate business use percentage is something I never would have thought of - I was just planning to estimate it roughly. Your suggestion about tracking the first few months to establish a baseline percentage makes perfect sense. Quick question though - do you update that percentage annually, or do you stick with the initial calculation unless there's a significant change in how you use the vehicle? Also, your warning about depreciation recapture is exactly the kind of costly mistake I want to avoid. It sounds like once you choose actual expenses for a vehicle, you're essentially committed to that method for the life of the vehicle to avoid tax complications. Is that a fair understanding? Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed guidance - this kind of practical advice from someone who's actually been through the audit process is invaluable for newcomers like me!
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